thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 21 hours ago, papa al said: The white frame looks very classy. Wow. Yeah, i like white too. Around 87-88 the ty's went completely white; frame, s/arm and fork legs. That was a bit too much white, but a white frame does look nicer than the earlier red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 17 hours ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: Rattley One: Bent crank?...from former piston meltdown? # Read my lips, these cranks are from a yz450 knocking out over 3 times the power output. Bent cranks in a ty are unheard of. Unless someone pulls one out of a crank case or refits with a large hammer... # This bottom end was fine. The small end needle roller was shagged. # Top end noises rattle. # Big end noises knock. # Main bearings rumble. # This motor also had the loose flywheel stator moving 1/4" fore and aft on the crank taper, but they do not normally make a "rattle", more a "knock". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaorop Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Sorry papa but if you think foam filter oils dont help more than std oils you probably think water proof grease is also bunk..... 41 yrs washing and re-oilling says otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 31 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said: # Read my lips, these cranks are from a yz450 knocking out over 3 times the power output. Bent cranks in a ty are unheard of. Unless someone pulls one out of a crank case or refits with a large hammer... # This bottom end was fine. The small end needle roller was shagged. # Top end noises rattle. # Big end noises knock. # Main bearings rumble. # This motor also had the loose flywheel stator moving 1/4" fore and aft on the crank taper, but they do not normally make a "rattle", more a "knock". Nothing is unheard of if your bike has been worked on previously by a Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The probability of that is zero. Have viewed data now from labs showing that lithium grease is most water-resistant of available axel greases. Not water-proof of course. Still looking for controlled experiments results on foam-filter oils. Surely these corps offering $25/liter stuff have their engineers run some simple experiments measuring this. Maybe papa e-mail them. Have you had problems using motor oil on foam-filters in the past 41 years? Tons of mechanics & vehicle manufacturers over the past 50 years indicate motor-oil works fine. papa like 2T. or 30w. or 10W40. Also: having various colored seats means one can swap them out on a whim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Thaiguzzi. Why don't you do a performance run with each of the seat colors and see which one returns the best lap time? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Back around the birth of Christ, I used to race a modified IT465. One piston meltdown resulted in a whoop in the crank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaorop Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I geuss riding around on a trials bike khon dio doesnt stress air filters... Or you could just not grasp the properties properly? Its very sticky far more than nomal oils, normal oils always build up at the bottom of the filter therefore leaving the upper part, this does not happen any where near as much with filter oils. Thens the yse of solvents so you get the correcr amount embedded. The bold colors also enable a visual confirmation...I dont need tests to tell me what ive seen and experienced...But hey why not use cooking oil then? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kaorop said: I geuss riding around on a trials bike khon dio doesnt stress air filters... Or you could just not grasp the properties properly? Its very sticky far more than nomal oils, normal oils always build up at the bottom of the filter therefore leaving the upper part, this does not happen any where near as much with filter oils. Thens the yse of solvents so you get the correcr amount embedded. The bold colors also enable a visual confirmation...I dont need tests to tell me what ive seen and experienced...But hey why not use cooking oil then? An air filter is a superfluity on a trials bike anyway. You are never going fast enough to kick up any dust. Edited June 9, 2017 by fatdrunkandstupid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: An air filter is a superfluity on a trials bike anyway. You are never going fast enough to kick up any dust. Right. May as well eave the filter off altogether. Just kidding. On YouTube have seen trials bikes entered in hard enduro events. The air filter on my TY350 gets filthy. Same as the bike, riding gear, moustache. The chain. Filthy. Can't explain it. Here is the authentic Yamaha way. Appropriate for TY250. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, kaorop said: But hey why not use cooking oil then? Have read canola oil is real good, 'cept insects may like to eat it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 47 minutes ago, papa al said: Right. May as well eave the filter off altogether. Just kidding. On YouTube have seen trials bikes entered in hard enduro events. The air filter on my TY350 gets filthy. Same as the bike, riding gear, moustache. The chain. Filthy. Can't explain it. Here is the authentic Yamaha way. Appropriate for TY250. Have spoke to a few of your former flames in Patts. Yep...confirmed...Pappa is a dirty old man... Edited June 9, 2017 by fatdrunkandstupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 23 hours ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: White seat. Yeah, thanx, i honestly never thought of that. White would look well on 'Ol Blu. However, both bikes are having the same colour seat. By the way, those speed block tank decals are the MK II version. We are now on MK IV.... and counting.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 23 hours ago, papa al said: You are truly hard-core sir. Why you are most kind sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 hours ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: An air filter is a superfluity on a trials bike anyway. You are never going fast enough to kick up any dust. Er, no. You are joking right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said: Er, no. You are joking right? You and Pappa al are so serious. If you knew me in person you would know I am a (little) bit famous for riding bikes... Edited June 9, 2017 by fatdrunkandstupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Bark busters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, papa al said: Have read canola oil is real good, 'cept insects may like to eat it. Yeah i read that too on one of the American dirt bike forums when i was searching for answers. Funnily enough, all the different options were on enduro type, desert racing cross off road sites, where obviously people are changing/cleaning filters daily over a weekend. The trials sites i found were pretty much 100% of sticking the right stuff in with no substitutes. The Yamaha 85 workshop manual says filter oil only. My 70's Ossa manual says motor oil.... Hell, i checked, this stuff retails at $17.99 in the States, it's 990 baht a bottle here, that aint gonna break the bank, i doubt i'll use a liter in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said: Yeah i read that too on one of the American dirt bike forums when i was searching for answers. Funnily enough, all the different options were on enduro type, desert racing cross off road sites, where obviously people are changing/cleaning filters daily over a weekend. The trials sites i found were pretty much 100% of sticking the right stuff in with no substitutes. The Yamaha 85 workshop manual says filter oil only. My 70's Ossa manual says motor oil.... Hell, i checked, this stuff retails at $17.99 in the States, it's 990 baht a bottle here, that aint gonna break the bank, i doubt i'll use a liter in a year. Pick up two bottles and you can onsell one to Pappa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: Bark busters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: Pick up two bottles and you can onsell one to Pappa. I'm sure there are more retail establishments in Pattaya selling the stuff, than up here in Udon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: Bark busters? Er, again, no. Hate the things on a trials bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: You and Pappa al are so serious. If you knew me in person you would know I am a (little) bit famous for riding bikes... Yeah, but this is an internet forum dude. We are not sitting round a table face to face having a few beers. So, yeah, i don't know you in person. But you are welcome round for a cup of tea. Or beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said: Yeah, but this is an internet forum dude. We are not sitting round a table face to face having a few beers. So, yeah, i don't know you in person. But you are welcome round for a cup of tea. Or beer. I might PM you if/when I am next up your way. Do you fancy a ride UT-Muk-NakP-NongK-UT? Edited June 9, 2017 by fatdrunkandstupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said: Yeah, thanx, i honestly never thought of that. White would look well on 'Ol Blu. However, both bikes are having the same colour seat. By the way, those speed block tank decals are the MK II version. We are now on MK IV.... and counting.... having looked at the blue bike you have put together two very nice bikes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 18 hours ago, moe666 said: having looked at the blue bike you have put together two very nice bikes Thank you. As i get older, i enjoy building bikes and making stuff for them as much as i do riding them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 18 hours ago, fatdrunkandstupid said: I might PM you if/when I am next up your way. Do you fancy a ride UT-Muk-NakP-NongK-UT? Can do. Post rainy season. Done that route a couple of times on a bike and several times in a truck. Heading west to Loei and onwards is, IMO a better ride. I'm a bit of a weirdo, i have few true proper friends, the ones i do have, i hold very dear, and we are very close. Trust them with my life etc. I generally keep myself to myself, and don't suffer fools gladly. Also comes down to what bike you ride and hence if i'd ride with you. An air cooled Monster is fine, a 1200 water cooled one is not. Ditto sportsbikes or pretty much most multis. Anything old, air cooled, with a bit of class is a bonus. We may get on like a house on fire, i may want to beat the crap out of you by the end of the day. No offence intended. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaorop Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 20 hours ago, thaiguzzi said: Yeah i read that too on one of the American dirt bike forums when i was searching for answers. Funnily enough, all the different options were on enduro type, desert racing cross off road sites, where obviously people are changing/cleaning filters daily over a weekend. The trials sites i found were pretty much 100% of sticking the right stuff in with no substitutes. The Yamaha 85 workshop manual says filter oil only. My 70's Ossa manual says motor oil.... Hell, i checked, this stuff retails at $17.99 in the States, it's 990 baht a bottle here, that aint gonna break the bank, i doubt i'll use a liter in a year. Yep when to right amount is applied its not much and so lasts and lasts, I often wring some back into the bottle if I've applied to much now as far as papa is concerned: Believe me i've tried everything possible, in an effort to cut costs, but there is simply no substitute for my use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 6/9/2017 at 4:28 PM, fatdrunkandstupid said: Bark busters? For beginners and nitwits . Not for the purist. But papa hab, as busting bark every trail ride. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 6/9/2017 at 1:00 PM, kaorop said: I geuss riding around on a trials bike khon dio doesnt stress air filters... Or you could just not grasp the properties properly? Its very sticky far more than nomal oils, normal oils always build up at the bottom of the filter therefore leaving the upper part, this does not happen any where near as much with filter oils. Thens the yse of solvents so you get the correcr amount embedded. The bold colors also enable a visual confirmation...I dont need tests to tell me what ive seen and experienced...But hey why not use cooking oil then? Good points. Bought a gallon of Belray 2T oil for the TY350 in Colorado. It is purple and really viscous & sticky. Like molasses in the cool/cold mountain temps. Used it as the foam-filter oil too. Cut it with gasoline to apply mo bedda. Used excess onto rag for dressing tools and wheelbarrow handles. Also, The PTT 2T oil initially bought here papa used to refinish old dessicated wood cabinets. Worked great. Better than linseed oil. Pretty quick drying and didn't drip off after that. Not tacky when dried. Low viscosity, like 10 or 20. So prolly not optimal for filters. In theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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