May could lose majority in UK parliament - YouGov study in The Times

[nausea]

JC's trying for a miracle; the question is will he turn water into wine, or wine into water.

[ResandePohm]

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

I assume that you tried to say put an end to the UK as it was constituted , whatever that means. But it is the UK constitution that has been abused by joining the EEC in the first place by Treasonous Ted.  

What UK constitution are you refering to? The UK does not have a written constitution unless you are refering to the Magna Carta but even that is not a constitution. So what is it that you think has been abused by joining the EEC which is only an Economic Union and thus is there to boost trade between member states. Ted lead us into the EU which is a totally different organisation.

 

It is Brexit that is going to destroy UK not the EU. Scotland will be first to leave the UK followed by NI who will almost certainly join Eire.

[SheungWan]

12 hours ago, KBsinter said:

J.C was recently interviewed by the BBC regarding a childrens allowance scheme she asked him 

how much is the cost,and he did not know !! he started to look in his phone for the figuresI tand still could not come up with a number,he later disclosed at another venue it was 6 billion. I think..............

Woman's Hour interview. He was evasive and not impressive at all.

[SheungWan]

13 hours ago, partington said:

It can hardly be reduced, but a 20 to maybe 35 majority is on the cards. Then she will be got rid of, fairly quickly, by the Tory backroom boys.

 

The good thing is that proper social democratic policies have been put forward by the Labour Party, and shown to be popular, and that JC, far from being the incompetent extremist depicted by the Press,  is a likeable, quietish old stick who actually believes in Labour policies, rather than diluted Thatcherism.

 

Anyone who believes that Labour is hard left: David Owen, ex -SDP leader, recently said Labour's policies were now like the SDP,  and made a donation to the Labour Party.*

 

*caveat: I read this in a comments section underneath a Guardian article, and have not verified it.

That's the first time I have read an Orthodox Trotskyist described as a 'likeable, quietish old stick'.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, nausea said:

JC's trying for a miracle; the question is will he turn water into wine, or wine into water.

He can't even turn water into water.

[vogie]

13 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Astute move by JC. May's reputation is being reduced by the day. If she comes out of this with a reduced majority I trust she will resign.

Ones things for sure if Corbyn loses, he will not!

Edited June 1, 2017 by vogie

[bert bloggs]

I predict that may will win with a larger majority ,any takers?

Corbyn and Abbot are idiots , 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, bert bloggs said:

I predict that may will win with a larger majority ,any takers?

Corbyn and Abbot are idiots , 

And the electorate are fickle, Corbyns manifesto belongs in La La Land and Mrs Mays manifesto was all too brutally honest.

[the guest]

Corbyn as Prime Minister? I suppose the UK could join the ranks of other countries like the USA, (if they want to be come a laughing stock that is).

[Grouse]

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40031017

 

Anyone interested in the real issues should take the time to read this.

[Scott]

Off-topic post reported and removed.  

[stevenl]

Many studies will show different things, but I don't find the outcome of this one very believable.

[billd766]

On 31/05/2017 at 10:00 AM, brewsterbudgen said:

You're probably right...

 

It is.

 

My Mum told me that donkeys years ago and she never told me any fibs.

[champers]

May looks like she has aged 10 years in 2 weeks, Corbyn looks like he is almost enjoying the process. He has the Tories on the run and the SNP and LibDems can sniff a coalition in the air. They would limit any ultra extreme policies of the  Labour party. One certainty: taxes will rise.

[Retiredandhappyhere]

13 hours ago, pegman said:

How about you taking a step back to figure out why that is. Maybe, just maybe, no party has a solution to achieving a successful Brexit because there isn't one. Your toast but too stubborn to realize your toast. There is one way out and one way only and you will not for a second contemplate it because you would then be required to admit a mistake. As we all know a proper Englishman would never steep so low as admiring a mistake. The only question remaining is depression or huge recession once the EU financial industry leaves for Frankfurt?   

More of the doom and gloom as forecast immediately after the Brexit vote, which did not materialise.  Britain has been successful before without the EU and will be again. There will be substantial compromises on both sides in the Brexit negotiations, as, contrary to your beliefs, the EU does not hold all the cards, as time will tell.  Britain is leaving the EU, not applying for membership, so it is unrealistic for the EU to set the ridiculous pre-conditions presented so far.

[partington]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

That's the first time I have read an Orthodox Trotskyist described as a 'likeable, quietish old stick'.

Is Orthodox Trotskyist your personal invention? Do they wear big hats?

 

He's not that, but must be a bit likeable...

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2017 by partington

[dick dasterdly]

On 5/31/2017 at 11:08 AM, RuamRudy said:

I suspect that you are right, but I cannot help but think that the article in the Times comes with full CCHQ backing - panic mode at the realisation that the predicted shoo-in has fallen flat on its face; now scare the Tory voters into turing out. I fully expect wall to wall photos of Corbyn with Gerry Adams dominating the airwaves for the next week.

Seems likely.

 

I receive emailed 'headlines' from the DT every day - and they're pretty much all geared around 'Corbyn is appalling for x reason'.

Edited June 1, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[RuamRudy]

4 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Seems likely.

 

I receive emailed 'headlines' from the DT every day - and they're pretty much all geared around 'Corbyn is appalling for x reason'.

This is obviously high level observation stuff of the type that most non-politicos (myself included) can relate to - I am sure that there are more adept analysts on TV who can maybe rebuff some of the guy's text, but in the main I think it is resonating with a lot of people. 

 

This Facebook Comment About the UK Election Is Going Viral

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, partington said:

Is Orthodox Trotskyist your personal invention? Do they wear big hats?

 

He's not that, but must be a bit likeable...

 

Those who don't know what an Orthodox Trot is, yet seemingly able to deny that Cuddly Corbyn is one is a risible logic but never mind.  I would really prefer to think that those who identify on the Left are able to distinguish some of the different historical strands in the socialist movement rather than parading their lack of knowledge around on a big placard.

Edited June 1, 2017 by SheungWan

[vogie]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Those who don't know what an Orthodox Trot is, yet seemingly able to deny that Cuddly Corbyn is one is a risible logic but never mind.  I would really prefer to think that those who identify on the Left are able to distinguish some of the different historical strands in the socialist movement rather than parading their lack of knowledge around on a big placard.

Brilliant, just brilliant.

[ilostmypassword]

8 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

More of the doom and gloom as forecast immediately after the Brexit vote, which did not materialise.  Britain has been successful before without the EU and will be again. There will be substantial compromises on both sides in the Brexit negotiations, as, contrary to your beliefs, the EU does not hold all the cards, as time will tell.  Britain is leaving the EU, not applying for membership, so it is unrealistic for the EU to set the ridiculous pre-conditions presented so far.

Why do we have to wait for time to tell us what are those cards that Britain holds? Can't you tell us now?

[SheungWan]

8 hours ago, champers said:

May looks like she has aged 10 years in 2 weeks, Corbyn looks like he is almost enjoying the process. He has the Tories on the run and the SNP and LibDems can sniff a coalition in the air. They would limit any ultra extreme policies of the  Labour party. One certainty: taxes will rise.

Corbyn doesn't do 'enjoy'. Nor would he be able to manage a coalition with the SNP or LibDems. Hell, he can't even manage his own party.

[baboon]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Those who don't know what an Orthodox Trot is, yet seemingly able to deny that Cuddly Corbyn is one is a risible logic but never mind.  I would really prefer to think that those who identify on the Left are able to distinguish some of the different historical strands in the socialist movement rather than parading their lack of knowledge around on a big placard.

Well come on. Educate using your own words and quite possibly win a few converts...

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, baboon said:

Well come on. Educate using your own words and quite possibly win a few converts...

I really must assume that the average forum reader and contributor here has the ability to look up Orthodox Trotskyism on at least Wikipedia without us immediately descending into the arcane flora and fauna of the hard left. However even though its been a long time and the stuff has been long buried in a deep deep cave deep within the recesses of my fading memory banks I will, at least for a few moments, desist from dragging it all out. The bigger picture though is this: the extremist hard left doesn't get a pass just as the extremist hard right doesn't. Identifying oneself (or being identified as) a member of either is not the equivalent of being a football supporter. Just as Marine Le Pen's National Front deserved to get stick for its unpleasant roots,  Jeremy Corbyn doesn't get a free pass for what he is trying to obscure under his coat. Mind you, buy me a few beers and I will start boring you about OT and Transitional Demands and Popular Frontism. It might send you to sleep though........

Edited June 1, 2017 by SheungWan

[onthesoi]

14 hours ago, champers said:

May looks like she has aged 10 years in 2 weeks, Corbyn looks like he is almost enjoying the process. He has the Tories on the run and the SNP and LibDems can sniff a coalition in the air. They would limit any ultra extreme policies of the  Labour party. One certainty: taxes will rise.

 

It would make an interesting little triad. ...way better than Maybot's wrong and feeble leadership.

Edited June 1, 2017 by onthesoi

[steve187]

On 5/31/2017 at 4:17 AM, pegman said:

May and her Cons deserve to be bounced from governing. It was shear lunacy having that Brexit vote that will surely put on end to the UK as it was constituted and see the rump England stuck in a crippling depression once the EU's financial industry leaves The City for Frankfurt. 

i think the majority of voters on june 8  will not agree with you

[baboon]

5 hours ago, steve187 said:

i think the majority of voters on june 8  will not agree with you

More is the pity..

[RuamRudy]

26 minutes ago, baboon said:

More is the pity..

I saw this map this morning. It shows just how sick our country has become - poisoned by the hatred and lies of the right wing media that has our government and the dull witted people who vote for them by the short and curlies. But JC wears a hat that looks somewhat socialist, and his contacts with the IRA were caught on camera, unlike all the Tories who deftly avoided the cameras, so let's vote for the party that puts the interests of their rich friends above ours.

 

We say we love the NHS but let's vote for the party that is actively trying to sell it off.

We say that we want the bankers to pay for causing the financial crisis, but let's vote for the party that has put the burden squarely upon us - and let us continue to pay of the eye watering deficit that the tories have racked up, shoring up the creaky edifices to greed that their rich friends and donors created.

We happily pour bucket of iced water over our heads to show our support for those afflicted with illness and disease, but let's vote for the party that had to suppress their own report which showed that their Victorian approach to forcing the sick and ill off benefits has directly led to thousands of unnecessary deaths.

 

Turkeys voting for Christmas doesn't even come close to describing how I feel about the UK voters at the moment.

Edited June 2, 2017 by RuamRudy

[baboon]

25 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I saw this map this morning. It shows just how sick our country has become - poisoned by the hatred and lies of the right wing media that has our government and the dull witted people who vote for them by the short and curlies. But JC wears a hat that looks somewhat socialist, and his contacts with the IRA were caught on camera, unlike all the Tories who deftly avoided the cameras, so let's vote for the party that puts the interests of their rich friends above ours.

 

We say we love the NHS but let's vote for the party that is actively trying to sell it off.

We say that we want the bankers to pay for causing the financial crisis, but let's vote for the party that has put the burden squarely upon us - and let us continue to pay of the eye watering deficit that the tories have racked up, shoring up the creaky edifices to greed that their rich friends and donors created.

We happily pour bucket of iced water over our heads to show our support for those afflicted with illness and disease, but let's vote for the party that had to suppress their own report which showed that their Victorian approach to forcing the sick and ill off benefits has directly led to thousands of unnecessary deaths.

 

Turkeys voting for Christmas doesn't even come close to describing how I feel about the UK voters at the moment.

Amen.

[SheungWan]

41 minutes ago, baboon said:

Amen.

And I say 'Oh Gawd'. Much as I may fear the negative effect of Brexit, I think it would pale into insignificance compared to the economic damage under a Corbyn government. And what really gets my goat are (OK I will say it) the dishonest or should we say self-delusional efforts of some of the sad and soggy vague leftists on this forum who are vainly spinning an image of Corbyn as some sort of cuddly idealist. Maybe because that is how they see themselves.