9 years overstay

[BritTim]

18 minutes ago, justaphase said:

You need 20,000 for the fine and 13,000 for a one way ticket home if you're from the UK as you'll be immediately deported and u wont spend much time anywhere.

Blacklisted for 10 years as the law states.

If u dont have money then you're looking at 100 days (@ 200 baht/day) to pay off the fine in the jail nearest u were arrested in.

Then u go to the detention centre and u try to get home.

There's no free trip. After 6 months uk will lend u the money.

It is true that if you go to the airport with valid passport, 20,000 baht for the fine and an air ticket out, you will be allowed to leave after an ear lashing. The ticket out could even be to Phnom Penh if you have a way of existing there on arrival, but blacklisting from Thailand is next to certain.

 

If arrested, taken to court, and placed in the IDC, many will assume that you can pay the fine and be deported on a cheap ticket to home country on a no frills airline. Not so! Most airlines will not accept passengers being deported. Usually, the only option is a full price ticket on the national carrier. That is one key reason why leaving voluntarily is better than waiting to be arrested. The reduction in the fine does not begin to cover the extra cost of a full price ticket on the national carrier.

 

I am surprised to read that the UK authorities will stump up the cost of the deportation after 6 months. Do you know that for a fact? I have been told the UK is one of the countries that will never do that.

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

Whoever the person is they have been very fortunate to evade being caught/identified for 8 years, the odds that will continue for the rest of their life is slim to remote. If that person is considering staying or leaving, it may be best to bite the bullet now and get it over and done with because it will be so much harder in future years.

Its actually probably pretty easy, just keep away from the police. 

[ubonjoe]

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[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, colinneil said:

My friend has a problem, how many times is that one posted?

If anybody is on nine years overstay, they deserve a stay in theI IDC.

It shows a total disregard for the law, total lack of respect for Thailand.

Many things here are not to our liking, but as we chose to live here, we have to put up with them.

Spot on Colin, as far as leaving the UK to live in Thailand, Thailand has it's problems and it's unfairness towards ex pats, and also long stay tourists under fifty.

But the good here in Thailand far outweighs the bad.

[scubascuba3]

 
My favorites are the guys who would string a guy up for an overstay, but defend to the death another guy's right to drink in a bar 'til dawn, then barfine a lady for his inalienable right to carnal pleasure.
 

Or those guys moralising but probably have a paid for wife or girlfriend.

[dddave]

23 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Its actually probably pretty easy, just keep away from the police. 

I would imagine that the more one needs to avoid contact with police, the more difficult it becomes.  One's own avoidance actions upon encountering a police officer might likely arouse the officers suspicions, as they are trained to notice such things...

Pretty stressful way to live.

[sanukjim]

7 hours ago, Chou Anou said:

"are they allowed to continue their stay in Thailand and then they are not allowed to re-enter once they have left the country ?"

 

Haha, I very highly doubt it!  My money is on "immediately deported, and not allowed to re-enter for 10 years."  I would imagine a fine must be paid somewhere along the line as well...

If they catch you ,then it is into the goal for you until you can pay for a ticket to what destination that you chose, (full fair and not discount) they purchased for you and you are arranged to go to court before a judge.You will then learn your fate of the fine and blacklist .When your plane is ready for your boarding you will be escorted to the gate or in some cases to the aircraft.In the immigration prison you will be with about 250 others that are also waiting for their court date ( I know of some waiting 2 years because they could not afford the ticket home and be able to pay their fine.First hand knowledge from about 30 years ago.

[overherebc]

30 minutes ago, BritTim said:

It is true that if you go to the airport with valid passport, 20,000 baht for the fine and an air ticket out, you will be allowed to leave after an ear lashing. The ticket out could even be to Phnom Penh if you have a way of existing there on arrival, but blacklisting from Thailand is next to certain.

 

If arrested, taken to court, and placed in the IDC, many will assume that you can pay the fine and be deported on a cheap ticket to home country on a no frills airline. Not so! Most airlines will not accept passengers being deported. Usually, the only option is a full price ticket on the national carrier. That is one key reason why leaving voluntarily is better than waiting to be arrested. The reduction in the fine does not begin to cover the extra cost of a full price ticket on the national carrier.

 

I am surprised to read that the UK authorities will stump up the cost of the deportation after 6 months. Do you know that for a fact? I have been told the UK is one of the countries that will never do that.

It's more likely to be a loan with some sort of repayment system or arranged through family if possible in UK. Can't see them just handing you the fare.

Ref' IDC, once in there you have no contact with the outside world, phones not allowed etc. To get a flight out arranged you need outside help so you need someone to do everything for you.

OP's friend has only two real choices.

Stay hidden and hope.

Airport with 20,000 baht for the fine and a ticket in hand to home base. As someone mentioned after 9 years OS it's likely that his passport has expired so no other country will allow entry. 

 

 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, realenglish1 said:

You're in a heap of doo doo my friend It is sheer stupidity that led you here Sorry If I am not understanding about it 

I have been here for more than 15 years and never had a lapse in my visa 

 

I would guess that you didn't have a wife or business partner that cleaned you out, or a medical expense that made it impossible to leave -for economic or whatever reason- or any one of a hundred other things that may have happened to the OP's friend that may have found him in dire financial straits just as the rules about overstay changed.

 

Keep in mind that, until 2 years ago, problems like his were treated so casually by Thailand Immigration that he could have left one day with a 20,000 baht fine, and returned the next day with all forgiven.  Go back in the search function and you'll find hundreds of posts in dozens of threads about guys who were in the exact same situation- and were out of trouble and into their next  Thailand adventure a week later.

 

I haven't a clue why the OP's friend is in the position he's in.  So I'm not going to pass judgment on him.

 

Edited May 6, 2017 by impulse

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, sanukjim said:

If they catch you ,then it is into the goal for you until you can pay for a ticket to what destination that you chose, (full fair and not discount) they purchased for you and you are arranged to go to court before a judge.You will then learn your fate of the fine and blacklist .When your plane is ready for your boarding you will be escorted to the gate or in some cases to the aircraft.In the immigration prison you will be with about 250 others that are also waiting for their court date ( I know of some waiting 2 years because they could not afford the ticket home and be able to pay their fine.First hand knowledge from about 30 years ago.

On the court date thing. You won't get one until the cash for the fine is ready and the plane ticket bought. Court fine usually around 2000 baht. 

Then as you say taken to the airport processed then locked up downstairs until boarding time. Escorted to the gate and  allowed to board. If you are lucky, ie have a few extra baht, you might get home under escort for shower clean up etc and pick up a few things.

[ubonjoe]

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

On the court date thing. You won't get one until the cash for the fine is ready and the plane ticket bought.

Not correct. The court appearance will done soon after being detained,  The judge sets the fine and the fine is reduced by 200 by for every day of detention. The fine being paid and ticket out is needed for the deportation to be done.

[muzmurray]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

Keeping in mind the majority of his overstay occurred during a time when such an extended overstay could be cleared up with 20,000 baht and the perpetrator could fly out and return very next day, I don't see what all the condemnation is about.  It used to be a very common practice to maximize the days in country for the inevitable 20,000 fine.  It's only been in the last couple of years that the rules tightened up.

 

I'd suggest the guy write a book detailing how to stay under the radar for so long.  Lots of folks who don't have the juevos to post up here could probably benefit.

 

BTW, I'm on a very legal WP before anyone goes there in reply to my post here.  But I agree- there but for the Grace of God (or the luck of the draw for you atheists).

 

 

 

Your work permit has absolutely NOTHING to do with your permission to stay or visa - it is a by product of them, not a permission to stay in itself.

[muzmurray]

1 hour ago, justaphase said:

You need 20,000 for the fine and 13,000 for a one way ticket home if you're from the UK as you'll be immediately deported and u wont spend much time anywhere.

Blacklisted for 10 years as the law states.

If u dont have money then you're looking at 100 days (@ 200 baht/day) to pay off the fine in the jail nearest u were arrested in.

Then u go to the detention centre and u try to get home.

There's no free trip. After 6 months uk will lend u the money.

 

If arrested, his fine would be set by the court, and it is always much less than the 20k maximum - so he would never need 100 days to pay the fine. Normally it is in the region of 4k - so about 20 days.

[muzmurray]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not correct. The court appearance will done soon after being detained,  The judge sets the fine and the fine is reduced by 200 by for every day of detention. The fine being paid and ticket out is needed for the deportation to be done.

 

Just to add a little to the above, days spent in detention prior to being sentenced also count as 200 Baht per day.

[overherebc]

14 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not correct. The court appearance will done soon after being detained,  The judge sets the fine and the fine is reduced by 200 by for every day of detention. The fine being paid and ticket out is needed for the deportation to be done.

In my case both had to be paid up front to 'expedite' things.

Edited May 6, 2017 by overherebc

[heroKK]

find and talk to agents, extra fees solves many problems here !!!

Edited May 6, 2017 by heroKK

[cooked]

I have read on TV that there are guys (Chinese) that have been in Immigration prison for many years, they have no means of raising the airfare.

[delphioracle]

Although wrong some of the moral judgements being made are  without knowledge of the full facts surrounding this ''heinous outrageous'' crime of overstaying,

 

Meanwhile the runaway  who  murdered a police officer by  running him down and then dragging him along the road under his Ferrari wanders in and out of the country with  nary a care or worry.

 

Now  are you, are we capable of or in fact correct in being judge and jury in the issue(s).

 

[overherebc]

19 minutes ago, cooked said:

I have read on TV that there are guys (Chinese) that have been in Immigration prison for many years, they have no means of raising the airfare.

Some outside contact is essential. You can do nothing until friends/Embassy are made aware. I believe they let your Embassy know within a couple of days.

[gandalf12]

5 hours ago, dbrenn said:

There but for the grace of God my friend. I've known great guys - decent and honest by nature - who married wrongly, hit the booze, drugs, ran out of money and then lived hand to mouth teaching on overstay - unable to get themselves out of the hole that they'd drifted into.

 

It would make you sound a lot more human if you knew the facts surrounding each case before rushing to condemn one of your fellow expatriates.

Very hard to justify a 9 year overstay. Like many on here I Have no sympathy for him. It may seem harsh but it is people like this guy who make life harder for the rest of us who stick to the laws of the country.

Since I fist came here in 1982 I have never overstayed by a single day and I never will unless I am unable to travel due to a medical problem.

If they get mixed up with the wrong person it is there choice to hit the booze and or drugs. Most sensible people would leave and get their life back together before returning.

This opinion probably wont be liked but it is my point of view. Every country has rules and love or hate them we are obliged to comply with them.

[impulse]

45 minutes ago, muzmurray said:

 

Your work permit has absolutely NOTHING to do with your permission to stay or visa - it is a by product of them, not a permission to stay in itself.

 

My bad.  But twelve month extension of stay based on having a  Board of Investment work permit seemed like a lot of extraneous typing given that the meaning should be pretty obvious to anyone who isn't nit-picking.  

 

But I forgot who the audience is...

[heroKK]

3 minutes ago, gandalf12 said:

 the laws of the country.

it is not about the laws, it s they do not want penniless people here, guess what ? they do sell long term visas here, overstay and you've got cash, no issue at all !

Edited May 6, 2017 by heroKK

[gandalf12]

Just now, heroKK said:

it is not about the laws, it s do not want penniless people here, guess what ? they do sell long term visas here, overstay and you got cash no issue at all !

Of course it is about the laws, you know those things that you have to comply with or have problems with the law. Every country has them.

[heroKK]

3 minutes ago, gandalf12 said:

Of course it is about the laws, you know those things that you have to comply with or have problems with the law. Every country has them.

500K buys you an elite visa of 6 yrs, work permits are also sold openly, overstay cases got solvers but they also needs cash, dat s the story. it is pay and you stay that is the law !

Edited May 6, 2017 by heroKK

[gandalf12]

Just now, heroKK said:

500K buys you an elite visa of 6 yrs, work permits are also sold openly, overstays cases got solvers but they also needs cash, dat s the story.

Lets explain this simply. He has no visa or other documentation allowing him to reside in the country. That is illegal. I don't know what your home country is but I would guess it is also illegal in your country. It certainly is in the UK

[JerryinTH]

He can still avoid the blacklisting. This involves a lot of money, a trip to your home country, a visa agent and a new passport.

Seen it happen and done before.

The new rules aren't in place to keep tourists away, they are in place to make more money. Everything visa related is getting more expensive and sooner or later you'll have no other option than an expensive Elite Visa or something along those lines. Even the retirement visa rules are supposed to be changed in the near future. 

Money talks.. 

[williamgeorgeallen]

from what i have seen it is possible to pay a lawyer to sort it all out and pay the 20 000thb fine. then you can still stay in thailand. if i was ever in the situation and i was out of cash i would probably hop into cambodia or laos. not sure what i would do then. wonder if it is just a matter of getting a new passport.

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

...OP's friend has only two real choices.

Stay hidden and hope.

Airport with 20,000 baht for the fine and a ticket in hand to home base. As someone mentioned after 9 years OS it's likely that his passport has expired so no other country will allow entry. 

I would say:

• Embassy for new passport or ETD (if his passport is expired or will be in less than 6 mo)
• Airport with 20K Baht and Ticket anywhere he can legally enter such as Cambodia or Malaysia - Laos will not permit boarding for overstayers

He does not have to go to "home-base" unless he waits to get caught, at which point it's off to the IDC and a very expensive ticket ONLY to his passport-country.

 

It's a shame if he has to get a new passport, then immediately spoil it with a 9-year-overstay remark in it - but he will save a ton vs the IDC, even if buying 2 new passports.

[duanebigsby]

I find it somewhat ironic, that when I'm in a pub speaking with Westerners, the Brits are complaining about Poles and Muslims, Europeans complain about Muslim and illegal immigrants, and Americans complain about illegal Mexicans, but here people defend over stayers with all sorts of excuses.I understand that some people have circumstances, but nine years? There was an amnesty a couple years back...pay the fine and no ban. I would have thought everyone  on over stay took that opportunity..

[Ian1980]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

 

I'd suggest the guy write a book detailing how to stay under the radar for so long.  Lots of folks who don't have the juevos to post up here could probably benefit.

 

 

 

 

This is a good idea: behalf of the 9 years overstay would be great if someone that has lived or is actually in overstay, can describe is life.