Sinn Féin's Martin McGuinness dies aged 66

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5 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Didn't invade another country ?

Didn't try to wipe out the entire Irish population ?

 

 "The truth is startling, 67 out of 130 regiments of Britain's Empire army were in Ireland in this period (100,000 at any one time). The troops were not on a humanitarian mission. Their job was to remove food by force." - See more at: https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/06/irish-potato-famine-was.html#sthash.0NU0OZuO.dpuf

So this guy didn't enforce blowing up soft targets....?

[CharlieH]

Please do not derail this topic into discussing historic events, the topic is reporting on the death of an individual not politics and certainly not about Irish history or "the troubles" in Ireland.

 

If you wish to debate those, open another topic.

[maxx58]

A true patriot!

A hero to the Irish people and a scourge to the despicable British empire!!

RIP Martin McGuiness.

 

 

[MiKT]

30 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Some quotations about the man :

 

"First and foremost, Martin McGuinness was a much loved husband, father and grandfather. My thoughts and prayers are with his wife and the family circle at this very painful time of grief and loss." (Arlene Foster)

 

" Martin McGuinness ultimately played a defining role in leading the republican movement away from violence.In doing so, he made an essential and historic contribution to the extraordinary journey of Northern Ireland from conflict to peace ". (Theresa May UK PM)

 

"Mr McGuinness' personal journey and the clear influence he had on others in the republican movement were instrumental in shaping political institutions in Northern Ireland founded on exclusively peaceful and democratic means". (James Brokenshire)

 

Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Enda Kenny said his passing represented a "significant loss, not only to politics in Northern Ireland, but to the wider political landscape on this island and beyond".

 

Colin Parry, whose 12-year-old son, Tim, died in an IRA bomb in Warrington in 1993, said although he did not forgive the IRA or Martin McGuinness, he found him a man who was "sincere in his desire for peace".

 

Rest in Peace Martin.

 

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There were far, far, far too many  "much loved husbands, fathers and grandfathers" let alone, wives, mothers, grandmothers and daughters, granddaughters and grandsons  who were blown-up or otherwise murdered by McGuinness and his ilk to have any sympathy for his death. What about the Mountbatten's, are you sorry for them?

 

Are you sorry for all these Nationalists who also unnecessarily lost their lives or were crippled because of this mans vanity and greed for power? 

 

Repressive thugs and drug dealers, not freedom fighters.

[thequietman]

31 minutes ago, MiKT said:

 

There were far, far, far too many  "much loved husbands, fathers and grandfathers" let alone, wives, mothers, grandmothers and daughters, granddaughters and grandsons  who were blown-up or otherwise murdered by McGuinness and his ilk to have any sympathy for his death. What about the Mountbatten's, are you sorry for them?

 

Are you sorry for all these Nationalists who also unnecessarily lost their lives or were crippled because of this mans vanity and greed for power? 

 

Repressive thugs and drug dealers, not freedom fighters.

 this mans vanity and greed for power?............. a man who wanted his country back from an illegal occupation.  Try reading some of your history. You might learn something. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/multimedia/Great-Britains-Record-of-Bloodshed-Imperialism-Genocide-20160615-0019.html

[i claudius]

Pity it didn't happen 40 years ago,rest in hell

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[thequietman]

10 minutes ago, i claudius said:

Pity it didn't happen 40 years ago,rest in hell

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You would need to go back just a little further than that. He would have been 26 then and was already 2nd in command of the Derry IRA since the age of 21 years old. That was the day that British soldiers murdered 14 civil rights marchers.

Maybe you would prefer it if he just didn't exist, eh ?

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, jesimps said:

Shame he never took his mate Gerry Adams with him. I notice the lefties on here posting their condolences, wouldn't expect anything else from them.

Nothing to do with political persuasion.

 

Just a show of respect for a man who saw violence had failed and had the courage and stature to take the men of violence with him into peace talks.

 

He was one of the very few who had the credibility to do this and the risk he put himself at when he did so should not be underestimated. 

 

He played a major role in ending the troubles and giving Ireland hope.

 

Of course I wouldn't expect everyone to see that.

 

However it is still true.

[MiKT]

22 minutes ago, thequietman said:

 this mans vanity and greed for power?............. a man who wanted his country back from an illegal occupation.  Try reading some of your history. You might learn something. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/multimedia/Great-Britains-Record-of-Bloodshed-Imperialism-Genocide-20160615-0019.html

 

Hey, you must be one of Trumps fake news providers, just twisting the facts of history to suit your twisted point of view - so all the people mentioned in your ancient accounts were lovely peaceful protestors, just mown down by the bad old Brits????? - not so if you really study the historic facts + a very good portion of those old days troops would have been Irishmen. How do you account for that? Or the many, many Thousands of truly gallant Irishmen and women who died in the service of GB during the last 2 World Wars and in all the wars since.

 

The fact is that the more recent (since the late 60's) troubles in Northern Ireland were Irish killing Irish (helped by misguided US money). Illegal occupation? The British Army were in the north because the Majority wanted to remain part of GB and were actually there to protect both sides, but naturally retaliated when attacked and fired upon. 

 

Lots of myths about gallant the IRA, but the truth is they were cowardly traitors, hated by most people in the south who wanted nothing to do with their murderous politics after Irish Independence.

 

I don't think his few (questionably) good deeds in the last few years make up for all the murder, torture and mayhem McGuinness promulgated before.

 

 

 

 

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, thequietman said:

Didn't invade another country ?

Didn't try to wipe out the entire Irish population ?

 

 "The truth is startling, 67 out of 130 regiments of Britain's Empire army were in Ireland in this period (100,000 at any one time). The troops were not on a humanitarian mission. Their job was to remove food by force." - See more at: https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/06/irish-potato-famine-was.html#sthash.0NU0OZuO.dpuf

What did you make of the Enniskellen remembrance day bombing 30 years ago this year?

 

The day someone dies is not the time to stir up a sh1t-storm, & certainly not by rubbing the noses of present generations in the actions or otherwise of their forbears. If anyone feels otherwise I'd gladly join in if we (yes the ENGLISH too) could first start at the Romans, followed by the Danes, Normans........

 

You could hear a pin drop when the Chingford Skinhead was asked for his opinion on live TV an hour ago.

 

 

[MiKT]

2 hours ago, thequietman said:

Didn't invade another country ?

Didn't try to wipe out the entire Irish population ?

 

 "The truth is startling, 67 out of 130 regiments of Britain's Empire army were in Ireland in this period (100,000 at any one time). The troops were not on a humanitarian mission. Their job was to remove food by force." - See more at: https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/06/irish-potato-famine-was.html#sthash.0NU0OZuO.dpuf

This article is promoted by a writer who laments that -

 

"Ireland like many European nations is undergoing the genocide by cultural Marxism, mass immigration of third worlders, minority rights of LGBT, feminists to undermine marriage, gender leading to moral collapse."

 

I wonder how they feel about the large number of Thai's who live in Ireland nowadays? Must really hate any katoys who managed slip through the immigration dragnet.

 

Let us only hope that the IRA are as dead a part of history as the Potato famines and that MM's murderous activities are buried deep in histories dung pile. 

 

[Goldpanner]

The man was a cold blooded murderer of men women and children. THAT fact cant be ignored. He never had the balls to admit he pulled the trigger either.

He should have been hanged or been in Prison for his life. I hope he died slowly and painfully and there will be parties in N Ireland tonight.

<removed>. He wont be missed.

[Kiwiken]

One mans Terrorist is another's Freedom Fighter. It was the willingness in the end of people like Mc Guinness and Paisley to set aside their personal hatred that Lead to the Peace accords. All sides committed wrongs. Irish Unity will come about by Political dialogue and not the will of the Gun or warped Religious thinking.

[khunken]

RIP Martin McGuinness. He, like the UDF and, at times the British army were guilty of cold-blodded killing. As an Irishman brought up aa a Protestant in Dublin & never supported the IRA but I also didn't support the gerrymandering and outright bias against the minority (in jobs, police, local government) that was endemic in Northern Ireland before a peaceful solution was found, thanks to the like of George Mitchell, Desmond Tutu, Tony Blair and, yes, even Martin McGuinness & Ian Paisley.

 

No doubt he was a flawed individual but at least one other of those I mentioned above had a lot more blood on his hands.

 

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Perfect Day

 

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[Shaksey]

Special corner of hell hopefully reserved for this scum and other like him, long may he burn in it.

[Jonmarleesco]

I suspect there won't be an outpouring of grief, nor of sympathy.

[thequietman]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

What did you make of the Enniskellen remembrance day bombing 30 years ago this year?

 

The day someone dies is not the time to stir up a sh1t-storm, & certainly not by rubbing the noses of present generations in the actions or otherwise of their forbears. If anyone feels otherwise I'd gladly join in if we (yes the ENGLISH too) could first start at the Romans, followed by the Danes, Normans........

 

You could hear a pin drop when the Chingford Skinhead was asked for his opinion on live TV an hour ago.

 

 

I condemned this act as did Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness.  

 

"I hope there will be no more Enniskillen's and I am deeply sorry about what happened in Enniskillen," Mr Adams told the BBC.

"But I think we can only have a guarantee of a peaceful future when we tackle the root causes of the conflict and when we resolve them," said the leader of Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA.

 

We could go around and around with this contentious topic. The reality is the British should never have been in the North of Ireland and to quote many people on here in regards to Thailand.....................if they weren't there then none of this would have happened.

[thequietman]

2 hours ago, Goldpanner said:

The man was a cold blooded murderer of men women and children. THAT fact cant be ignored. He never had the balls to admit he pulled the trigger either.

He should have been hanged or been in Prison for his life. I hope he died slowly and painfully and there will be parties in N Ireland tonight.

<removed>. He wont be missed.

Not true, in fact, he always admitted his involvement.

 

Quote : “I was proud to be a member of the IRA. I am still - 40 years on - proud that I was a member of the IRA."

[thequietman]

48 minutes ago, Jonmarleesco said:

I suspect there won't be an outpouring of grief, nor of sympathy.

I fear this is incorrect Recently in the Northern Ireland elections Sinn Fein polled 224,245 votes up 3.9% to 27.9%. That's significantly more people than will mourn your death when you go.

[thequietman]

54 minutes ago, Shaksey said:

Special corner of hell hopefully reserved for this scum and other like him, long may he burn in it.

At the very least, he will have lots of British prime ministers to talk to when he is there. 

[CharlieH]

Inappropriate post removed.Someones death is not the place for making jokes.

[evadgib]

31 minutes ago, thequietman said:

The reality is the British should never have been in the North of Ireland and to quote many people on here in regards to Thailand.....................if they weren't there then none of this would have happened.

Posted from a land where immigrants looking for a short back and sides often get a lot more than they bargained for 

 

[Andaman Al]

I have a message for McGuinness before he travels to far below and loses the signal. This is from all the innocent women and young children blown up in car bombs in Germany when I was stationed there, for the innocents blown up, shot and murdered across the province and the UK mainland. Enjoy the special place reserved for you.

 

 

[CharlieH]

More off topic posts removed.

 

Anyone else persisting to expand this thread into debate on the Irish "troubles" of the past or other Historic events will now be suspended without further warning.

[Pikeybkk]

One mans terrorist us another mans freedom fighter. You dont want people bombing your country, dont invade theirs. 

[joecoolfrog]

Call him freedom fighter or terrorist , makes no difference. He was involved in the slaughter of many innocent people and that makes his passing a relief.

[oldgent]

I have to say that i,m shocked at the comments by members of this forum

who in my opinion are armchair critics that know absolutely nothing about

the 30+ years of troubles in Northern Ireland, Let the man rest in peace

[jacko45k]

Move over in hell Hitler and Mussolini, you have company.

[geordiel]

14 hours ago, thequietman said:

Martin McGuinness was a freedom fighter and fought for the return of Ireland to the Irish people. It was his right as an Irish man to reclaim his country back by whatever means. His death is a sad day for Ireland and Irish people and for those of you who wish to see the death of Gerry Adams, I hope and trust he will outlast all of you.

Try reading up on Irish history to see why Martin McGuiness fought for what I know to be right.

 

Rest in Peace Martin McGuinness.  "I haven't done anything I am ashamed of."

"I haven't done anything I am ashamed of." ... this tells you all you need to know about the man. He shows no shame for the death, grief and misery he visited  upon many, many innocent families.  I served in NI for 3+ years with an infantry regiment, much of the time in a surveillance role and can tell you that far from being some kind of noble Irish patriot, he was leader of a sordid, psychopathic murder gang.  He only stopped because his family was getting older and he was scared they would get involved, the IRA was heavily infiltrated right up the chain of command and the net was closing in on him. I hope there is a God because this vile man is in for a shock.