Court confirms armed ‘men in black’ fought in 2010 riots

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

 

And what punishment has been meted out to the PAD, PDRC for closing down the city, international airports?

 

The blame should be on the people who refuse to allow the Thai people to elect their leaders because they don't like it.

 

If you followed the latest news. (few days ago in the BKK post) . the leaders of the PDRC in the latest round of protests have been ordered to pay damages.. So far the likes of Jaturporn who encouraged the burning of BKK ( a fact predating the latest protests) have still not been judged.. so much for the bias of the law. 

[smutcakes]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

If you followed the latest news. (few days ago in the BKK post) . the leaders of the PDRC in the latest round of protests have been ordered to pay damages.. So far the likes of Jaturporn who encouraged the burning of BKK ( a fact predating the latest protests) have still not been judged.. so much for the bias of the law. 

Oh yes, those pesky fines. Same fines for closing down an International Airport, have they been paid?! Amazing you can close an International airport and no criminal charges be brought. Simply amazing.

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Oh yes, those pesky fines. Same fines for closing down an International Airport, have they been paid?! Amazing you can close an International airport and no criminal charges be brought. Simply amazing.

What punishment has so far been handed out for closing the city by the red shirts.. none..... The closing down is annoying (by whoever does it)bad but the violence and advocating the burning of BKK by bringing fuel should be punished harshly with terrorism charges. 

 

But as we all know the red shirts are the most violent group.. and armed wing of PTP. Charlem himself protected them by stating there were no black-shirts. Even a blind man can see the links. Then at the latest protests by the anti government protesters he claimed he could not guarantee the safety (of course not he send his armed wing in to break the protests killing quite a few people in the process) 

 

Then you got all those people claiming the PTP being democratic.. sorry but in my book having an armed wing of terrorist doing your dirty work and killing and intimidating for you is not democratic. So yes the junta is not democratic.. but the PTP.. also not.. yea they got voted in but that is the only part of democracy they upheld.. for the rest.. nothing. 

 

 

[Black arab]

Wow thats a very interesting article bad times indeed

[craigt3365]

36 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Oh yes, those pesky fines. Same fines for closing down an International Airport, have they been paid?! Amazing you can close an International airport and no criminal charges be brought. Simply amazing.

Amazing you can illegally take property from a Buddhist temple, turn it into a golf course, and avoid any prosecution.  Thailand's failed judiciary.

 

But at least fines were applied.  Good job by the government. 

[smutcakes]

1 minute ago, craigt3365 said:

Amazing you can illegally take property from a Buddhist temple, turn it into a golf course, and avoid any prosecution.  Thailand's failed judiciary.

 

But at least fines were applied.  Good job by the government. 

The Government did not apply any fines, the courts did, unless you are saying they are one and the same? 

The fines have not been paid, and never will be. I am not quite sure why you are bringing up Alpine? Are you new to Thailand and just reading up on things?

There are hundreds of cases that could be raised, not really sure what Alpine has to do with anything.

[Wilsonandson]

10 years for terrorism and 50 years for selling 200 ecstacy tablets. My opinion on this subject. One sentence for Thai people and another for foreigners. Thankyou.

[craigt3365]

And yet some still say they don't exist.  Amazing.

[smedly]

3 hours ago, smutcakes said:

 

Okay, i would be interested to see those posts. The questions of who they are, who paid them etc still remain unanswered. And do this motley crew excuse the army of killing 90 civilians? As far as  I am aware the black shirts were largely ineffective if they were employed to actually attack people.

you could always ask the families of the soldiers that must have shot themselves and blown themselves up

 

There was never any question in my mind that the reds had heavily armed people shooting and firing grenades from behind their lines at the authorities who were trying to restore order.........................they were told to leave but instead opened fire - anyone that didn't leave had made a choice 

[sungod]

For those who claim the courts are compromised, how about the many red shirt acquittals, particularly the torching of central world, are we then to believe these who were proven innocent are in fact guilty? Do we just chose the court decisions we agree with and dismiss the others as bias?

 

I think some people are just moving up to a different level of denial.

 

 

[smutcakes]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

you could always ask the families of the soldiers that must have shot themselves and blown themselves up

 

There was never any question in my mind that the reds had heavily armed people shooting and firing grenades from behind their lines at the authorities who were trying to restore order.........................they were told to leave but instead opened fire - anyone that didn't leave had made a choice 

Funny how the army did not take a similar stance in the PDRC protests, of course the courts helpfully found that they blocking the capitals main through fares was legal!!! Simply amazing.

[robblok]

14 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Funny how the army did not take a similar stance in the PDRC protests, of course the courts helpfully found that they blocking the capitals main through fares was legal!!! Simply amazing.

They were not shooting at the army... get it.. only those violent red thugs warrants such  an response.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bXufqNWsDfI/Uq7h1Q-ghyI/AAAAAAAAH5E/MmwBmsj-xpI/s1600/red-shirt-violence-thailand.jpg

Edited February 5, 2017 by robblok

[smutcakes]

Just now, robblok said:

They were not shooting at the army... get it.. only those violent red thugs warrants such  an response.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bXufqNWsDfI/Uq7h1Q-ghyI/AAAAAAAAH5E/MmwBmsj-xpI/s1600/red-shirt-violence-thailand.jpg

wow you quote a picture which is well known to be doctored! Not the best way to make a point!

[robblok]

1 minute ago, smutcakes said:

wow you quote a picture which is well known to be doctored! Not the best way to make a point!

Proof that its doctored please...  i know of no such thing.

[smutcakes]

Just now, robblok said:

Proof that its doctored please...  i know of no such thing.

I am not a professional on such things, but i believe i read numerous posts at the time from far more knowledge than me in that field acknowledging that it was doctored.

[robblok]

Just now, smutcakes said:

I am not a professional on such things, but i believe i read numerous posts at the time from far more knowledge than me in that field acknowledging that it was doctored.

So its hearsay and you have no proof.. ok thanks. Good thing that the court convicted these red shirts to be men in black otherwise i am sure you would deny that too.

 

But the reason the army did not go after the PDRC is just that.. the reds take up arms.. kill people.. proof enough of that. 

[smutcakes]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

So its hearsay and you have no proof.. ok thanks. Good thing that the court convicted these red shirts to be men in black otherwise i am sure you would deny that too.

 

But the reason the army did not go after the PDRC is just that.. the reds take up arms.. kill people.. proof enough of that. 

Perhaps the reds have slightly more reason to be pissed off! you know that the army keep throwing out the people they voted in! And perhaps the PDRC and PAD always get what they want! They are perfectly capable of violence themselves, only they tend to get their way before violence ensues. It is clearly stated in Wikileaks that the PAD aimed to create some deaths in order to get the army to step in.

[smedly]

7 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

you could always ask the families of the soldiers that must have shot themselves and blown themselves up

 

There was never any question in my mind that the reds had heavily armed people shooting and firing grenades from behind their lines at the authorities who were trying to restore order.........................they were told to leave but instead opened fire - anyone that didn't leave had made a choice 

 

7 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Funny how the army did not take a similar stance in the PDRC protests, of course the courts helpfully found that they blocking the capitals main through fares was legal!!! Simply amazing.

are you really that stupid, you do not break up peaceful demonstrators by shooting them, I would have thought that was pretty obvious - and yes the PDRC eventually had to place armed defensive guards at their various camps because the police (under orders) were told not to interfere as innocent peaceful people were being attacked with assault rifles and grenades on a daily basis  resulting in many being murdered, the part you are not getting is that the police and in the case of 2010 - the army are tasked by the authorities to restore civil order when it breaks down - that is what they are duty bound and authorised to do in any civilised country,

 

Do you think that  if the police in the west came under lethal gun fire from a crowd of demonstrators that they would get their tasers out ? people then have a choice - remove yourself from the dead zone or become part of it

[robblok]

1 minute ago, smutcakes said:

Perhaps the reds have slightly more reason to be pissed off! you know that the army keep throwing out the people they voted in! And perhaps the PDRC and PAD always get what they want! They are perfectly capable of violence themselves, only they tend to get their way before violence ensues. It is clearly stated in Wikileaks that the PAD aimed to create some deaths in order to get the army to step in.

 

So they are capable of violence.. but don't actually become violent.. ok.. nice twisting of words. You now accept that the reds are indeed a violent faction and the yellows are not. Good we will make a convert out of you yet. 

 

You must be so pissed off you can't deny anymore that the reds are the men in black and violent. I just hope that there will be definite proof too about the kids they killed in Trad. More proof then what is already available... the reds being the black shirts certainly helps strengthen my point.  Charlem protecting them does too.. and the cheering at the redshirt meeting about what their brothers did... is proof too.. now if they get those people I wonder if you would still support your PTP with their armed wing. 

 

The picture I painted of the redshirts becomes more fact all the time. 

 

As for your wiki leaks do show me a link to that passage. (not that its proof if something is in wiki leaks). Now I can agree of course that deaths did help the army to step in. But they could also just have waited for the reds to start killing.. its what they are known for.  The PAD could just have hoped for that. 

 

Its fun how you try to justify it all you have to wiggle and wiggle more and more. 

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

 

are you really that stupid, you do not break up peaceful demonstrators by shooting them, I would have thought that was pretty obvious - and yes the PDRC eventually had to place armed defensive guards at their various camps because the police (under orders) were told not to interfere as innocent peaceful people were being attacked with assault rifles and grenades on a daily basis  resulting in many being murdered, the part you are not getting is that the police and in the case of 2010 - the army are tasked by the authorities to restore civil order when it breaks down - that is what they are duty bound and authorised to do in any civilised country,

 

Do you think that  if the police in the west came under lethal gun fire from a crowd of demonstrators that they would get their tasers out ? people then have a choice - remove yourself from the dead zone or become part of it

Your partly right.. that the red caused this themselves with their men in black.. but the temple killing was a big fault of the army. But something that would not have had to happen if not for those men in black mingling among the protesters and shooting at the army. 

 

I really do feel the army made its mistakes too, but only after they came under fire. 

[smutcakes]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

 

So they are capable of violence.. but don't actually become violent.. ok.. nice twisting of words. You now accept that the reds are indeed a violent faction and the yellows are not. Good we will make a convert out of you yet. 

 

You must be so pissed off you can't deny anymore that the reds are the men in black and violent. I just hope that there will be definite proof too about the kids they killed in Trad. More proof then what is already available... the reds being the black shirts certainly helps strengthen my point.  Charlem protecting them does too.. and the cheering at the redshirt meeting about what their brothers did... is proof too.. now if they get those people I wonder if you would still support your PTP with their armed wing. 

 

The picture I painted of the redshirts becomes more fact all the time. 

 

As for your wiki leaks do show me a link to that passage. (not that its proof if something is in wiki leaks). Now I can agree of course that deaths did help the army to step in. But they could also just have waited for the reds to start killing.. its what they are known for.  The PAD could just have hoped for that. 

 

Its fun how you try to justify it all you have to wiggle and wiggle more and more. 

Wikileaks is about as much proof as you can get. They are private internal memos between the US Ambassador and authorities in the US. They were never supposed to be public. You can look for it yourself. I am not quite sure why you are gloating, i don't think i have ever denied their were armed red shirts or men in black. Any deaths are unfortunate, perhaps if the army did their job, and did not keep kicking out Governments people would not feel the need to start mass protests and voilence.

[Jai Dee]

Let's tone the argument down a bit please.

A healthy and even heated discussion is one thing, but personal comments and calling other members stupid is not on.

Please be civil to each other.

[craigt3365]

45 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Funny how the army did not take a similar stance in the PDRC protests, of course the courts helpfully found that they blocking the capitals main through fares was legal!!! Simply amazing.

I was in several of the PDRC protest sites.  Mostly consisted of old people. LOL  Never saw a weapon, never saw a violent act.  Other than jerks who lobbed hand grenades and shot missiles at the innocent protesters.  Several of those caught doing these acts were red shirt members.

 

P.S. I'm 100% against any sort of protests like these that paralyze an entire city.  Just should not be allowed.

[smutcakes]

2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I was in several of the PDRC protest sites.  Mostly consisted of old people. LOL  Never saw a weapon, never saw a violent act.  Other than jerks who lobbed hand grenades and shot missiles at the innocent protesters.  Several of those caught doing these acts were red shirt members.

 

P.S. I'm 100% against any sort of protests like these that paralyze an entire city.  Just should not be allowed.

Well it was nice of the courts to say the PDRC protests were legal, effectively making the Government powerless to remove them. 

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I was in several of the PDRC protest sites.  Mostly consisted of old people. LOL  Never saw a weapon, never saw a violent act.  Other than jerks who lobbed hand grenades and shot missiles at the innocent protesters.  Several of those caught doing these acts were red shirt members.

 

P.S. I'm 100% against any sort of protests like these that paralyze an entire city.  Just should not be allowed.

I agree.. i am also against protests that paralyze an entire city seen too many of those here. 

[craigt3365]

6 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Well it was nice of the courts to say the PDRC protests were legal, effectively making the Government powerless to remove them. 

And it was nice the previous government let the red shirt protesters come into Bangkok unchecked.  Nothing was done to nip it in the bud.  Actually, they seemed to be helping them out. LOL

 

Both governments were wrong.  And use these mass protests to further their political agenda.  No good....

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Wikileaks is about as much proof as you can get. They are private internal memos between the US Ambassador and authorities in the US. They were never supposed to be public. You can look for it yourself. I am not quite sure why you are gloating, i don't think i have ever denied their were armed red shirts or men in black. Any deaths are unfortunate, perhaps if the army did their job, and did not keep kicking out Governments people would not feel the need to start mass protests and voilence.

Yes I know what wiki-leaks are.. but that does not make them true.. they also get their information from somewhere.. and I have not seen those wiki-leaks you are referring to or how they are worded... your the one that brings them in here.. so if they are real give me a link please. 

 

I would say the last red protest was for them to dispose of Abisith... who formed a legal new coalition. It was also at the same time Thaksins money was confiscated... coincidence .... i doubt it. 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, smutcakes said:

I don't need to read articles. I was living and saw it with my own eyes and and passed through there everyday, as well as following the news everyday.

 

But apparently you would like to read the posts which you missed! 

 

If you want to read them, then you should do your own research and look them up.

 

Or is it that you are trying to suggest because you can't remember reading them that they don't exist?

 

Craig is quite right. Many posters pretended there were no men in black including some who claimed to be there, everyday, watching events and reporting on them.

[Wilsonandson]

The men in black are Terrorists.

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But apparently you would like to read the posts which you missed! 

 

If you want to read them, then you should do your own research and look them up.

 

Or is it that you are trying to suggest because you can't remember reading them that they don't exist?

 

Craig is quite right. Many posters pretended there were no men in black including some who claimed to be there, everyday, watching events and reporting on them.

There were also members stating the men in black were army a false flag operation.. just like many stated the same about the recent murders of the peaceful anti government demonstrators. 

 

You might not be one of them but it feels good to be vindicated.