White House bars some news organisations from briefing

[LannaGuy]

2 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Again you are showing a complete ignorance of what free speech is.Lets take the Westboro Baptist Church? A federal court said they cannot be banned and had a right to say the bile they say under their constitutional right to free speech.

 

You mention again that the press (CNN) are lying. The "wow!" bit is that you still have not given any examples of what the lies by CNN are. Either put up or shut up. What lies have they written?

you see this is part of the problem isn't it?  anyone who disagrees with you is 'ignorant' and 'doesn't understand'  only YOU 'get it' 

 

CNN and others repeatedly put out 'statements' by 'anonymous' sources 'White House Staffers' why should we believe that?  the people they claim to be saying these things should 'put up or shut up' as you say

 

I'm not doing your research for you - just watch the panels of 100% opposers - no balance at all

 

As you're too lazy to look for yourself only yesterday CNN was reporting Trump was  'anti-media' when in fact he said he was pro-media but anti-fake news

 

 

[bangkok101]

37 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Not sure they can report on a briefing if they are not there to hear it.

 

 

whatever, you get the point, I assume?

[bubba]

19 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Can you give examples of any lies or propaganda in say the last 6 weeks that have come from CNN. By the way even if there were lies and propaganda it is still 'free speech', you seem to lack understanding of what free speech is. Anyway, back to task. To support your statement you made in the quote box, please give us examples of the lies and propaganda made by CNN.

I asked the same question myself several pages ago.

 

So far, I see posts continuing with the charge that CNN is "fake news" and lies; however, not one of those posters has stated a single substantiated case of said lies.

 

I would encourage those posters who continue to use the convenient "fake news" excuse and also charge CNN with lying to post the proof here – put up or shut up.

[MarkusAUST]

43 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

The likes of CNN are now paying the price for their scandalous reporting pre election!!!   As it should be.

Disgraceful post. Free speech is just something that passes you by isn't it?

The Founding Fathers of America would be turning in their graves to read that utter drivel you just came out with.

Here, go read the Constitution and the amendments, specifically the first one.

CNN has the right to give their views, the same as FOX has the right to give their alternative one.

It is not necessary for you to agree with any of them, BUT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY IT.

White House briefings are publicly funded, so ALL the press have a right to enter and collect what is being said.

The subsequent dissemination of their views will always be different, dependent on their political stance.

This dissemination of different views is exactly what Democracy is about. Or maybe that one passed you by too?

[SheungWan]

26 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I utterly support free speech but some of the bile coming from CNN is not 'free speech' it is lies and frankly propaganda 

 

18 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

so news outlets are free to LIE?  wow just wow

So you don't 'utterly support free speech' at all. Careful or you might be drafted as a stand-in for Mr Spicer.

[LannaGuy]

Just now, SheungWan said:

 

So you don't 'utterly support free speech' at all. Careful or you might be drafted as a stand-in for Mr Spicer.

I don't support the freedom to Lie... no I don't and inviting CNN to the White House is like inviting the fox to the hen house

[SheungWan]

2 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I don't support the freedom to Lie... no I don't and inviting CNN to the White House is like inviting the fox to the hen house

....or the BBC. Don't forget the BBC.

Edited February 25, 2017 by SheungWan

[Andaman Al]

2 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

you see this is part of the problem isn't it?  anyone who disagrees with you is 'ignorant' and 'doesn't understand'  only YOU 'get it' 

 

CNN and others repeatedly put out 'statements' by 'anonymous' sources 'White House Staffers' why should we believe that?  the people they claim to be saying these things should 'put up or shut up' as you say

 

I'm not doing your research for you - just watch the panels of 100% opposers - no balance at all

 

As you're too lazy to look for yourself only yesterday CNN was reporting Trump was  'anti-media' when in fact he said he was pro-media but anti-fake news

 

 

YOU are the one making statements that the CNN reports are lies and bile. I do not need to 'research' anything, as I cannot find anything so far that can be classed as lies or propaganda. YOU are making the claims, so consolidate your statements with some 'FACTS". I know that is a strange concept for a Trump supporter, but try it. If you want to come on here making unsubstantiated claims then in fact it is you that are guilty of the thing you are complaining about.

 

There is nothing wrong with using 'un named sources' - that is how we have the checks and balances in Government. May I remind you that throughout the birther campaign, it was Trump who tweeted that a 'reliable source' or a 'confidential source' or an 'anonymous source', gave information on Obama's lack of citizenship.  The reason Trump wants names of sources is so that he can either prosecute or sack them or both.

 

Now once again. What lies are CNN spouting that lead you to make the statement?

[bubba]

34 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I utterly support free speech but some of the bile coming from CNN is not 'free speech' it is lies and frankly propaganda 

 Can post some examples of these lies from CNN, together with substantiation that they are indeed false?

 

Tell you what...I will swap you three substantiated lies from Donald Trump in exchange. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by bubba

[LannaGuy]

2 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

YOU are the one making statements that the CNN reports are lies and bile. I do not need to 'research' anything, as I cannot find anything so far that can be classed as lies or propaganda. YOU are making the claims, so consolidate your statements with some 'FACTS". I know that is a strange concept for a Trump supporter, but try it. If you want to come on here making unsubstantiated claims then in fact it is you that are guilty of the thing you are complaining about.

 

There is nothing wrong with using 'un named sources' - that is how we have the checks and balances in Government. May I remind you that throughout the birther campaign, it was Trump who tweeted that a 'reliable source' or a 'confidential source' or an 'anonymous source', gave information on Obama's lack of citizenship.  The reason Trump wants names of sources is so that he can either prosecute or sack them or both.

 

Now once again. What lies are CNN spouting that lead you to make the statement?

an 'unnamed source familiar with the matter' told me that you have not understood that I am NOT a Trump supporter but I value truth and have already given you one example but here's another:

 

on Inauguration Day CNN claimed:

"According to Nielsen cumulative numbers, 34 million people watched CNN's inauguration day coverage on television. 34 million watched Fox News," the CNN communications account said in a tweet[.]

 

but it was a lie

 

Noon to 12:30 p.m. (oath of office and inaugural address):

CNN: 3.375 million total viewers

Fox News: 11.768 million total viewers

11 a.m. to 1 p.m.

CNN: 3.047 million total viewers

Fox News: 10.483 million total viewers

1 p.m. to 5 p.m.

CNN: 2.326 million total viewers

Fox News: 7.901 million total viewers

Primetime (8 p.m. to 11 p.m.)

CNN: 4.528 million total viewers

Fox News: 6.958 million total viewers

But don't let facts get in the way of your 'CNN is pure' story. I have no time to research more just observe their political commentaries. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by LannaGuy

[alanrchase]

I don't support the freedom to Lie... no I don't and inviting CNN to the White House is like inviting the fox to the hen house

You don't seem to care about Trump lying. Biggest win since Reagan? Lie. In Scotland the day before the Brexit vote? Lie.

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[Andaman Al]

3 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I don't support the freedom to Lie... no I don't and inviting CNN to the White House is like inviting the fox to the hen house

So it is simple. Tell us what the lies are. Surely you are clever enough to know what it is that so offends your sensitivities. What lies? You can't name any can you? You are just stomping away on your keyboard for the hell of it. You are trolling.

[darksidedog]

32 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I utterly support free speech but some of the bile coming from CNN is not 'free speech' it is lies and frankly propaganda 

Did you think that comment through at all?

CNN can say what it likes. That is free speech. You might not like what they say, or agree with it, but they are well within their rights to say what they feel.

You have the right to say what you feel. I do not agree with you.

I don't agree with much of the things I hear from FOX, who do exactly what CNN do, but from the other side of the coin.

Democracy is based upon the alternative views, being able to be publicly aired and discussed.

To suggest that any news establishment should be penalised for their views, which may not be in line with you own, is in direct conflict with the First amendment and such, illegal.

[Peterw42]

Just now, NCC1701A said:

CNN, The New York Times, Politico, The Los Angeles Times and BuzzFeed are not news organizations.

 

They are propaganda outlets for Communist/Marxist/Socialist and their long term plan to destroy America.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Fox news is the propaganda outlet for the trump administration. Glad they both have a voice. Difference is the president is answerable to the people.

[SheungWan]

3 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

an 'unnamed source familiar with the matter' told me that you have not understood that I am NOT a Trump supporter but I value truth

You mean like this one from the Donald?:

An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.

[LannaGuy]

15 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

can you provide a link to what you consider a lie from CNN with regards to Trump?  One example doesn't cut it as sometimes they do make mistakes...and followup with a correction.

 

CNN is an excellent example of free speech and is definitely not propaganda.

I actually like CNN and watch them daily but they do twist and lie for political purposes but overall I enjoy them. In my opinion they were terribly biased covering the election but who cares anyway?  Trump won because of the non-democratic system and now we have a monster who may get some things right but could well decimate so many good things too - be careful what you wish for USA

[LannaGuy]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

You mean like this one from the Donald?:

An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.

He was totally wrong to pursue that nonsense and Obama should have released it far earlier but used it to trap Trump and it worked but ultimately Obamas 'don't lose my legacy' lost the argument     

[bendejo]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

but we don't need to do everything on camera every day,

 

Sounds like two porn stars beginning a personal relationship.

 

 

[SheungWan]

2 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

He was totally wrong to pursue that nonsense and Obama should have released it far earlier but used it to trap Trump and it worked but ultimately Obamas 'don't lose my legacy' lost the argument     

The issue here is less that about Obama but rather Trump has referred to 'sources' when it suited him.

[Nickymaster]

you see this is part of the problem isn't it?  anyone who disagrees with you is 'ignorant' and 'doesn't understand'  only YOU 'get it' 

 

CNN and others repeatedly put out 'statements' by 'anonymous' sources 'White House Staffers' why should we believe that?  the people they claim to be saying these things should 'put up or shut up' as you say

 

I'm not doing your research for you - just watch the panels of 100% opposers - no balance at all

 

As you're too lazy to look for yourself only yesterday CNN was reporting Trump was  'anti-media' when in fact he said he was pro-media but anti-fake news

 

 

So you clearly can't give any examples of CNN lying. You just follow Trump's crap. Since Trump started his fake news strategy, in order for his administration to continue lying to the people, nobody has provided examples of fake news.

Trump is doing exactly the same other dictators do. Discredit the people that expose their lies. I am not too surprised this is also working in the US.

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[Peterw42]

Trump: it wasnt raining at the inauguration.

 

Fox news: we have a panel of experts who were there and didnt get wet, and a quote from a third party who says it wasnt raining.

 

CNN: here is footage of the president standing under an umbrella making a speech in the rain.

 

Next day, Trump goes on believing his own rubbish saying any reports of rain where fake, Fox news congratulates themselves for being a great news service, even quotes itself in a story about fake news, CNN get labeled as spreading fake news.

 

The ministry of truth destroyed any proof of rain, history gets rewritten, its now a thought crime to say it rained.

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, bkkfaranguy said:

I see you get your sources from ABC which is a branch of the propaganda media for the left almost like believing what comes from Fox no real facts from this source!

The weird thing is that people who make such ludicrous comments get their news from nutty websites who do nothing else than pump out an agenda of crazy stuff.

[Andaman Al]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Trump: it wasnt raining at the inauguration.

 

Fox news: we have a panel of experts who were there and didnt get wet, and a quote from a third party who says it wasnt raining.

 

CNN: here is footage of the president standing under an umbrella making a speech in the rain.

 

Next day, Trump goes on believing his own rubbish saying any reports of rain where fake, Fox news congratulates themselves for being a great news service, even quotes itself in a story about fake news, CNN get labeled as spreading fake news.

 

The ministry of truth destroyed any proof of rain, history gets rewritten, its now a thought crime to say it rained.

They also all seem to forget the Priest that stood up to give a prayer, live on TV and said that "it was a good sign for Trump that it was raining"

[Traveler19491]

3 hours ago, Dagnabbit said:

 

Those organisations are still free to write what they like. Not a single freedom was taken off them.

 

The bottom line is that when the "free press" turn themselves into political hacks, out to ouster the president, they don't really earn full access to his team.

 

Cry all you like about it.  This is not impeding the freedom of the press in any way whatsoever.

 

Your assertion fails the smell test. I wonder, had Clinton or Sanders been elected and Breitbart, FOX, and InfoWars been denied access to a meeting with the Press Secretary, or any White House staffer for that matter, what the reaction from the right would have been? The media has not, in fact, turned themselves into political hacks. Yes, I would agree that impartiality in reporting no longer exists, but that holds true for any media outlet. Where was your outrage at FOX during the Obama years? Are you really going to attempt to assert that Hannity, O'Reilly, FOX & Friends, Kelly, and all the others weren't gleefully grinding partisan axes? Were they out to ouster the President? Or were they simply reporting facts from an enormously slanted partisan viewpoint? I suggest the latter.  And that's what the mainstream media is doing with Trump. What has ticked Trump and his merry band of oafs off so severely is the fact that, instead of deferring to Trump's ongoing litany of lies, as they did during his campaign, the landscape has changed to real-time fact-checking and calling out their BS to their faces, a tactic that has infuriated Trump, Bannon, Spicer, et al. The words "Trump" and "truth" can not be used in the same sentence without struggling to keep a straight face. Trump has worked overtime at assaulting the Fourth Estate, going out of his way in his attempts to discredit them and make them irrelevant, the equivalent of sticking one's bare hand into a hornets' nest and flinging it about wildly. A huge mistake. Now he's paying the price and he doesn't like being made to look like the lying buffoon he is. His numbers are the worst of any President in history, at this point in a new administration. He can not abide the idea that he is not universally idolized, hence his wrath. What he needs to do is get a grip, start acting Presidential, open himself and his administration up to the public, give the press full access to everything he's doing, answer all questions openly and honestly, and his numbers will rise dramatically. Not that the left will like him anymore, but he would take away their ability to criticize his cowardly refusal to be open with the public.

[yardrunner]

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

I wasn't sure but I like Trump more every day.

yes he is great isnt he, blocks the free press, then spouts the alternative truth when their is no one able to dispute his version of events, sounds like a great plan

[alanrchase]

an 'unnamed source familiar with the matter' told me that you have not understood that I am NOT a Trump supporter but I value truth and have already given you one example but here's another:
 
on Inauguration Day CNN claimed:

"According to Nielsen cumulative numbers, 34 million people watched CNN's inauguration day coverage on television. 34 million watched Fox News," the CNN communications account said in a tweet[.]
 
but it was a lie
 

Noon to 12:30 p.m. (oath of office and inaugural address):

CNN: 3.375 million total viewers

Fox News: 11.768 million total viewers

11 a.m. to 1 p.m.

CNN: 3.047 million total viewers

Fox News: 10.483 million total viewers

1 p.m. to 5 p.m.

CNN: 2.326 million total viewers

Fox News: 7.901 million total viewers

Primetime (8 p.m. to 11 p.m.)

CNN: 4.528 million total viewers

Fox News: 6.958 million total viewers

But don't let facts get in the way of your 'CNN is pure' story. I have no time to research more just observe their political commentaries. 

They were correct. The important word is "cumulative ".

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[Traveler19491]

31 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

an 'unnamed source familiar with the matter' told me that you have not understood that I am NOT a Trump supporter but I value truth and have already given you one example but here's another:

 

on Inauguration Day CNN claimed:

"According to Nielsen cumulative numbers, 34 million people watched CNN's inauguration day coverage on television. 34 million watched Fox News," the CNN communications account said in a tweet[.]

 

but it was a lie

 

Noon to 12:30 p.m. (oath of office and inaugural address):

CNN: 3.375 million total viewers

Fox News: 11.768 million total viewers

11 a.m. to 1 p.m.

CNN: 3.047 million total viewers

Fox News: 10.483 million total viewers

1 p.m. to 5 p.m.

CNN: 2.326 million total viewers

Fox News: 7.901 million total viewers

Primetime (8 p.m. to 11 p.m.)

CNN: 4.528 million total viewers

Fox News: 6.958 million total viewers

But don't let facts get in the way of your 'CNN is pure' story. I have no time to research more just observe their political commentaries. 

 

And Trump said he graduated at the top of his class at Wharton (lie), that his Electoral College win was the biggest in history (lie), that his inauguration was the highest in attendance and most watched inauguration in history (lie), and that thousands of people crossed over from Massachusetts into Vermont to cast fraudulent votes (lie). On the whole, I'll take a news source overstating the number of their viewers to a President lying about stupid stuff. If he can so easily lie about the simplest of matters, lies that are easily checked, how do the American people trust him on matters of grave importance?

[Peterw42]

6 minutes ago, Traveler19491 said:

Your assertion fails the smell test. I wonder, had Clinton or Sanders been elected and Breitbart, FOX, and InfoWars been denied access to a meeting with the Press Secretary, or any White House staffer for that matter, what the reaction from the right would have been? The media has not, in fact, turned themselves into political hacks. Yes, I would agree that impartiality in reporting no longer exists, but that holds true for any media outlet. Where was your outrage at FOX during the Obama years? Are you really going to attempt to assert that Hannity, O'Reilly, FOX & Friends, Kelly, and all the others weren't gleefully grinding partisan axes? Were they out to ouster the President? Or were they simply reporting facts from an enormously slanted partisan viewpoint? I suggest the latter.  And that's what the mainstream media is doing with Trump. What has ticked Trump and his merry band of oafs off so severely is the fact that, instead of deferring to Trump's ongoing litany of lies, as they did during his campaign, the landscape has changed to real-time fact-checking and calling out their BS to their faces, a tactic that has infuriated Trump, Bannon, Spicer, et al. The words "Trump" and "truth" can not be used in the same sentence without struggling to keep a straight face. Trump has worked overtime at assaulting the Fourth Estate, going out of his way in his attempts to discredit them and make them irrelevant, the equivalent of sticking one's bare hand into a hornets' nest and flinging it about wildly. A huge mistake. Now he's paying the price and he doesn't like being made to look like the lying buffoon he is. His numbers are the worst of any President in history, at this point in a new administration. He can not abide the idea that he is not universally idolized, hence his wrath. What he needs to do is get a grip, start acting Presidential, open himself and his administration up to the public, give the press full access to everything he's doing, answer all questions openly and honestly, and his numbers will rise dramatically. Not that the left will like him anymore, but he would take away their ability to criticize his cowardly refusal to be open with the public.

Excellent post, yes most of the time criticism, questioning and contrary opinion only exist in the vacuum of no information.

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Traveler19491 said:

Your assertion fails the smell test. I wonder, had Clinton or Sanders been elected and Breitbart, FOX, and InfoWars been denied access to a meeting with the Press Secretary, or any White House staffer for that matter, what the reaction from the right would have been? The media has not, in fact, turned themselves into political hacks. Yes, I would agree that impartiality in reporting no longer exists, but that holds true for any media outlet. Where was your outrage at FOX during the Obama years? Are you really going to attempt to assert that Hannity, O'Reilly, FOX & Friends, Kelly, and all the others weren't gleefully grinding partisan axes? Were they out to ouster the President? Or were they simply reporting facts from an enormously slanted partisan viewpoint? I suggest the latter.  And that's what the mainstream media is doing with Trump. What has ticked Trump and his merry band of oafs off so severely is the fact that, instead of deferring to Trump's ongoing litany of lies, as they did during his campaign, the landscape has changed to real-time fact-checking and calling out their BS to their faces, a tactic that has infuriated Trump, Bannon, Spicer, et al. The words "Trump" and "truth" can not be used in the same sentence without struggling to keep a straight face. Trump has worked overtime at assaulting the Fourth Estate, going out of his way in his attempts to discredit them and make them irrelevant, the equivalent of sticking one's bare hand into a hornets' nest and flinging it about wildly. A huge mistake. Now he's paying the price and he doesn't like being made to look like the lying buffoon he is. His numbers are the worst of any President in history, at this point in a new administration. He can not abide the idea that he is not universally idolized, hence his wrath. What he needs to do is get a grip, start acting Presidential, open himself and his administration up to the public, give the press full access to everything he's doing, answer all questions openly and honestly, and his numbers will rise dramatically. Not that the left will like him anymore, but he would take away their ability to criticize his cowardly refusal to be open with the public.

I see major differences.

 

CNN may not be completely unbiased, but they stick to the truth. Fox and Breitbart are twisting and turning to not reveal the truth, and even spread outrisght lies.

[xylophone]

5 minutes ago, Traveler19491 said:

how do the American people trust him on matters of grave importance?

They can't, and that is the most frightening thing, because if this clown does not know the difference between lies and truth then he does not have the mental capacity to preside over a country.

 

I don't think there's ever been anyone like this in this office before and he and his rhetoric reek of that uttered by Third World dictators – – and dangerous ones at that.