rak sa_ngop Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 If they sold the reported 1100 illegal logs found on their property they could post their own bail. Who knows what the true story is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetpeter Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Logs? Over a thousand? how big are these logs and how long? Where are the logs now? Many questions, not enough answers. If they had all these 'big logs' why had they not moved them on? perhaps they haven't fulfilled the requirements by not naming the Boss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12DrinkMore Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 2 hours ago, williamgeorgeallen said: turns out one of my western staff reported another of my western staff to immigration after they got into an argument. Yep, a lot of issues with Farangs are caused by other Farangs with a grudge and too much time on their hands. They should chill out a bit more, and stop doing the "high and mighty" act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 6 hours ago, Beats56 said: This just makes me angry If that all they did picking mushrooms what the hell is wrong with the justice system in this country. 5 years come on. Don't feed the fish, either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 3 hours ago, phetpeter said: Logs? Over a thousand? how big are these logs and how long? Where are the logs now? Many questions, not enough answers. If they had all these 'big logs' why had they not moved them on? perhaps they haven't fulfilled the requirements by not naming the Boss! Not enough room on the photo lens to show the logs AND the pointing fingers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 This is a classic case of police scapegoating - just like Koh Tao & the stitched-up teacher - and many others. The details, as far as the English media will go are: The police & forest rangers were after a gang of illegal loggers who escaped. The mushroom pickers (MP) fled the area (for an unmentioned reason) leaving their motorbike behind. The police traced the MP and arrested them for illegal logging. The MP's lawyer (free legal?, appointed by the court?, 'friend'? - not mentioned) stupidly advised them to plead guilty to illegal logging and they were sentenced to 30 years, halved for pleading guilty. The case has 'progressed' to the Supreme Court where the sentence was reduced to 5 years (maybe a bit of guilty conscience on behalf of the judges). There was no evidence AFAIK presented to any court that this pair were loggers (just police finger-pointing) and no evidence of any logs in their possession. Note: there may be more details in the Thai media. I hope that the current lawyer that is to present evidence of a mistrial, is a lot more competent than their original lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 9 hours ago, canopy said: Quick recap: picking mushrooms was their claim and they were never found guilty of this. They were found guilty of encroaching on 72 rai of national forest land, cutting down over 1000 valuable trees, and possessing restricted timber illegally. 1 poor couple happends to be found in a national park picking mushrom. In the same area it has been stolen 1000`s of vauable trees which require both heavy equipment, significant workforce and organized logistics far beyond this couples ability... Up to date nothing that proof their involvement with the missing trees except a statement they where tricked to sign at the police station despite their repeted denying of any involvement rather than picking mushrooms... This case seems to be sorted out by the police the same way as with the 2 cambodian teens related to the rape and murder of the young UK couple on Koh Tao - no clear evidence what so ever, just happened to be in the crime area in addition to a statement signed under pressure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, timewilltell said: I wonder how the 2 million baht fund was calculated for two bail applications? Interesting point, for much more serious matters bail if often very small compared. Edited May 4, 2017 by scorecard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 1 hour ago, ttrd said: 1 poor couple happends to be found in a national park picking mushrom. In the same area it has been stolen 1000`s of vauable trees which require both heavy equipment, significant workforce and organized logistics far beyond this couples ability... Up to date nothing that proof their involvement with the missing trees except a statement they where tricked to sign at the police station despite their repeted denying of any involvement rather than picking mushrooms... This case seems to be sorted out by the police the same way as with the 2 cambodian teens related to the rape and murder of the young UK couple on Koh Tao - no clear evidence what so ever, just happened to be in the crime area in addition to a statement signed under pressure... Minor point, but the convicted pair are from Myanmar, not Cambodia, and both were 22 when the offence took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sambum said: Minor point, but the convicted pair are from Myanmar, not Cambodia, and both were 22 when the offence took place. Thx for the correction - hopefully those minor mistakes didnt shade the point...;) Edited May 4, 2017 by ttrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 39 minutes ago, ttrd said: Thx for the correction - hopefully those minor mistakes didnt shade the point...;) Not at all - the similarities are frightening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 8 hours ago, ujayujay said: Funny.....most prisoners claim to be innocent not just in TH. Not true......claiming innocence in court get's you the full sentence....claiming guilty as you likely know, usually halves the sentence. Proving innocence is costly....and very lengthy......one virtually has to prove the cops wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Meanwhile, Boss parties worldwide after dragging a live body home under his car~probably speeding and wasted. Nice job guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Thank god there is no jail/fine for nose pickers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said: Not true......claiming innocence in court get's you the full sentence....claiming guilty as you likely know, usually halves the sentence. Proving innocence is costly....and very lengthy......one virtually has to prove the cops wrong. It would be interesting to know how many people who pleaded not guilty in Thai courts were actually found to be not guilty - I would suspect quite a low number compared to other countries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Now it would be a different story if this criminal couple had 'only' run over a policeman and dragged him 100 mtrs to his death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 15 hours ago, tracker1 said: Not sure but picking mushrooms appears to be classed as logging ! a very big differance Were they carrying chainsaws to cut the mushrooms with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Did they miss that private jet leaving on Tuesday with Boss on board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilacme Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 15 hours ago, z42 said: And from where did you hear this fairytale then my friend? Look at the people, I doubt very much they'd chance a foot race with any authority figures (due to their age and fragility for 2)... The court documents (as shown on CSI LA) said they were done on encroachment and for having 1000 logs from restricted trees in their possession. Unless pictures are shown proving this, and some background on how they transported all 1000 to wherever they were found remains inexplicable. How exactly they're carrying them defeats me.. Care to hazard a guess.. Am all ears I am constantly amazed as to what Thais can get on a motcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Having seen what lawyers do here up close ourselves, if this country values justice they should jail the lawyer who recommended they plead guilty. If they do not, it sends a message to the world that lawyers here cannot be trusted and not to do any kind of business here. I hear there is a website on the way to promote how lawyers con people, all stories will be welcome so I am told. Disgusted with other unprintable words around that word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 A post containing veiled speculative comments regarding the Royal family has been removed as per this forum rule please note the part in red font: 1) You will not express disrespect of the King of Thailand or any one member of the Thai royal family, whether living or deceased, nor to criticize the monarchy as an institution.By law, the Thai Royal Family are above politics. Speculation, comments and discussion of either a political or personal nature are not allowed when discussing HM The King or the Royal family.To breach these rules may result in immediate ban.Linking to external sites which break these rules will be treated as if you yourself posted them. Off topic posts and replies about the Koh Tao case have been removed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodney earl Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 These POOR people were picking mushrooms and got a long prison term, now reduced to five years and yet other people commit a horrendous crime and are still running around the world free as a bird. !! Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 One report indicated the couple had possession of a fairly large amount of lumber from illegally gained timber, and the mushroom picking was a hastily cobbled story.Anybody else see that report? Sure it was in TV, but have trouble navigating Android.Sent from my SM-J200GU using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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