New doctors object to harsh military-style training course

[rooster59]

New doctors object to harsh military-style training course

By Pratch Rujivanarom
The Nation

 

Participants of the new civil servant orientation course from Health Provider Regional 5 run through a blaze and firecrackers at Chulachomklao Royal Military Academy on Wednesday.

 

NEW DOCTORS have complained about military-style training during a civil servant orientation course, saying it was not relevant to their profession and was too harsh.

 

The Public Health Ministry, however, has maintained that there is nothing wrong about such training, as it encourages discipline, harmony, and endurance.

 

Pictures and video clips from the training have been shared on social media sites since Thursday, showing new interns taking part in several military-style training exercises, such as running through a blaze, night jungle trekking and crawling under barbed wire.

 

The training, part of the new civil servant orientation of Health Provider Regional 5, has sparked much criticism on the Internet.

 

A new intern who participated in the event and asked to be named as Benz said that the intensive training was held at Chulachomklao Royal Military Academy as part of a five-day orientation course for new civil servant. Two full days were spent on the military-style ground training.

 

“I was in the last group during the training and started the training at around 7pm, so we had to participate in every activity in the dark. We had to trek through the dark jungle in the rain. We asked the trainers to change the programme because it was very dangerous to trek in the jungle in that situation, but failed,” Benz said.

 

“I felt terrible and abused, because the trainers, who were soldiers, insulted us and used bad words to address us. I suffered both physically and mentally and I did not see any benefit from this kind of training.”

 

She stated that the new interns did not resist the harsh training because they were told that if they skipped the training they would fail the orientation and would not be enlisted as civil servants.

 

“I have heard that this training has been going on for at least five years and the senior interns have already complained about this to the Public Health Ministry, but nothing was improved,” Benz said.

 

Dr Bantawit Sudsanguan, a former intern at Health Provider Regional 2, said he had heard of the harsh training during the civil servant orientation in some of other areas since he attended a similar activity three years ago. But what he experienced at the orientation of Regional 2 was totally different.

 

“There was just a seminar on the general topics about being a good civil servant and a good doctor in the hotel seminar room, and there was no such military-style training,” Bantawit said.

 

Inspector-general Region 5 Dr Pisit Sriprasert said that it was true that the new interns from Regional 5 participated in the military-style training programme but he insisted the training was aligned with the Civil Service Commission Office’s regulations.

 

“The intention of this training is to encourage discipline, harmony, and endurance of the new doctors and prepare them to be a good civil servant. I know that many of the new doctors were not familiar with the military-style training, so it is understandable that they are not happy with the training and complained on social media,” Pisit said.

 

“We provide proper safety to all interns during the training. Moreover, the executives of the ministry also participated in military-style training before, so we include this activity in the new civil servant orientation.”

 

However, he said that as there was so much criticism over this year’s training, the ministry would adjust next year’s training to suit new doctors more.

 

Benz said, however, the reasoning that the training would boost the discipline and harmony of the interns was invalid. She said most of the interns are already grown-up and the nature of being a doctor forces them to work in a team.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30316445

 

 

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[mtls2005]

 

 

Seems like one way to reduce the number of excess nurses?

[Bluespunk]

Pointless policy.

Edited May 27, 2017 by Bluespunk

[harada]

Preparing them for the battlefield ?

[smedly]

what a complete load of ?????, who dreams this stuff up

 

This is the sort of thing I would expect to see in N Korea 

 

These people are training to be civilian doctors and medical workers not marines 

 

[tomwct]

Amazing Thailand!

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Get down and give me 20 and by the way, have you got anything for this itch?

[Artisi]

Definitely o/t, but some of  the precious little darlings need toughening up so they understand what the real world is and what many people face in real life. 

[Moonmoon]

I was enlisted in the Military for 2 years, and to be honest, they are Doctors not soldiers. This military training is totally useless for them unless they are military doctors. 

 

IDIOTS

[Moonmoon]

18 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Definitely o/t, but some of  the precious little darlings need toughening up so they understand what the real world is and what many people face in real life. 

All those years in the MIlitary and our Beloved PM still seems so out of touched with the real world and is bringing the country down into the ditches.

 

So much for toughening up and understanding the real world.

[JAG]

Wait 'till one of the "instructors£ goes sick......

[mtls2005]

They love their hazing here.

 

On the plus side, in the event of injury medical help is on hand.

 

 

[MrMo]

And so they should complain.   Can you imagine the fuss and uproar the generals would make should it be suggested that they attend an intelligence course ?

 

[lucjoker]

27 minutes ago, JAG said:

Wait 'till one of the "instructors£ goes sick......

he will experience the elephant-needle up his ass.......it will

encourage  team spirit,lol

 

[lucjoker]

7 minutes ago, MrMo said:

And so they should complain.   Can you imagine the fuss and uproar the generals would make should it be suggested that they attend an intelligence course ?

 

No, no uproar ........they wouldn't understand the word 'intelligence"

[mark01]

Better get used to it Thai people.

The army is in control now and he's lovin' in....!

[BigBadGeordie]

Got to earn those "Para" wings they all wear somehow.

[atyclb]

Submariner training would be most appropriate

[Artisi]

24 minutes ago, atyclb said:

Submariner training would be most appropriate

What do you get to wear for submarine training, a dorsal fin or two? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Another day, another laugh... (crying....)  

[Artisi]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Another day, another laugh... (crying....)  

April fools day every day. 

[garvon]

This is a preface for all newly elected politicians to allow them to undertake this discipline before they qualify to take the seat in parliament.

Dr Pisit is a disgrace to his profession.

[Lupatria]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

“I felt terrible and abused, because the trainers, who were soldiers, insulted us and used bad words to address us. I suffered both physically and mentally and I did not see any benefit from this kind of training.”

She should have known the difference between attending an encounter group in an ashram and being trained to serve in a new North Korea.

[ThailandLOS]

Poor little fragile flowers - they didn't sign up for this when daddy paid their Uni tuition.

 

And it might become relevant sooner than they think.

[55Jay]

LOL, not like doctors and nurses would ever find themselves in a BKK hell hole, downrange from Royal Thai Army's rifles and tear gas......  Oh wait!  

 

I "get" the idea here but these folks aren't in the military.  Even if they were or were going to be, 2 of 5 days is not enough to achieve "discipline, harmony, and endurance" ; moreover, from a gaggle of civilian medicos who aren't down for this kind of unnecessary shit.   The unprofessional Thai Army NCO Baboons can scream at them until they are blue in the face, you're not achieving anything except maybe get a few of the snowflakes to squirt some tears.  That'll be good for a few laughs at least.

 

The knobhead in charge quoted in the article is saying, "I had to do it, so do you, so suck it up, buttercup".  Lights are on but nobody's home.  Whether the training is useful or not, is immaterial.

Edited May 27, 2017 by 55Jay

[Moti24]

" ...military-style training exercises, such as running through a blaze, night jungle trekking and crawling under barbed wire."

 

Is that the blaze they are complaining about in the picture!  ****in pussies!  I've had bigger bar-b-q flames!

[YetAnother]

what garbage, the program should not be the focus; yes, it is asinine; the real issue is the mentalities of the folks 'in power' ordering this; they are radically out of touch

[Black arab]

Not alot of harmony then!

[Gandtee]

6 hours ago, harada said:

Preparing them for the battlefield ?

If the junta continues like this then sooner than you think.

[metisdead]

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