Trump questions why U.S. Civil War had to happen

[boomerangutang]

                         Has Trump gained any supporters since elected?  Not one.   Yet, he has lost a bunch of support, and for good reasons.  He only has one direction to go.....   continuing downhill.  About half of his once-stalwart support has gone flaccid.  His remaining die-hard supporters either want the US to debilitate further, or they think Trump is some sort of modern-day Christian saint who is going to get America back to resemble the whiteness it had in the 1950's.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2017 by boomerangutang

[CaptHaddock]

21 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

                         Has Trump gained any supporters since elected?  Not one.   Yet, he has lost a bunch of support, and for good reasons.  He only has one direction to go.....   continuing downhill.  About half of his once-stalwart support has gone flaccid.  His remaining die-hard supporters either want the US to debilitate further, or they think Trump is some sort of modern-day Christian saint who is going to get America back to resemble the whiteness it had in the 1950's.

 

 

Trump's support has not diminished much according to numerous polls which variously report 85% to 93% of his supporters still support him.  It would be a mistake not to recognize that his supporters feel an emotional identification with him that is so far not dependent on his getting results.  It would be a mistake to listen only to the liberal side who probably do detest Trump more than during the campaign, but that doesn't change the math, which is what matters.

[PremiumLane]

4 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

85% to 93% of his supporters still support him. 

but he has the lowest ratings of any US president, in a long time. And this isn't about 'liberal' views of him, it is about facts and the utter stupidity of the man

[CaptHaddock]

11 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

but he has the lowest ratings of any US president, in a long time. And this isn't about 'liberal' views of him, it is about facts and the utter stupidity of the man

He already had the lowest ratings when he won the election.  The low ratings come from the Democrat and liberal side of the electorate that detest him, but that didn't keep him from winning.  My guess is that if the election were held tomorrow he would win again.

[Ramen087]

Historical Gallup Poll approval highs and lows for each president since 1937:^{[21][22][23][l]}

Order	President	Highest Approval	Lowest Approval	High – Low	Highest Disapproval	Highest Margin	Lowest Margin	Last poll	Approval Average[21]	Polls per year
45[24]	Trump	46 (01/24/17)	35 (03/28/17)	11	59 (03/28/17)	1 (01/24/17)	−24 (03/28/17)		41.2
44[25][26]	Obama	69 (01/24/09)	38 (09/05/14) [m]	31	57 (10/10/14)	56 (01/23-24/09)	−18 (10/10/14)	59 (01/19/17)	47.9	348.4
43[27]	Bush (G.W.)	90 (9/21/01)	25 (10/05/08, 10/12/08, 11/02/08)	65	71 (10/10/08)	83 (09/22/01)	−46 (10/12/08)	34 (01/11/09)	49.4	33.7
42[28]	Clinton	73 (12/19/98)	37 (06/06/93)	36	54 (09/07/94)	45 (12/17/00)	−14 (09/07/94)	66 (01/14/01)	55.1	28.5
41[29]	Bush (G.H.W.)	89 (02/28/91)	29 (08/02/92, 10/13/92)	60	60 (07/31/92)	82 (03/03/91)	−30 (08/02/92, 10/13/92)	56 (01/11/93)	60.9	39.5
40[30]	Reagan	71 (01/30/86)	35 (01/31/83)	36	56 (01/28/83)	52 (01/30/86)	−21(01/31/83)	63 (12/29/88)	52.8	37.0
39[31]	Carter	74 (03/15/77)	28 (06/26/79, 10/02/79)	46	59 (06/26/79)	66 (03/15/77)	−31 (06/26/79)	34 (12/08/80)	45.5	22.7
38[32]	Ford	70 (08/13/74)	36 (03/25/75)	34	46 (04/15/75, 11/18/75)	26 (08/13/74)	−7 (02/25/75, 03/25/75, 04/15/75)	53 (12/13/76)	47.2	14.7
37[33]	Nixon	66 (01/23/73)	22 (01/02/74)	44	66 (08/05/74)	57 (03/17/69)	−42 (08/05/74)	24 (08/05/74)	49.1	17.7
36[34]	Johnson	79 (03/05/64)	34 (08/12/68)	45	52 (08/12/68)	75 (12/10/63)	−18 (08/12/68)	49 (01/06/69)	55.1	15.3
35[35]	Kennedy	83 (03/05/62)	56 (09/10/63)	27	30 (09/12/63, 11/08/63)	78 (03/05/62)	27 (09/10/63)	58 (11/13/63)	70.1	13.7
34[36]	Eisenhower	77 (11/22/55, 12/19/56)	47 (03/25/58)	30	36 (03/25/58)	66 (04/02/53, 12/19/56)	12 (03/25/58)	59 (12/13/60)	65.0	14.4
33[37]	Truman	91 (08/22/45)	22 (11/16/51, 02/14/52, )	65	67 (01/06/52)	89 (08/22/45)	−43 (01/04/52)	32 (12/16/52)	45.4	8.4
32[38]	Franklin D. Roosevelt	83 (01/08/42)	48 (08/18/39)	35	46 (05/22/38, 05/29/38, 11/07/38)	73 (01/23/42)		65 (12/15/43)	63

[Ramen087]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating

 

 

link to the above table (scroll down a bit to locate it) if you want to talk about this, which doesn't seem to be on topic but which people never stop talking about on this forum in many, many threads

 

the 348.3 is obviously a typo and should be somewhere around 34 - 38

Edited May 2, 2017 by Ramen087

[losworld]

5 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Clueless, ignorant, moron.

Nothing clueless about asking questions why thousands or millions have to die when it could possibly be averted.  Who's the clueless one here?

[Peterw42]

18 minutes ago, losworld said:

Nothing clueless about asking questions why thousands or millions have to die when it could possibly be averted.  Who's the clueless one here?

He isnt asking that question, he is saying he knows how it could have been averted. A big difference between learning the lessons of history and thinking you have the power to change history.

He is posing a rhetorical question so he can answer "because I wasnt there to stop it", or his mentor Jackson wasnt there.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Peterw42

[Langsuan Man]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

It was not clear what Trump believed Jackson would have done to avert the 1861-65 conflict.

Probably because it wasn't in the comic book where he read about Jackson 

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, Langsuan Man said:

Yes,  George W. Bush, we miss you now 

You're right, Bush is a veritable Einstein compared to this clueless moron

[sujoop]

If the 'Zoolander' President (as Mark Cuban coined) spent the likely hour + each day during his hair, make-up and spray tan sessions reading up on subjects which he might comment on (instead of watching FOX n Friends) perhaps some of these constant gaffs may be overcome (forgot, Trump claims he loves to read, just can't get past the 1st page apparently)
 

Donald Trump describes his unrequited love: Reading
"We're going to see the home of Andrew Jackson today in Tennessee and I'm reading a book on Andrew Jackson. I love to read."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/17/donald-trump-describes-his-unrequited-love-reading/?utm_term=.d3adc0a91662

 

Think you're smarter than a 45th leader? Take the test:
Who said it: Donald Trump or Derek Zoolander?
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-10/who-said-it-donald-trump-or-derek-zoolander/

 

 

Edited May 2, 2017 by sujoop

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, sujoop said:

If the 'Zoolander' President (as Mark Cuban coined) spent the likely hour + each day during his hair, make-up and spray tan sessions reading up on subjects which he might comment on (instead of watching FOX n Friends) perhaps some of these constant gaffs may be overcome (forgot, Trump claims he loves to read, just can't get past the 1st page apparently)
 

Donald Trump describes his unrequited love: Reading
"We're going to see the home of Andrew Jackson today in Tennessee and I'm reading a book on Andrew Jackson. I love to read."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/17/donald-trump-describes-his-unrequited-love-reading/?utm_term=.d3adc0a91662

 

Think you're smarter than a 45th leader? Take the test:
Who said it: Donald Trump or Derek Zoolander?
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-10/who-said-it-donald-trump-or-derek-zoolander/

 

 

I failed already, who is Derek Zoolander?

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, sujoop said:

If the 'Zoolander' President (as Mark Cuban coined) spent the likely hour + each day during his hair, make-up and spray tan sessions reading up on subjects which he might comment on (instead of watching FOX n Friends) perhaps some of these constant gaffs may be overcome (forgot, Trump claims he loves to read, just can't get past the 1st page apparently)
 

Donald Trump describes his unrequited love: Reading
"We're going to see the home of Andrew Jackson today in Tennessee and I'm reading a book on Andrew Jackson. I love to read."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/17/donald-trump-describes-his-unrequited-love-reading/?utm_term=.d3adc0a91662

 

Think you're smarter than a 45th leader? Take the test:
Who said it: Donald Trump or Derek Zoolander?
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-10/who-said-it-donald-trump-or-derek-zoolander/

 

 

Trump and Zoolander are about the same on the intelligence and common sense level.  But whereas Zoolander is a "harmless simpleton who wouldn't hurt anyone," Trump is just a simpleton. 

[funandsuninbangkok]

7 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

.............and by all accounts he never even read the Art of the Deal, which of course he didn't write either.

 

Can any Trump supporters please explain to us why Trump is right about Jackson being angry about the Civil War?

In fact Jackson successfully stopped the South earlier without war. 

 

https://global.britannica.com/topic/nullification-crisis

 

 

[Andaman Al]

31 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

In fact Jackson successfully stopped the South earlier without war. 

 

https://global.britannica.com/topic/nullification-crisis

 

 

Unbelievable!!

 

What has the nullification crisis got to do with the US Civil War? Just how low in the barrel will you try and scrape to defend anything Trump does.

 

Jackson did nothing to successfully stop the nullification crisis, if anything he was the one who exacerbated the situation by doing nothing when he was elected as President. 

[funandsuninbangkok]

2 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Unbelievable!!

 

What has the nullification crisis got to do with the US Civil War? Just how low in the barrel will you try and scrape to defend anything Trump does.

 

Jackson did nothing to successfully stop the nullification crisis, if anything he was the one who exacerbated the situation by doing nothing when he was elected as President. 

Wrong. Read the britannica entry and learn

[Andaman Al]

5 hours ago, losworld said:

Nothing clueless about asking questions why thousands or millions have to die when it could possibly be averted.  Who's the clueless one here?

There is definitely something clueless about it when the man he credits with asking the question at the time (which he didn't) had died 16 years earlier. It seems there is a certain grade of synapse deficiency required to be an ardent Trump supporter.

[Andaman Al]

1 minute ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Wrong. Read the britannica entry and learn

I have no need to read it thank you. I know it. The link you offer states nothing of the mechanics of the crisis. What I have written is completely correct.

 

Secondly, most importantly the tactic you use for distraction is very Trumpesque. The nullification crisis was NOTHING to do with the US Civil War. Trump was talking about the civil war. You are trolling!

[Skeptic7]

8 hours ago, jerojero said:

No no. He said he loves 2 particular books, the Bible and his Art of The Deal. Then couldn't quote any passages from the Bible! Retard.

Nor did he name...or even write...Art Of The Deal. 

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-frontline-interview-tony-schwartz/

 

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

 

http://fortune.com/2016/07/28/donald-trump-tony-schwartz/

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

In fact Jackson successfully stopped the South earlier without war. 

 

https://global.britannica.com/topic/nullification-crisis

 

 

Actually Jackson backed down on the cause of the nullification crisis by renegotiating a tariff bill that had brought on the nullification crisis in the first place:

"On March 1, 1833, Congress passed both the Force Bill—authorizing the President to use military forces against South Carolina—and a new negotiated tariff, the Compromise Tariff of 1833, which was satisfactory to South Carolina. The South Carolina convention reconvened and repealed its Nullification Ordinance on March 15, 1833, but three days later nullified the Force Bill as a symbolic gesture to maintain its principles."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_Crisis

[Andaman Al]

3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Actually Jackson backed down on the cause of the nullification crisis by renegotiating a tariff bill that had brought on the nullification crisis in the first place:

"On March 1, 1833, Congress passed both the Force Bill—authorizing the President to use military forces against South Carolina—and a new negotiated tariff, the Compromise Tariff of 1833, which was satisfactory to South Carolina. The South Carolina convention reconvened and repealed its Nullification Ordinance on March 15, 1833, but three days later nullified the Force Bill as a symbolic gesture to maintain its principles."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_Crisis

CORRECT!

 

The South had anticipated Jackson to actually resolve their problem when he was elected (being a Southerner), but he did not and the whole issue festered. The reason that any crisis was avoided was because of the decision of the South Carolina Convention. Jackson exacerbated the problem and did NOTHING to solve it, what he tried to propose went nowhere near the requirements and demands of South Carolina. A true Trump negotiating style in every respect.

[Godolphin]

9 hours ago, DM07 said:

He is such a joke!

...but a really unfunny one!

Sort of hilarious and horrifying at the same time.

 

This whole bizarre episode (on top of the countless others) makes you wonder whether this odd man has the capacity to read anything and make real sense of it.  Endless extremely important and detailed  documents must be put on his desk every day for study and judgement. It's disturbing to know that he probably understands very little of what he is supposed to make decisions on.

 

Some days I get indignation fatigue following the erratic meanderings of this creepy, dangerous narcissist.

[CaptHaddock]

35 minutes ago, Godolphin said:

Sort of hilarious and horrifying at the same time.

 

This whole bizarre episode (on top of the countless others) makes you wonder whether this odd man has the capacity to read anything and make real sense of it.  Endless extremely important and detailed  documents must be put on his desk every day for study and judgement.

 

You might think so, but you'd be wrong.

 

And while Mr. Obama liked policy option papers that were three to six single-spaced pages, council staff members are now being told to keep papers to a single page, with lots of graphics and maps.

"The president likes maps," one official said.

 

https://mic.com/articles/168431/instead-of-reading-wordy-detailed-policy-reports-trump-likes-pictures#.gqvXS8sEu

[boomerangutang]

Jackson was a successful man in his time.  early 19th century

Trump is a successful man in his time, 200 yrs later.

 

Jackson gained notoriety mainly from being a man's man, and leading the successful defense of New Orleans against a concerted attack by British Redcoats.  Jackson was not a pussy-grabber and didn't constantly brag about how rich he was.

 

Trump gained notoriety by being a con man and self-promoting shyster.  He fooled a lot of people who should have been able to see through his many ruses.  He even avoided the draft 4 times by pretending he had a foot problem - even though he was playing squash during that time, as well as going to all night sex parties - while young American men the same age were holed up in the jungles of Vietnam.

 

The two men are quite different.  It's like comparing Napoleon and Tiny Tim. 

 

 

[PremiumLane]

8 hours ago, CaptHaddock said:

He already had the lowest ratings when he won the election.  The low ratings come from the Democrat and liberal side of the electorate that detest him, but that didn't keep him from winning.  My guess is that if the election were held tomorrow he would win again.

Not if Sanders was the candidate for the democrats, I think he would take a hammering then. They should never have run Clinton

[PremiumLane]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Trump and Zoolander are about the same on the intelligence and common sense level.  But whereas Zoolander is a "harmless simpleton who wouldn't hurt anyone," Trump is just a simpleton. 

Maybe we will also have the 'Donald Trump Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too,'

[Godolphin]

50 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

You might think so, but you'd be wrong.

 

And while Mr. Obama liked policy option papers that were three to six single-spaced pages, council staff members are now being told to keep papers to a single page, with lots of graphics and maps.

"The president likes maps," one official said.

 

https://mic.com/articles/168431/instead-of-reading-wordy-detailed-policy-reports-trump-likes-pictures#.gqvXS8sEu

Ha!

 

Maybe they could get a cartoonist in to simplify the papers even further.  Kim Jong-un could be represented as Dr Evil and Trump as Austin Powers -- I'm sure the shagging overtones would command his attention immediately.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

3 minutes ago, Godolphin said:

Ha!

 

Maybe they could get a cartoonist in to simplify the papers even further.  Kim Jong-un could be represented as Dr Evil and Trump as Austin Powers -- I'm sure the shagging overtones would command his attention immediately.

Would Donald make a good Fat Bastard.

[Godolphin]

15 minutes ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

Would Donald make a good Fat Bastard.

Love it!

 

Sean Spicer as mini me? Ivanka as Alotta Fagina?

[reenatinnakor]

Has Donald Trump used the "I can't be racist, I have black friends" line yet?

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