Benefits of Marriage?

[dentonian]

1. A higher standard of living than being married to most Thais.

2. Less chance the foreigner will play the field.

3. Increased face with family and friends.

[giddyup]

25 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

If working and married to a Thai the farang can jump straight to citizenship bypassing the need for PR first.

 

Or so I heard, could well be complete waffle.

You can apply for Thai citizenship if you are working in Thailand or are married with a Thai spouse and/or have a child born in Thailand.

In all cases you will also have to fulfil the following conditions to apply for Thai citizenship:

You must have lived in Thailand continuously, for at least five years before applying.

Be a permanent resident.

Be 18 years old or older and have reached legal majority in your country of origin.

Be well behaved and have a good background (criminal record; political background; involvement with illegal drugs and, in the case of Vietnamese applicants, personal behaviour will be checked).

Know the Thai language, including speaking, listening and understanding.

Be able to sing the National Anthem Sanserm Phra Baramee and pass an interview in Thai conducted by government officers.

Edited February 21, 2017 by giddyup

[Don Mega]

28 minutes ago, giddyup said:

You can apply for Thai citizenship if you are working in Thailand or are married with a Thai spouse and/or have a child born in Thailand.

In all cases you will also have to fulfil the following conditions to apply for Thai citizenship:

You must have lived in Thailand continuously, for at least five years before applying.

Be a permanent resident.

Be 18 years old or older and have reached legal majority in your country of origin.

Be well behaved and have a good background (criminal record; political background; involvement with illegal drugs and, in the case of Vietnamese applicants, personal behaviour will be checked).

Know the Thai language, including speaking, listening and understanding.

Be able to sing the National Anthem Sanserm Phra Baramee and pass an interview in Thai conducted by government officers.

Bugger, I cannot sing the  Anthem.

[4MyEgo]

4 hours ago, giddyup said:

Certainly not always a benefit to the falang. I was all set to tie the knot, been to the Aussie embassy and filled out all the paperwork only thing left was to go to the Amphur office and make it official. Then someone on this forum pointed out that I could actually lose some of my Aussie pension once Centrelink became aware that I was married. That was the end of that.

How's that ?

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

How was her "virginity" confirmed, bloody sheets hung out on the balcony for all to see, a doctor's examination, her word, what? Who decided that her parents were happily married, you? As far as diplomas, most aren't worth the paper they're written on.

What's a virgin, does it have teeth ?

[Enoon]

3 hours ago, seancbk said:

 

Are you a virgin too?   

I have very high standards (much higher than yours) but one thing I would never do is want to marry a virgin.    You need a girl who has been round the block a few times and knows how to really have fun in bed.  

 

The fact that it was 1st on the list indicates that he may be of a social/cultural background that prizes it above all else.

 

Possibly a substantially different "wavelength" to many posters.

 

 

 

Edited February 21, 2017 by Enoon

[georgemandm]

Her is my  thoughts .

The  benefits a thai gets from married to 

 A foreign is she gets a much better life , then with  a poor thai man and most thai man are not that well off .

she gets , sometimes a free home ,gold , land , car and a monthly income  which in some  cases be up to 20,000 thai bht a month.

I see more and more now then 8 years ago more thai woman are after foreign man , now with the internet and dating  sites thai woman have more  chance to meet a foreign , years ago it was mostly in thai bars or if the lady was lucky to meet a foreign at work or hotel were she would work .

 

[giddyup]

11 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

How's that ?

Because Centrelink assumes your spouse is of a working age and therefore able to contribute to your income, and until you can prove differently they can cut your pension. t least that was what I was led to believe by people that actually said this happened to them. Believe it or not, up to you.,

[4MyEgo]

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Because Centrelink assumes your spouse is of a working age and therefore able to contribute to your income, and until you can prove differently they can cut your pension. t least that was what I was led to believe by people that actually said this happened to them. Believe it or not, up to you.,

That is very interesting, because I remember my parents being on the pension, Dad being 7 years older than Mum, and I never heard of any drop in their pension amount, and Mum of course wasn't working.

 

Worth looking into it though, because I fail to see what someones wife has to do with supporting them, if you are on the pension, i.e. you have reached retirement age and are therefore entitled to a pension, most pensions are for a single pension, until the wife reaches the pension age I believe, and then it is assessed as a couple which increases the pension amount.

[giddyup]

4 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

That is very interesting, because I remember my parents being on the pension, Dad being 7 years older than Mum, and I never heard of any drop in their pension amount, and Mum of course wasn't working.

 

Worth looking into it though, because I fail to see what someones wife has to do with supporting them, if you are on the pension, i.e. you have reached retirement age and are therefore entitled to a pension, most pensions are for a single pension, until the wife reaches the pension age I believe, and then it is assessed as a couple which increases the pension amount.

Bottom line, I wasn't prepared to take a chance and rock the boat. Centrelink can be such a-holes that they look for any excuse to cut your pension. Any income that's derived, be it from Superannuation, bank interest etc. is assessed by Centrelink and your pension cut accordingly. I only receive about 50% of the full pension because I get super and bank interest.

Edited February 21, 2017 by giddyup

[Shiver]

14 hours ago, SiamBeast said:

 

1) Virginity

2) Complete family with a mother and father who are happily married

3) University diploma

 

 

Each to their own I guess.  I met a virgin with complete family and paid for her to start (not complete) University.  Although she loved me as much as I loved her, the parents *told* her to drop me and find a farang with enough money to raise the family's perception of where they stood in Thai social hierarchy.

She didn't love the guy, many of her friends said that she repeated that often, but family trumps the farang card.  She was married within 6 weeks and a little over 9 months after that she was a baby making machine.

 

Virginity I don't care much for.  I'd prefer her to have at least some experience of a normal relationship (I wouldn't date a working girl, I just mean someone who has had at least one other relationship.  Virginity wouldn't put me off, it would just mean I have my work cut out for me - basically it just doesn't score very highly on my list.

University is the curse of the poor.  They start adult life in debt and pay to be indoctrinated rather than creative free thinkers.  They could spend that time and make as much money and be debt free and skilled in a good career rather than 100K+ in debt (often goes over 200K because they can't keep up payments because they can't get a well paid job and haven't been taught how to be a self starter and build a successful business.

Anyhow, painful losses have a way of driving you, and I learned the ropes of the country a little.  I saw my weakness as not having enough money, and today (no work permit required, little command of the language, and being a foreigner to boot provides a few set backs that they are already gifted with.  It wouldn't surprise me if I had more cash worth than all of her family in cash and assets combined.  I must write and thank her some time.  Btw, one time I did see that she had a Thai copy of "Rich dad Poor dad" which impressed me.  I asked her what she thought of it.  She'd never bothered reading it.

Now with my only 2nd GF.  She was nearly orphaned when I met her, and just recently with some family member losses she is now matriarch and beholds to nobody.  She got the University loan issue which I said I won't pay back (where would the learning pain be in that?), but I'll carry the interest on it for a while if you'll work with me on setting yourself up with your own business and I'll fund the business, but I have first charge until all debts are paid and then she's her own boss, won't need me (at least I'll know she's not with me for money - not that she gets an allowance any more, we've proven that she doesn't know how to manage money yet, and when I asked she couldn't tell me how many baht were in 1 million baht.  She said University was "Website & farmiiiing and SME".  I asked her what SME means.  She doesn't know.  I asked her what ATM stands for, she doesn't know.  What she does know is to be an attentive and sensitive giver to her community, and has won the hearts of pretty much all my friends both male & female.  She does everything she possibly can to make my life easier and more pleasant which leaves me free to learn whatever interests me, and delegate any tasks that need specialist knowledge that I'm not allowed to do without a work permit.  Her needs are simple:  Enough friends to enjoy somtam and new clothes on a pretty much weekly basis (she's a bargain hunter).  She needs to give some away as they take up a lot of room.  She doesn't quite understand that part.

 

So for requirements 1-3, I guess everyone might fill in different things there, and fortunately there is lots of variety in the world.

[Stevemercer]

I'll try and explain the Aussie pension deal with an example.

 

You are single and get a pension of $100 per week. If you are married to an Australian citizen, the pair of you get the marriage pension of $160 (because 2 can supposedly live cheaper than one).

 

If you marry a non-Australian resident that person is not eligible by law for any Australian pension. However, Centrelink will still recalculate your pension based on half of the the married rate. So your new pension is $160 divided by 2 = $80 per week. Cetrelink makes the assumption that your wife is probably bringing something to the marriage. Anyway, they don't really care, they just follow the formula.

 

So, instead of a pension of $100 you now get $80 (whether or not your wife contributes anything to the marriage is irrelevant).

 

[SiamBeast]

^ Good post indeed. You seemed to have found the perfect girl, but who was from a bad family that thought about their own interests rather than their daughter's interests. I definitely agree that univetsity isn't totally needed, except if you're studying STEM programs. Majors such as political science, art, etc. are not necessary unless you have a very precise career plan that requires that major. In an utopic world, there should be limits on how much financing you can get for non-STEM programs.

 

As to how you can find out that a girl is a virgin, the answer is "you just know it". We're all adults, we know how this works.

 

On this topic, I can say that Thais marrying suitable foreigners, i.e. not a drunken bloke from Pattaya beach road, can significantly increase the perceived social status of their family. After all, Thais don't want to "marry down", for good reasons. My wife's family "tested" me a lot at the beginning, as they thought I just wanted to fool around and go back to my country. I can't blame them for that, as they're thinking about the well-being of their daughter.

 

[elgordo38]

16 hours ago, Phuket Man said:

They get to marry the man they love.

Interesting 

[elgordo38]

Introducing a trophy wife has much more appeal than the term "trophy g/f" but she has to meet certain criteria. For the sake of disclosure I have a trophy g/f

[giddyup]

49 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

I'll try and explain the Aussie pension deal with an example.

 

You are single and get a pension of $100 per week. If you are married to an Australian citizen, the pair of you get the marriage pension of $160 (because 2 can supposedly live cheaper than one).

 

If you marry a non-Australian resident that person is not eligible by law for any Australian pension. However, Centrelink will still recalculate your pension based on half of the the married rate. So your new pension is $160 divided by 2 = $80 per week. Cetrelink makes the assumption that your wife is probably bringing something to the marriage. Anyway, they don't really care, they just follow the formula.

 

So, instead of a pension of $100 you now get $80 (whether or not your wife contributes anything to the marriage is irrelevant).

 

Thanks for explaining it so clearly.

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

Bottom line, I wasn't prepared to take a chance and rock the boat. Centrelink can be such a-holes that they look for any excuse to cut your pension. Any income that's derived, be it from Superannuation, bank interest etc. is assessed by Centrelink and your pension cut accordingly. I only receive about 50% of the full pension because I get super and bank interest.

Good to know, hopefully I get to shifts the assets before I get to that stage, that and if I ever return to have to stay for the 2 year jail time.

[georgemandm]

5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Good to know, hopefully I get to shifts the assets before I get to that stage, that and if I ever return to have to stay for the 2 year jail time.

Hop by the time you get go to jail for 2 years the government stop it from leaving the country 

[elgordo38]

19 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Thanks for explaining it so clearly.

An all assuming government answer in their favor of course. 

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, Stevemercer said:

I'll try and explain the Aussie pension deal with an example.

 

You are single and get a pension of $100 per week. If you are married to an Australian citizen, the pair of you get the marriage pension of $160 (because 2 can supposedly live cheaper than one).

 

If you marry a non-Australian resident that person is not eligible by law for any Australian pension. However, Centrelink will still recalculate your pension based on half of the the married rate. So your new pension is $160 divided by 2 = $80 per week. Cetrelink makes the assumption that your wife is probably bringing something to the marriage. Anyway, they don't really care, they just follow the formula.

 

So, instead of a pension of $100 you now get $80 (whether or not your wife contributes anything to the marriage is irrelevant).

 

 

1 hour ago, giddyup said:

Because Centrelink assumes your spouse is of a working age and therefore able to contribute to your income, and until you can prove differently they can cut your pension. t least that was what I was led to believe by people that actually said this happened to them. Believe it or not, up to you.,

Yes you are both correct, see copy and pasted comments below from a website that I got off Google.

 

Jeff would like to know if he will receive a single or couples' Age Pension when he reaches Age Pension age before his wife.

Q. Jeff

I will reach the Age Pension age in four years, but my wife will not be eligible for another eight years. I know it’s complicated, but if I was eligible for a full Age Pension, would I receive a single pension - $766 (wife not working and not eligible for pension), or $577.40 as half of a couples’ pension?

A. When you reach the Age Pension age and your wife has not, you will still be assessed under the income and assets test as part of a couple, and will receive the couple's rate of Age Pension, one member eligible.

If your wife does not work and is not eligible for an Age Pension, she may be eligible for Newstart Allowance. You can find out more by visiting HumanServices.gov.au.

 

Given that you have four years until you are able to claim an Age Pension, it would be timely to consult an independent financial advisor, who can provide strategies to maximise your superannuation income and retirement funding.

 

[4MyEgo]

14 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

Hop by the time you get go to jail for 2 years the government stop it from leaving the country 

Your funny NOT, as far as the legislation states, 2 years is the STUPID requirement, perhaps by then you would have left TVF amongst other places 555

[elgordo38]

28 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Thanks for explaining it so clearly.

They call it the fickle FINGER of fate. 

[Don Mega]

19 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

Hop by the time you get go to jail for 2 years the government stop it from leaving the country 

jail = must reside in  Aus for 2 years to claim pension.

 

Are you going to poison yet another thread with your pathetic replies about stuff you have no idea about ?

Edited February 21, 2017 by Don Mega

[georgemandm]

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

Your funny NOT, as far as the legislation states, 2 years is the STUPID requirement, perhaps by then you would have left TVF amongst other places 555

It will happen for sure they will stop the  pension leave the country in the next 10 years for sure .

yes very funny,  I have no hop of living full time in the land of  smiles and for leaving TVF no way like seeing them get up set when I tell it how it is .

like it was said , if you have a young wife the australia government see it as she can work to  support you  , why,  well remember  equal opportunities that's why .. 

 

[georgemandm]

8 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

jail = must reside in  Aus for 2 years to claim pension.

 

Are you going to poison yet another thread with your pathetic replies about stuff you have no idea about ?

Go away , I know  exactly what it means .

My reply is not you get it .

 

Edited February 21, 2017 by georgemandm
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[Don Mega]

7 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

Go away , I know  exactly what it means .

My reply is not you get it .

 

Its a public forum, you make a post anyone can reply to it.

[georgemandm]

12 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Its a public forum, you make a post anyone can reply to it.

Ok no problem you can and so can I .

i know how it works the  pension system 

ok and the government will stop it from leaving Australia in the next 10 years for sure .

and thai woman get lots from a  Foreign that is why you have a thai like me .

some foreign get suck in by the thai lady and some have a great life .

as long as us as the foreign not get  manipulated into give it all we will be ok .

i not like bar woman at all and not give them the time of day , that is me and you think  different up to you .

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, georgemandm said:

Hop by the time you get go to jail for 2 years the government stop it from leaving the country 

Unlikely, they would have to stop pensions for all those already receiving them overseas. I can see pensions getting gradually reduced and the pension age increased though. Australia is going to be struggling to support it's aging population.

[georgemandm]

7 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Unlikely, they would have to stop pensions for all those already receiving them overseas. I can see pensions getting gradually reduced and the pension age increased though. Australia is going to be struggling to support it's aging population.

Yes for sure no money to pay that pension, but they will say , like they do already in some countries the country you live has to give you some of your  pension , like in Greece now . 

 

[joecoolfrog]

18 hours ago, SiamBeast said:

Correct.

 

It is true that Thai men seem to have higher standards when it comes to choosing a Thai girl. Most Thai girls who are "train wrecks" such as bargirls, single moms, ex-prostitutes, etc. know that no Thai men will marry them - but some foreign men will do. I'm married to a Thai and only had 3 criteria:

 

1) Virginity

2) Complete family with a mother and father who are happily married

3) University diploma

 

The fact that they "can cook" and "can clean" isn't absolutely required, but it sure adds up to the "perceived standard" of the girl. Note that I'm still in my 20's so older men might judge this with different criteria.

 

I'd also add that most Thai girls expect to live a better quality life (i.e. money) when they marry a foreigner. While being a foreigner doesn't always mean being richer, it is still seen as so by the Thais.

Must have been difficult for you to keep your virginity intact until marriage , kudos to you.