alant Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 12 hours ago, WhizBang said: You don't get out much do you. Plus you apparantly do not understand a purge when you see one happening under your nose. The police remain an uncontrolable (and unprofessional) force. They know where too many skeletons are buried. They remain untouchable. This entire thing has been about removing the Shins from power, among other things that one cannot talk about. Nothing really HAS changed, only the names of the players. There has been some reshuffeling, but that is about all. Oh, and as for democracy, that is gone, at least for the forseeable future. Meet Prayut, your 'leader' (and I use that word VERY loosely) for the forseeable future, barring the Thai people growing some cajones and staging a mass uprising. I agree except for the bit where you say democracy has gone at least for the foreseeable future, I don't see how it returns at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Meanwhile he has shuffled the TG/RR case off his desk with aplomb. Not sure why Article 44 isn't applicable here? OK, I am sure, but just trying to point out the absurdity. Will be interesting when the names finally leak out, Defamation cases will abound no doubt. ‘Scrap court time limit on Rolls-Royce bribery case’ Anti-graft academic says evidence is conclusive in allegations against Thai Airways international and PTT. THAI AUTHORITIES should enforce the anti-money laundering law in connection with the UN-sanctioned Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to beat the statute of limitations that protects some people who took bribes in the multi-million-baht Rolls-Royce scandal, an anti-graft academic says. Sangsit Piriyarangsun, an associate professor at Rangsit University, yesterday told a seminar on corruption and national development that Thai authorities already have conclusive documentary evidence on bribery involving UK aircraft engine maker Rolls-Royce and Thai Airways International (THAI) and PTT, but no action has been taken against the individuals who received the bribes. According to Sangsit, there were 52 pages of official document concerning PTT and another 40 concerning THAI on Rolls-Royce’s illegal payment of money to win lucrative deals from the two Thai state enterprises. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30305140 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 It isn't fair, money was paid to someone to actually improve the rating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 13 hours ago, onthesoi said: The bold is simply not true, the Thai police are under more scrutiny than ever before to keep their hands clean, the days of openly bracing passersby for tea money are finished, and some very big fish have been gutted, including high ranking officials in the police, military, government and even some close to the royal family. I will just talk about the area that I am in. Tea money payments to the police have increased substantially in the past two years. Every bar, whether working legitimately or not, now has to pay money to the police just to be allowed to open without hassle. Businesses with Burmese staff are being raided and unreceipted fines paid to release the staff, followed by a monthly payment, allowing Burmese employment to continue. Legal Burmese? It doesn't matter; they find something wrong. One local business didn't pay his money as the Burmese staff member left and the next day the police arrived for a shakedown. The local underground lottery continues in full knowledge of the police who take their cut and businesses with farangs are being spied upon and should any transgression of their work permit terms (if a work permit exists) be spotted then an uncomfortable visit to the police station takes place, followed by an under the table fine and a monthly payment thereafter. None of the above is speculation. It's real. Other places may be less blatant but I bet it goes on to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) “...unfair” because it factored in the nation’s departure from democracy." What is more corrupt than stealing the government from the people who elected it? Edited January 28, 2017 by jaltsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Meanwhile he has shuffled the TG/RR case off his desk with aplomb. Not sure why Article 44 isn't applicable here? OK, I am sure, but just trying to point out the absurdity. Will be interesting when the names finally leak out, Defamation cases will abound no doubt. ‘Scrap court time limit on Rolls-Royce bribery case’ Anti-graft academic says evidence is conclusive in allegations against Thai Airways international and PTT. THAI AUTHORITIES should enforce the anti-money laundering law in connection with the UN-sanctioned Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to beat the statute of limitations that protects some people who took bribes in the multi-million-baht Rolls-Royce scandal, an anti-graft academic says. Sangsit Piriyarangsun, an associate professor at Rangsit University, yesterday told a seminar on corruption and national development that Thai authorities already have conclusive documentary evidence on bribery involving UK aircraft engine maker Rolls-Royce and Thai Airways International (THAI) and PTT, but no action has been taken against the individuals who received the bribes. According to Sangsit, there were 52 pages of official document concerning PTT and another 40 concerning THAI on Rolls-Royce’s illegal payment of money to win lucrative deals from the two Thai state enterprises. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30305140 Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyDunky58 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 As predicted by many TV members - its not fair, they don't understand us, etc.etc. The machiavellian stance of the junta government could hardly be viewed by any impartial observer as fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Of course he is right. The index is a perception of corruption it does no actually measure the level of corruption. The more you crack down on and expose corruption the higher the perception is going to go as a spotlight is shone on the issue. That said there is a great deal of corruption in Thailand on many fronts including the military who for understandable reasons want to crack down on everyone else's corruption, not their own. The police, land office bureaucrats, politicians at all levels, municipal, provincial and federal. Plenty to clean up and it will take decades. The only way to effectively change the mindset where 75% of Thais think corruption is OK, as long as it benefits them is ethics needs to be taught in school from a young age. Is it going to happen. I doubt it. But it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamini Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 16 hours ago, onthesoi said: ...the nation’s departure from democracy. A departure away from the Shinawatra family, one of the most powerful and corrupt families in Thailand. Who used public money and rice scams to buy votes and rig elections. In reality, Thailand probably has less corruption now than at any time in it's history....regardless of what some group of German beard scratchers think. The fact is that much more corruption has now come to light. Much of it was swept under the table by previous governments. The army has unearthed huge corruption on a massive scale in the land department. Taking this into account it is natural that Thailand 's place on the corruption index has sink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Of course he's complaining. As long as this is the norm....Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, Fookhaht said: Of course he's complaining. As long as this is the norm.... Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect That pretty much settles it; they couldn't find a link to the red-shirts, and the money trail has led to some "influential", "unusually wealthy" "good" people, but the statute of limitations "prevents" them from "taking action". This one will require an extra large broom, a huge carpet, along with copious amounts of white-wash and a dash of defamation suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolive Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 No matter what the ranking is.. Corruption is corruption Rich people will get richer Poor people remain as poor Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 20 hours ago, snoop1130 said: The government’s top corruption fighter Friday rejected Thailand’s fall to 101st place in a world ranking of corruption by a German anti-corruption nonprofit. Pulling a Mr. Xi on us now reject reject reject but when it comes your occupation of islands in the South China Sea it turns to respect respect respect. I sense a takeaway from the same page here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 3 hours ago, gamini said: The fact is that much more corruption has now come to light. Much of it was swept under the table by previous governments. The army has unearthed huge corruption on a massive scale in the land department. Taking this into account it is natural that Thailand 's place on the corruption index has sink I guess this is what they mean by "alternative facts"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 It is awesome to watch these guys squirm. They are like a 5 year old caught with their hand in the cookie jar, with the same nonsensical excuses given to profess their innocence. The simple fact is their argument is wrong. The 2015 CPI was based on the most part on early 2014 data, so would reflect a time when Thailand was a flawed democracy , but nonetheless still a democracy. Even if democracy numbers were part of the 2015 CPI number, those indexes would have dropped based on the coup and subsequent junta government. The 2016 CPI decrease is a result of increased corruption and decreased democracy. Given that the "stated" reason for the coup was to tackle corruption, this is a major fail for the junta government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonowl Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Well if he's unhappy about it he needs to get a big brown envelope stuffed with cash and get over to germanland and sort it out. I'm sure he considered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retiredandhappyhere Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 6 hours ago, gamini said: The fact is that much more corruption has now come to light. Much of it was swept under the table by previous governments. The army has unearthed huge corruption on a massive scale in the land department. Taking this into account it is natural that Thailand 's place on the corruption index has sink I believe that one of the major players in the "huge corruption on a massive scale in thre land department" in Phuket was arrested but was murdered in his cell before he could name any names. Hanging himself first supposedly with his socks and then with his shirt while the security cameras in the jail happened to be out of action did not sound plausible and was disputed by the hospital who effectively stated that he had been beaten to death. Has any policeman or senior official been charged in connection with this death? Things seem to have gone awfully quiet. Has the infamous abbot been arrested yet? I could go on about certain "connected" people who have been involved in road deaths and are still enjoying their freedom, but it would take too long. Many of the actions to thwart large scale corruption have been largely cosmetic and so-called investigations by the same people responsible for the crimes are a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laocowboy2 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 23 hours ago, mark131v said: Oh dear..... I think the boxhead beardies are judging on what is happening today, you know since the military liberated the population from the burden of any semblance of democracy..... Proof perfect that there is none so blind as he who refuses to see..... And who do you think trousered the RR money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said: I believe that one of the major players in the "huge corruption on a massive scale in thre land department" in Phuket was arrested but was murdered in his cell before he could name any names. Hanging himself first supposedly with his socks and then with his shirt while the security cameras in the jail happened to be out of action did not sound plausible and was disputed by the hospital who effectively stated that he had been beaten to death. Has any policeman or senior official been charged in connection with this death? Things seem to have gone awfully quiet. Has the infamous abbot been arrested yet? I could go on about certain "connected" people who have been involved in road deaths and are still enjoying their freedom, but it would take too long. Many of the actions to thwart large scale corruption have been largely cosmetic and so-called investigations by the same people responsible for the crimes are a joke. Additionally when people denouncing alledged military corruption end up in jail, key witnesses die in military jails, and the chief human trafficking investigator has fled abroad, it surely does not contributes to a good anti-corruption index.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark131v Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, laocowboy2 said: And who do you think trousered the RR money? From the way the powers that be are squirming and trying to bury the subject I think it is safe to assume it is some of the 'good people' I would not be at all surprised if a few ex generals and air force types or their hi so backer's where named though I would put good money on nothing tangible happening in the way of punishment.... Caught red handed but still nothing, damning indictment on the whole stinking cesspit and total absence of anything even vaguely resembling a moral compass..... Looking forward to the 2018 corruption index already as they do seem to be going all out to top the table in at least one subject, go Thailand!!! Edited January 28, 2017 by mark131v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 On 1/28/2017 at 9:48 AM, madmitch said: I will just talk about the area that I am in. Tea money payments to the police have increased substantially in the past two years. Every bar, whether working legitimately or not, now has to pay money to the police just to be allowed to open without hassle. Businesses with Burmese staff are being raided and unreceipted fines paid to release the staff, followed by a monthly payment, allowing Burmese employment to continue. Legal Burmese? It doesn't matter; they find something wrong. One local business didn't pay his money as the Burmese staff member left and the next day the police arrived for a shakedown. The local underground lottery continues in full knowledge of the police who take their cut and businesses with farangs are being spied upon and should any transgression of their work permit terms (if a work permit exists) be spotted then an uncomfortable visit to the police station takes place, followed by an under the table fine and a monthly payment thereafter. None of the above is speculation. It's real. Other places may be less blatant but I bet it goes on to some degree. The national English language newspaper that I'm not allowed to link to has an article on this today, specifically mentioning the area I'm referring to in the post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johpa Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 From 76th place to 101st place!?!Chaiyo....Chaiyo....Chaiyo!!!Happy Trails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocker33 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Tell him to call into Chumphon immigration office where they are still blatantly asking for an extra 3000 baht (with no reciet of course) to process visa extensions,if you don't pay you have to wait a month and you may or may not get your extension they threaten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 On January 27, 2017 at 5:39 PM, snoop1130 said: because it factored in the nation’s departure from democracy. given how corrupt, non-transparent, vindictive, and untouchable the military is, it (the drop) makes perfect sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale59 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Yeah so unfair especially when the duly elected government has been overthrown for about the 13th time in 30 years! Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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