xvend Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Im thankful I do not share your collective realities. A simple stamp solves all. Another Thaivisa thread thrown into the depths on whose pen signs what :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Bumrangrad Hospital did not do a blood test when I got my work permit medical certificate there last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Or Dr. Donna at Medconsult Asia. That would be the easiest and best solution. Just go see her. No need to stress about it. http://www.medconsultasia.com/ Edited March 12, 2017 by ricklev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvend Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, ricklev said: Or Dr. Donna at Medconsult Asia. That would be the easiest and best solution. Just go see her. No need to stress about it. finally, a voice of reason. It's a stamp on a piece of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john011 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Or Dr. Donna at Medconsult Asia. That would be the easiest and best solution. Just go see her. No need to stress about it. http://www.medconsultasia.com/I am close to Thong Lor area so this clinic is accessible. Thanks for the info. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john011 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 finally, a voice of reason. It's a stamp on a piece of paper.Oh the way, do you think I need to tell her honestly about my situation? Or shall I just go there and let her find it out first before I can tell the whole story? I don't know her and she doesn't know me. I don't want to appear as if I am trying to manipulate the entire situation at my benefit and at the expense of her expertise/profession.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvend Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 minute ago, john011 said: Oh the way, do you think I need to tell her honestly about my situation? Or shall I just go there and let her find it out first before I can tell the whole story? I don't know her and she doesn't know me. I don't want to appear as if I am trying to manipulate the entire situation at my benefit and at the expense of her expertise/profession. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect How are you manipulating anything by telling a receptionist you need a work permit medical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, john011 said: Oh the way, do you think I need to tell her honestly about my situation? Or shall I just go there and let her find it out first before I can tell the whole story? I don't know her and she doesn't know me. I don't want to appear as if I am trying to manipulate the entire situation at my benefit and at the expense of her expertise/profession. You can absolutely just be completely honest with her. Nothing to worry about. She will understand completely. Western doctor with a Thai medical license. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john011 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Thanks for the advice. Appreciate it so much.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docshock13 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, john011 said: Oh the way, do you think I need to tell her honestly about my situation? Or shall I just go there and let her find it out first before I can tell the whole story? I don't know her and she doesn't know me. I don't want to appear as if I am trying to manipulate the entire situation at my benefit and at the expense of her expertise/profession. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect First, get professional medical advice. It is your health and far more important than a work permit. Do not seek medical advice on a forum (i.e. prescriptions from anonymous posters) . Third, be honest with your doctor. They will tell you what is or is not possible for your situation. Go see Dr. Donna as ricklev has suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Please ignore the medical advice some have given (amoxicillin, zithromax etc). These are not the correct drugs for treating syphilis; benzathine penicillin is, which it sounds like you have started a course of. And yes, even once cured you will still have antibodies and thus test reactive to any antibody-based test. However, AFAIK it is not required that you have a syphilis blood test, only that a doctor certify that you do not have third stage syphilis (along with several other diseases). Many clinics and some hospitals do this based on physical exam, no blood test. See this thread There are indeed small clinics about that issue medical certificates in a, shall we say, loose manner, That is probably your best bet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvend Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 minute ago, docshock13 said: First, get professional medical advice. It is your health and far more important than a work permit. Do not seek medical advice on a forum (i.e. prescriptions from anonymous posters) . Third, be honest with your doctor. They will tell you what is or is not possible for your situation. Go see Dr. Donna as ricklev has suggested. you can predict the future? Please let me know your bank account info, I'd like to send a donation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docshock13 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, xvend said: you can predict the future? Please let me know your bank account info, I'd like to send a donation. Huh? I am not predicting anything. Just trying to give sound advice. I.e. don't mess your body up with antibiotic cocktails prescribed by TVF posters that are not licensed MDs. But yes, PM me and I will send my bank details. Look forward to your huge donations. I am already predicting something in your future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepinthailand Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 On a secondary note. I have no idea about your WP but advise From now on USE A DUREX. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berybert Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I caught a dose, must be well over 10 years ago now. I went for blood tests for 3rd stage syphilis which was negative, but the test did pick up I have had syphilis in the past. If you get a shot up the backside you will find yourself singing. I have never had so much pain as I did when the Doctor injected his needle up my cheek. Anyhow as someone said its 3rd stage not 1st so nothing to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Bull Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Where I get my drivers licence medical you just pay the girl 40 B and she pulls a presigned form out from under the counter and puts your name on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 There is no such thing as a "blood test for 3rd stage syphilis". The standard blood test detects only syphilis antibodies. While negative result rules out anything other than syphilis newly caught in past week or so, it will be positive in 1st, 2nd, 3rd stage and also in people who had syphilis in the past fully cured. 3rd stage syphilis is diagnosed based on clinical observations in a person who is sero positive for syphilis. It is entirely possible to determine someone does not have 3rd stage syphilis just by examining them and nothing to gain by doing a blood test in absence of clinical signs.A doctor can quite honestly and acvurately check "no" for this without a blood test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john011 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 There is no such thing as a "blood test for 3rd stage syphilis". The standard blood test detects only syphilis antibodies. While negative result rules out anything other than syphilis newly caught in past week or so, it will be positive in 1st, 2nd, 3rd stage and also in people who had syphilis in the past fully cured. 3rd stage syphilis is diagnosed based on clinical observations in a person who is sero positive for syphilis. It is entirely possible to determine someone does not have 3rd stage syphilis just by examining them and nothing to gain by doing a blood test in absence of clinical signs.A doctor can quite honestly and acvurately check "no" for this without a blood test.Is there a way at the clinic, I can ask the doctor NOT to indicate the "reactive" on the medical certificate? Can they put "non-reactive" to the fact that I have been fully cured? So that I can keep it private and my company liaison officer will not know about my history. One of my primary concerns is that I don't want anybody know about my history, most especially staff at my workplace. I'm not too worried about the infection itself because I know I am cured. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, john011 said: Is there a way at the clinic, I can ask the doctor NOT to indicate the "reactive" on the medical certificate? Can they put "non-reactive" to the fact that I have been fully cured? So that I can keep it private and my company liaison officer will not know about my history. One of my primary concerns is that I don't want anybody know about my history, most especially staff at my workplace. I'm not too worried about the infection itself because I know I am cured. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect If only there was a British doctor with a Thai medical license who does work permit exams everyday (for 200 baht) who could quickly alleviate all your concerns. Oh well........ Edited March 13, 2017 by ricklev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, john011 said: Is there a way at the clinic, I can ask the doctor NOT to indicate the "reactive" on the medical certificate? Can they put "non-reactive" to the fact that I have been fully cured? So that I can keep it private and my company liaison officer will not know about my history. One of my primary concerns is that I don't want anybody know about my history, most especially staff at my workplace. I'm not too worried about the infection itself because I know I am cured. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect "I don't want to appear as if I am trying to manipulate the entire situation at my benefit " It sure looks that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Unless there is something new I am not aware of, there is no requirement to indicate "reactive" OR "non-reactive". Only that yiu do not have tertiary syphilis.The suggestion to go to Med Consult Asia (Dr. Donna) is good. They do these certificates all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rak sa_ngop Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 From my understanding of syphilis , the standard VDRL test will eventually show negative once you have been cured. But the problem is that this may take many months so cannot be used to evaluate how initially successful the treatment has been. Other tests are used to indicate that the infection has been dealt with, but once infected these test may be positive for life. Be aware that some clinics offer a fast syphilis test. As far as I understand this is not the same type of test as the VDRL test, and can in fact show you are positive from previous infection, but the VDRL test would show as negative. This happened to me. I tested positive with the fast test at a clinic, but negative from subsequent tests at a hospital. I had had a previous infection 10 years before. You really need to see an experienced VD doctor to get the best advice. If the doctor is satisfied that you no longer have the infection I am sure he would sign off on your medical certificate that you are free from syphillis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john011 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 From my understanding of syphilis , the standard VDRL test will eventually show negative once you have been cured. But the problem is that this may take many months so cannot be used to evaluate how initially successful the treatment has been. Other tests are used to indicate that the infection has been dealt with, but once infected these test may be positive for life. Be aware that some clinics offer a fast syphilis test. As far as I understand this is not the same type of test as the VDRL test, and can in fact show you are positive from previous infection, but the VDRL test would show as negative. This happened to me. I tested positive with the fast test at a clinic, but negative from subsequent tests at a hospital. I had had a previous infection 10 years before. You really need to see an experienced VD doctor to get the best advice. If the doctor is satisfied that you no longer have the infection I am sure he would sign off on your medical certificate that you are free from syphillisThanks for the advice. Will surely consider this. I'm doing all possible ways in order to get a med cert that indicates "non-reactive" or negative.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john011 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Unless there is something new I am not aware of, there is no requirement to indicate "reactive" OR "non-reactive". Only that yiu do not have tertiary syphilis.The suggestion to go to Med Consult Asia (Dr. Donna) is good. They do these certificates all the time.Not too sure if it is a requirement from the labor or if it is my company that wants to see the "non-reactive" status on the medical certificate.Thanks for the kind advice.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john011 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Bumrangrad Hospital did not do a blood test when I got my work permit medical certificate there last year. Hi,Was that your first time to go to Bumrungrad for the medical certificate related to WP? Or you've had your records in Bumrungrad even before when you go for certain appointment when you get sick? I also heard about Bumrungrad issuing a med certificate without any blood test. But I'm thinking it may be when you are their regular client. I wonder how is it for first timer at Bumrungrad. I have never been to Bumrungrad so I don't have any record there. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) On 13/03/2017 at 9:34 AM, Sheryl said: There is no such thing as a "blood test for 3rd stage syphilis". The standard blood test detects only syphilis antibodies. While negative result rules out anything other than syphilis newly caught in past week or so, it will be positive in 1st, 2nd, 3rd stage and also in people who had syphilis in the past fully cured. 3rd stage syphilis is diagnosed based on clinical observations in a person who is sero positive for syphilis. It is entirely possible to determine someone does not have 3rd stage syphilis just by examining them and nothing to gain by doing a blood test in absence of clinical signs. A doctor can quite honestly and acvurately check "no" for this without a blood test. Does anyone know if the Ministry of Labour requires the lab slip with the test result on it, or do they just want the health certificate? I can't see any difficulty with a doctor checking "no" to tertary syphilis despite a reactive test, but if the Labour Department wants the laboratory slip as well, that could prove impossible. Edited November 22, 2017 by FruitPudding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I have never heard if lab slip being requested. However some employers are apparently requesting that the certificate specifically state lab test negative. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tashiro Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Hi John011, How did the test go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 On 3/12/2017 at 7:13 PM, scubascuba3 said: How did you catch it? Make a wild guess. To the OP i would suggest find a good doctor who has nothing to do with your company etc and have a chat and do as he suggests ref' antibiotics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timendres Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 On 3/14/2017 at 8:46 PM, john011 said: Hi, Was that your first time to go to Bumrungrad for the medical certificate related to WP? Or you've had your records in Bumrungrad even before when you go for certain appointment when you get sick? I also heard about Bumrungrad issuing a med certificate without any blood test. But I'm thinking it may be when you are their regular client. I wonder how is it for first timer at Bumrungrad. I have never been to Bumrungrad so I don't have any record there. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect As mentioned previously, stage 3 syphilis can be detected by visual examination. BumRunGrad will not run a blood test unless the doctor sees some evidence suggesting that it is needed, or you request it. BRG is running an assembly line approach to WP medical certificates. Not the first time, nor any of the following 5 times, I got my MC at BRG was a blood test ever suggested or required. If you don't mention the syphilis, there will be no problems. Just walk in, say you feel like you are in perfect heath, the doctor will examine you visually and check your lungs with the stethoscope, and you will be directed to the payment window. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts