Two who killed man for iPhone sentenced to death

[brewsterbudgen]

And something like this happen to The wives or children of some of the anti-capital punishment fans here,  They would be singing a very different tune.

Nonsense. There are plenty of people who have had family members murdered who object to the death penalty. I would 100% be one of them. Hopefully I will never have to prove it.

[joeyg]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

Nonsense. There are plenty of people who have had family members murdered who object to the death penalty. I would 100% be one of them. Hopefully I will never have to prove it.

OK hypothetically, hypothetically, hypothetically. You Come into your home and God for bid witness someone just finishing killing your wife and children. What action would you take?

[brewsterbudgen]

OK hypothetically, hypothetically, hypothetically. You Come into your home and God for bid witness someone just finishing killing your wife and children. What action would you take?

Call the police while doing my best to restrain the killer.

Not that your question is relevant as we're discussing State sanctioned, legal executions not manslaughter.

[J Smith]

19 hours ago, Moti24 said:

It was all premeditated.  The 2 of them were in it together; "Accessory to murder at best"?  There's no "BUT" about it!  The sooner these oxygen thieves get their just dessert, the better.

How can you establish it was "premeditated"????  Of course conspiracy to rob was but any half average brief could cause doubt that <deleted> number two knew nothing of him having a knife.  Not like I give a stuff though, ` less scumbag and it won't be me starting a 'go fund me' account for sh1thouse number two's defense. 

[Harold the Great]

On 5/31/2017 at 0:03 PM, Prbkk said:

But of course it doesn't act as a deterrent, proven time after time around the world. It might meet the need for vengeance, might make people feel safer...but it will not serve any useful purpose .

Of course it acts as a deterrent. Two killers are no longer on this planet able to kill anyone else. How much more of a deterrent do you need. Bring on the next killers and remove them from the planet along with all of the other killers. Soon we will be waiting and waiting for anyone to kill someone desperately wishing to kill another killer and listening to the likes of you complain no one is killing anyone anymore. Hunger survives, its called the strong over the weak. Can't you possibly flip your liberal view to the possibility that when you finally find a vaccine against a disease that the disease is eradicated or should we continue to fester with the disease until it overtakes us. 

The useful purpose is to expose weaknesses by which you have been exposed. Another weak liberal without any clear sound judgement or solution other than speculation. How misguided are you along with the other "likes"! Kindest regards from the promoter of "gnashing of the teeth" & "eye for an eye" You make it too easy to point out your the weak, time and time again around the world. Maybe all the weak that died in the world protecting everyone during the world wars have proved time after time that killing the enemy gave us our freedom and your ability to even discuss matters.

Thank you for your misguided comments although I respectfully acknowledge your point of view and freedom of speech.  

[futsukayoi]

On 5/31/2017 at 0:03 PM, Prbkk said:

But of course it doesn't act as a deterrent, proven time after time around the world. It might meet the need for vengeance, might make people feel safer...but it will not serve any useful purpose .

It is 100% effective at preventing the common situation where people re-offend after being released.

[JustNo]

3 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

actually the vast majority of the us has a murder rate in line with fully developed nations and many of the murders take place in inner cities in specific small neighborhoods on the low end of the socio economic ladder... you can look at chicago as an example of a big city with one pocket where a large percentage of violent crime occurs. other cities like east st. louis are small and full of violent crime.  avoid those areas and you're not likely to be affected by violent crime.  

And what? So Countries in Europe don't have major cities? I can say the same thing for places such as a village in rural England, you can leave your house unlocked and go out for a week, and expect to come back with everything in it's place.

It's not difficult to see that the death penalty is not much of a deterrent; tally up the countries that use it and then see their murder rate; then tally up the countries that don't  use it and see their murder rate. Countries that still use it are not developed socially, and are still backwards when regarding modern day society 

Edited June 1, 2017 by JustNo

[daveAustin]

Fair enough, but they've likely only got this sentence because they're nobodies. If you're a somebody in Thailand and do wrong, the law doesn't really apply.

[JustNo]

3 hours ago, joeyg said:

And something like this happen to The wives or children of some of the anti-capital punishment fans here,  They would be singing a very different tune.

That's not true for everybody. Just because you do not wish for somebody to die because they have caused a loved one of yours to die, doesn't mean you love them less. In fact it means you have compassion for yourself to not become ridden with anger, vengeance and all of those ugly things. Sure you will experience these ugly emotions, but if you can rise above them and not let them engulf you, you have then transcended stooping down to that ugliness of revenge and killing. 

Edited June 1, 2017 by JustNo

[Artisi]

16 hours ago, tomta said:

Humans are fallible. The death sentence is irreversible. Therefore, it should never be used. 

 

until such times as it was part of your close family that ended up murdered for a trinket.   

[Catkiwi]

1 hour ago, Harold the Great said:

Of course it acts as a deterrent. Two killers are no longer on this planet able to kill anyone else. How much more of a deterrent do you need. Bring on the next killers and remove them from the planet along with all of the other killers. Soon we will be waiting and waiting for anyone to kill someone desperately wishing to kill another killer and listening to the likes of you complain no one is killing anyone anymore. Hunger survives, its called the strong over the weak. Can't you possibly flip your liberal view to the possibility that when you finally find a vaccine against a disease that the disease is eradicated or should we continue to fester with the disease until it overtakes us. 

The useful purpose is to expose weaknesses by which you have been exposed. Another weak liberal without any clear sound judgement or solution other than speculation. How misguided are you along with the other "likes"! Kindest regards from the promoter of "gnashing of the teeth" & "eye for an eye" You make it too easy to point out your the weak, time and time again around the world. Maybe all the weak that died in the world protecting everyone during the world wars have proved time after time that killing the enemy gave us our freedom and your ability to even discuss matters.

Thank you for your misguided comments although I respectfully acknowledge your point of view and freedom of speech.  

Jeez Harold, someone else that needs to switch to Coke Zero. I agree with your opinion on getting rid of all the killers but you went off on a bit of a rant there.... Maybe try wearing looser underpants

[off road pat]

On 5/31/2017 at 7:18 AM, smutcakes said:

Just goes to show justice can be served. Although it also goes how different the serving of justice can be. On the one hand a callous murder has ended with a quick sentencing, on the other a callous running over of an officer of the law is 4-5 years old and still no action. (Again it has suddenly gone very very quiet. Would be worth finding out whether Thailand did actually file anything with Interpol or just talked a lot and waited for it to blow over again)

As much as I also want justice to be served, These are to completely different cases, one is a blatant murder and the other is a accident with fatal consequences.

 

[smutcakes]

Just now, off road pat said:

As much as I also want justice to be served, These are to completely different cases, one is a blatant murder and the other is a accident with fatal consequences.

 

Do we know it was an accident? Allegedly dragging someone 100 meters down the road under the car seems more like anger than an accident where one would stop.

 

Anyway pure speculation, but to an extent the point still stands IMO.

[AGLV0121]

On 5/31/2017 at 1:03 AM, Prbkk said:

But of course it doesn't act as a deterrent, proven time after time around the world.

 

I d want to have statistics about this. I am interested in this subject , can find independent ones. But if you already have researched...

TIA

[brewsterbudgen]

until such times as it was part of your close family that ended up murdered for a trinket.   

Why would that make a difference? If you oppose the death penalty, as I do, you oppose it under all circumstances.

[Prbkk]

2 hours ago, Harold the Great said:

Of course it acts as a deterrent. Two killers are no longer on this planet able to kill anyone else. How much more of a deterrent do you need. Bring on the next killers and remove them from the planet along with all of the other killers. Soon we will be waiting and waiting for anyone to kill someone desperately wishing to kill another killer and listening to the likes of you complain no one is killing anyone anymore. Hunger survives, its called the strong over the weak. Can't you possibly flip your liberal view to the possibility that when you finally find a vaccine against a disease that the disease is eradicated or should we continue to fester with the disease until it overtakes us. 

The useful purpose is to expose weaknesses by which you have been exposed. Another weak liberal without any clear sound judgement or solution other than speculation. How misguided are you along with the other "likes"! Kindest regards from the promoter of "gnashing of the teeth" & "eye for an eye" You make it too easy to point out your the weak, time and time again around the world. Maybe all the weak that died in the world protecting everyone during the world wars have proved time after time that killing the enemy gave us our freedom and your ability to even discuss matters.

Thank you for your misguided comments although I respectfully acknowledge your point of view and freedom of speech.  

I'm guessing this means you're not coming over to commune over a pot of organic herbal tea and to weep and wail a bit watching replays of the Hillary rallies?

[chainarong]

Consistency in sentencing and indeed the whole legal process seems or should say,  is, rather lopsided in Thailand , there's one law for one and another law for others, within the legal system world wide,  there is opinion and indeed in  OZ it has been studied and documented, that harsh measures don't stop any particular crime,  the only ones that resist this are the law makers , who generally get a berth in parliament on the back of  law and order .....................

Edited June 1, 2017 by chainarong

[Prbkk]

5 hours ago, Trouble said:

What's wrong with vengeance? If all goes right they won't be around to commit another murder and that's a deterrent in and of itself.

It's quite reasonable for the public to be outraged but vengeance? Maybe the desire for vengeance is a legitimate , natural feeling for the families but I wouldn't have thought it normal for someone without an emotional involvement. I feel outrage and would want to see these 2 in jail for decades, if not forever. This was a despicable crime.

[Harold the Great]

16 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

It's quite reasonable for the public to be outraged but vengeance? Maybe the desire for vengeance is a legitimate , natural feeling for the families but I wouldn't have thought it normal for someone without an emotional involvement. I feel outrage and would want to see these 2 in jail for decades, if not forever. This was a despicable crime.

After loosening my belt and a nap I see the confusion continues as written above and I denounce its normal for someone without an emotional involvement to want vengeance. I have absolutely no ties with this death but I can assure you that if these two are proved guilty,  I demand they be killed and if thats called vengeance in the liberal word so be it. Capital, (vengeance) punishment is simply common sense. We don't have to spend any money for years and years keeping a killer alive and there is no chance of that person ever repeating it again.The public gets the message, the killers family gets the message. We all have more money to spend on educating and prevention. Its called common sense and emotions have nothing to do unless your a liberal or tree hugger. The crime committed is a crime period. Laws are broken and therefore sentence needs to be given and enforced. If one kills another person and is proven to do so then death will be given to that person. Not very complicated. I appreciate your opinion and value everyones for that matter as I learn yet I urge you to tighten your belt and pull up your socks and try and step up to the plate with a little more structure and a little less "what the world needs now" and feelings. I was never brushed with a liberal wand as I can see clearly and think for myself without the need to involve emotion and feelings in all aspects of a decision. It's so much more efficient to simply use facts. Try it, you find you have more time left over to hug trees lol. Thanks for your comments and response though I enjoyed them. 

[Ramen087]

3 hours ago, JustNo said:

And what? So Countries in Europe don't have major cities? I can say the same thing for places such as a village in rural England, you can leave your house unlocked and go out for a week, and expect to come back with everything in it's place.

It's not difficult to see that the death penalty is not much of a deterrent; tally up the countries that use it and then see their murder rate; then tally up the countries that don't  use it and see their murder rate. Countries that still use it are not developed socially, and are still backwards when regarding modern day society 

They do.  I'm just telling you that geographically, violent crime is in a very small area in the USA.  I don't give a rip about comparisons to other nations. 

[tominbkk]

22 hours ago, speedtripler said:

Its a crazy world where people even pay over a few hundred dollars for a piece of apple garbage.... 

Well I don't agree with that.  I've use apple and android and by far apple is vastly superior in design, technology and joy to use over android.  Plenty of cheaper phones out there and nothing wrong if you can't afford the professional product that apple produces.

[Prbkk]

1 minute ago, tominbkk said:

Well I don't agree with that.  I've use apple and android and by far apple is vastly superior in design, technology and joy to use over android.  Plenty of cheaper phones out there and nothing wrong if you can't afford the professional product that apple produces.

Yes, nice toys they are but all of us would hand them over in a heartbeat if confronted by monsters such as these killers. For the boy who was killed the phone was probably a very significant expenditure and a cherished possession, so he was not going to give it up lightly. Such a dreadful thing to happen.

[Catkiwi]

13 minutes ago, tominbkk said:

Well I don't agree with that.  I've use apple and android and by far apple is vastly superior in design, technology and joy to use over android.  Plenty of cheaper phones out there and nothing wrong if you can't afford the professional product that apple produces.

Peculiar how we go off on these tangents isn't it? What does the brand of phone have to do with this horrible, needless death? Perhaps they wouldn't have killed the poor kid if he only had  a Samsung.....

[Maggusoil]

On 5/31/2017 at 0:59 PM, saakura said:

The sentence should be carried out immediately.

In public? Go the whole way.

[FruitPudding]

45 minutes ago, Maggusoil said:

In public? Go the whole way.

Better than them doing it again 15 years from now.

 

[tropo]

9 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Nonsense. There are plenty of people who have had family members murdered who object to the death penalty. I would 100% be one of them. Hopefully I will never have to prove it.

Let's add some torture, rape and children to the equation and see if you're still against it.

 

It's easy to talk about things from a distance, but up close and personal you'll sing a different tune.

[tropo]

12 hours ago, JustNo said:

I personally feel safer in countries without capital punishment. For example, Switzerland, UK, Germany, etc etc etc. You know, where the murder rate is lower. 

For example the US has a murder rate that falls into the category of a developing nation. Here are just a few numbers PER CAPITA: 

US murder rate - 3.9 

Japan murder rate - 0.3 

Iran murder rate - 3.9 

Israel murder rate - 1.7 

Switzerland murder rate - 0.5 

Germany murder rate - 0.9 

Egypt murder rate - 3.4 

Sudan murder rate - 6.4 and so forth.. 

The US murder rate also dwarfs many developing nations, like Iraq, which has a murder rate less than half of the US. More than half of the most deadly mass shootings documented in the past 50 years around the world occurred in the United States, and 73 percent of the killers in the U.S. obtained their weapons legally. 

It's a bit of a stretch suggesting that the murder rate in the US is because of capital punishment. You're just making it up to fit in with your theory.

 

Did you consider the possibility that the murder rate in the US could have been much higher if there was no capital punishment?

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Let's add some torture, rape and children to the equation and see if you're still against it.
 
It's easy to talk about things from a distance, but up close and personal you'll sing a different tune.

Nope. Incarceration for life, which should mean life, is more appropriate. The death penalty, in my view, is counter-productive and, thankfully, like almost all governments in Europe believe, just brings us down to the same level as the criminal. As someone who has been actively involved with Amnesty International in the past, my mind is pretty much fixed on this.

[tropo]

46 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Nope. Incarceration for life, which should mean life, is more appropriate. The death penalty, in my view, is counter-productive and, thankfully, like almost all governments in Europe believe, just brings us down to the same level as the criminal. As someone who has been actively involved with Amnesty International in the past, my mind is pretty much fixed on this.

Lifetime incarceration?  

 

How many criminals serving lifetime sentences stay in jail for life?

[Maggusoil]

52 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Nope. Incarceration for life, which should mean life, is more appropriate. The death penalty, in my view, is counter-productive and, thankfully, like almost all governments in Europe believe, just brings us down to the same level as the criminal. As someone who has been actively involved with Amnesty International in the past, my mind is pretty much fixed on this.

Yes, on an island. That means exile from the human population that is at risk because of your acts. However. Crimes of passion are understood in many courts another way. A far cry from premeditated murder. However again. Murder is murder and the incarceration and the conditions of incarceration should fit the type of murder. Murdering a 5 year old, for example like Paul Scully in an act of brutal commercialism and satiation of impulses so vile they defy the imagination, should invoke incarceration for life along with deprivation, or added punishments. Yes?  No?