9 years overstay

[Ian1980]

32 minutes ago, JerryinTH said:

He can still avoid the blacklisting. This involves a lot of money, a trip to your home country, a visa agent and a new passport.

 

With 35.000 thb he will have his overstay clear.....

[Machiavelli]

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

you will be deported ....  fined the maximum ....   and banned for at least 10 years. 

 

Immigration does not take kindly to long overstayers .

Its not him. Its the guy he knows.

[sead]

Maybe he should keep low and hope the rules changes in 10 years

[overherebc]

13 minutes ago, Ian1980 said:

With 35.000 thb he will have his overstay clear.....

With a quite possibly expired passport allowing entry only to his own country and having to leave via the airport where he will be blacklisted how will 35,000 baht do anything to clear his overstay.

I would love to know, others might as well.

[Machiavelli]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

One and the same.  The emphasis was mine because the normal accusation here on TVF is that anyone who has empathy for someone's plight must be in a similar situation.

Are you? 

Edited May 6, 2017 by Machiavelli

[JackThompson]

15 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

I find it somewhat ironic, that when I'm in a pub speaking with Westerners, the Brits are complaining about Poles and Muslims, Europeans complain about Muslim and illegal immigrants, and Americans complain about illegal Mexicans, but here people defend over stayers with all sorts of excuses.I understand that some people have circumstances, but nine years? There was an amnesty a couple years back...pay the fine and no ban. I would have thought everyone  on over stay took that opportunity..

Most of those you hear complaining in pubs, are saying our countries fall far short of Thailand in protecting their citizens from illegal-aliens and other foreigners who cannot support themselves with foreign-sourced incomes. 

 

Most of those you hear saying, "No big deal," about over-stayers are the same people who think national-borders should not exist, so that all nations citizens' standards-of-living can fall to the lowest-common-denominator.

[steven100]

15 minutes ago, Machiavelli said:

Its not him. Its the guy he knows.

he should change his friends ... 

[Ian1980]

21 minutes ago, overherebc said:

With a quite possibly expired passport allowing entry only to his own country and having to leave via the airport where he will be blacklisted how will 35,000 baht do anything to clear his overstay.

I would love to know, others might as well.

Because i can do it..no matter what how many days you overstay, using Malaysian border

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, Ian1980 said:

Because i can do it..no matter what how many days you overstay, using Malaysian border

Legally?

[Bluespunk]

9 years without getting caught, while not approving of nor condoning overstays,  that is impressive.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Bluespunk

[Ian1980]

Y

2 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Legally?

Of course: if you need information you can pm me.

[Dipterocarp]

45 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

I find it somewhat ironic, that when I'm in a pub speaking with Westerners, the Brits are complaining about Poles and Muslims, Europeans complain about Muslim and illegal immigrants, and Americans complain about illegal Mexicans, but here people defend over stayers with all sorts of excuses.I understand that some people have circumstances, but nine years? There was an amnesty a couple years back...pay the fine and no ban. I would have thought everyone  on over stay took that opportunity..

Unless the OP made a wind up surely the "friend" is broke with no way  to buy his way out of this  overstay. Thailand is a big country with many out of the way villages  there are many more on long overstays doing just fine with helpful families and local connections, staying under the radar. Foreigners get nothing from the government here, unlike illegal aliens in Western countries. 

 

[overherebc]

6 minutes ago, Ian1980 said:

Y

Of course: if you need information you can pm me.

No thanks. ?

[Ian1980]

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

No thanks. ?

My pleasure

[Ian1980]

3 minutes ago, Dipterocarp said:

Unless the OP made a wind up surely the "friend" is broke with no way  to buy his way out of this  overstay. Thailand is a big country with many out of the way villages  there are many more on long overstays doing just fine with helpful families and local connections, staying under the radar. Foreigners get nothing from the government here, unlike illegal aliens in Western countries. 

 

So over stayers lives their live in the jungle: even a single trip to civilization can be a risk for them? 

[Moonmoon]

Best thing to do is buy an air ticket out of the country, surrender yourself at the airport with legal travelling documents and 20,000 baht fine

9 years here and your friend should be fluent in Thai, that should be a plus for communicating with the immigration officers.

Tell the immigration your sob story about why you overstay when asked. They might have pity on your situation and not banned you.

Once you leave, if you have no blacklisted stamp on your passport, you should be free to come back again.

Before leaving your friend can check with them if he is blacklisted. I think it would be 50/50 even with the laws in place now.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Moonmoon

[steve73]

I've lived in TL for 10 years and have never been asked for my passport, other than at the airport (when leaving),  immigration (when extending my PtS), opening a bank account, getting a driving license, or needing treatment at a hospital.

 

On a couple of occasions I been stopped while driving and my DL has been accepted.... or just 200bt and pass GO.

 

If you are living the low-life out in the sticks, especially if you're not driving a car, then  I can easily understand how you could stay under the radar.. But perhaps only until you had medical problems and need to go to a hospital.

Edited May 6, 2017 by steve73

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, sanukjim said:

If they catch you ,then it is into the goal for you until you can pay for a ticket to what destination that you chose

If you leave voluntarily, you can choose the destination. When arrested and deported, your only option is home country. Further, most airlines will not carry you. Usually, you must use the country's national carrier, a very expensive option.

[overherebc]

6 minutes ago, BritTim said:

If you leave voluntarily, you can choose the destination. When arrested and deported, your only option is home country. Further, most airlines will not carry you. Usually, you must use the country's national carrier, a very expensive option.

Was my situation many years ago.

[Ian1980]

21 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

9 years without getting caught, while not approving of nor condoning overstays,  that is impressive.

Yes: can i ask you which kind of life did your friend live in his 9 years overstay?

[Badbanker]

Seeing as I live at the IDC and court I thought  I should weigh in on the OPs post and dispel some rumor and misinformation.  I have helped dozens of people through this process!

 

9 years is a long time to overstay and the courts are taking a dim view of this since the new laws regarding overstaying came into being.

 

There is but one legal option and it does not involve going to the airport with 20k and ticket in hand as that would waste the ticket and your time.  Ask your embassy?

 

Get a new valid passport and then surrender yourself to Immigration Head Office at Soi Suan Plu in Bangkok, with your old and new passport.

 

If you surrender at 8am, you will go to court within 2-4 hours and be fined under the 20 limit.  You have the option to pay the fine in cash or serve the fine at 500 baht per day (not been 200 baht for 2 years) at Pathumthani jail!

 

You will then be returned to Immigration, who will want to keep you 24-48 hours to check if there are any outstanding warrants for your arrest.  Once this is cleared, you can only buy a ticket on the flag carrier of your country of birth and go home.  Most airlines will not carry deportees but a flag carrier has the legal duty to do this.  

 

Doesn't matter if it is surrender or arrest, if you go through the IDC now, you go to your country of birth, unless you have legal residence in another country!

 

There is also a transportation charge from immigration to Suwarnapum Airport on the day you are to leave.  At the airport immigration will check you in and your friends and family can give you your belongings to check in. They will then take you into the immigration holding area till an hour before you are to leave.  You are then escorted onto the plane and in most cases your passport is given to the captain of the aircraft who will return it to you on arrival in your country.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Ian1980 said:

Yes: can i ask you which kind of life did your friend live in his 9 years overstay?

I'm not the OP

 

All my mates work here, legally in a fairly well paid profession.

 

Work sorts out all that stuff for us.

 

Gloat mode now disengaged...

Edited May 6, 2017 by Bluespunk

[BritTim]

3 minutes ago, Badbanker said:

There is but one legal option and it does not involve going to the airport with 20k and ticket in hand as that would waste the ticket and your time.  Ask your embassy?

I respect your first-hand knowledge of such matters, and I am aware of the advice given by the embassy. However, there have been many reports of people who voluntarily leave via the airport being allowed to do so after interrogation and blacklisting. Is arrest when passing through immigration to leave the country something that is a new development?

[Ian1980]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I'm not the OP

 

All my mates work here, legally in a fairly well paid profession.

 

Work sorts out all that stuff for us.

 

Gloat mode now disengaged...

Sorry Bluespunk i wrote uncorrect

[overherebc]

11 minutes ago, Badbanker said:

Seeing as I live at the IDC and court I thought  I should weigh in on the OPs post and dispel some rumor and misinformation.  I have helped dozens of people through this process!

 

9 years is a long time to overstay and the courts are taking a dim view of this since the new laws regarding overstaying came into being.

 

There is but one legal option and it does not involve going to the airport with 20k and ticket in hand as that would waste the ticket and your time.  Ask your embassy?

 

Get a new valid passport and then surrender yourself to Immigration Head Office at Soi Suan Plu in Bangkok, with your old and new passport.

 

If you surrender at 8am, you will go to court within 2-4 hours and be fined under the 20 limit.  You have the option to pay the fine in cash or serve the fine at 500 baht per day (not been 200 baht for 2 years) at Pathumthani jail!

 

You will then be returned to Immigration, who will want to keep you 24-48 hours to check if there are any outstanding warrants for your arrest.  Once this is cleared, you can only buy a ticket on the flag carrier of your country of birth and go home.  Most airlines will not carry deportees but a flag carrier has the legal duty to do this.  

 

Doesn't matter if it is surrender or arrest, if you go through the IDC now, you go to your country of birth, unless you have legal residence in another country!

 

There is also a transportation charge from immigration to Suwarnapum Airport on the day you are to leave.  At the airport immigration will check you in and your friends and family can give you your belongings to check in. They will then take you into the immigration holding area till an hour before you are to leave.  You are then escorted onto the plane and in most cases your passport is given to the captain of the aircraft who will return it to you on arrival in your country.

Almost exactly what happened to me in 2003.

I was allowed to go home, shower change etc but that is not a given in all cases.

The year quoted will explain to many why it happened to me.

Blacklisting was not then as it is now, I returned 3 days later with a new visa. I was one of many at the time.

Edited May 6, 2017 by overherebc

[Badbanker]

Just now, BritTim said:

I respect your first-hand knowledge of such matters, and I am aware of the advice given by the embassy. However, there have been many reports of people who voluntarily leave via the airport being allowed to do so after interrogation and blacklisting. Is arrest when passing through immigration to leave the country something that is a new development?

Problem is I see people in recent times being arrested and sent back to Suan Plu with a dead ticket and a "check this guy out for any outstanding legal issues call" !

 

You may be lucky but then again you may not!  If you can afford the potential wasted ticket that is fine!

 

 

[manarak]

13 minutes ago, Badbanker said:

Seeing as I live at the IDC and court

err... you live at the IDC ?

[BritTim]

Just now, manarak said:

err... you live at the IDC ?

I think "live" is being used to describe being very often there.

[Badbanker]

3 minutes ago, manarak said:

err... you live at the IDC ?

Sadly I do at times during some days!  Not from choice but rather necessity!   Have a look at my posting history you will see I have addressed this issue many times over the past 10 years or more? 

 

Don't make any money from it but I do help things get moved along quickly.

[JackThompson]

6 minutes ago, Badbanker said:

Problem is I see people in recent times being arrested and sent back to Suan Plu with a dead ticket and a "check this guy out for any outstanding legal issues call" !

You may be lucky but then again you may not!  If you can afford the potential wasted ticket that is fine!

I'd definitely risk the ~1000-baht ticket to Malaysia, head to the airport, and try to avoid the IDC.  That said, 9 years is a long time.  Maybe take a bit of extra cash, which might come in handy, given how things work here.