Keep your gates closed! Dog owners told to be more responsible after another little girl is savaged by a vicious pet dog

[wildewillie89]

10 hours ago, sambum said:

From Wikipedia:-

"This breed will be affectionate with its family, will get along well with children and a properly socialized dog will be very gentle with smaller children."

 

Depends how it's been brought up, I suppose!

I think so. If brought up the 'Thai' way, then it will  more than likely bite out of fear. Like the dogs running up to you all aggressive wanting to bite you but with their tails between their legs. Even the hardest of breeds are based on some sort of mutual respect, if you try and break them they will break you or someone else back. 

Maybe the dog associated with one of the kids who was in the group, maybe the girl was playing rough in the dogs eyes, maybe the dog was not properly bred/raised. Many potential variables we will never know. Either way the dog should have been playing behind a gate, and the girl should have been playing behind the gate. 

[Keesters]

Neutering/spaying costs. Pattaya city vets charge a very reasonable 350 for a male, 500 for a female. They get few customers. But on the day they offered it FREE the place was packed with hundreds of customers. Private vets came along on that day to help out. They even put on a show.

 

Thailand needs many more events like that.

 

[YetAnother]

On 7/3/2017 at 8:41 AM, webfact said:

and said he would pay for the necessary treatment.

even IF he does pay, it is a small punishment; thai law has a large gaping hole in it

[Rimmer]

A baiting troll post and a reply has been removed

[Catkiwi]

13 hours ago, sambum said:

From Wikipedia:-

"This breed will be affectionate with its family, will get along well with children and a properly socialized dog will be very gentle with smaller children."

 

Depends how it's been brought up, I suppose!

Surprised to hear that they are supposed to be good with kids. I think you hit the nail on the head there with them needing to be properly socialised. A bit like some of the people on TV

[Happyman58]

30 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

Ok but that wasnt how I read it. My mistake but still entitled to my opinion, as you are. 

 

30 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

Ok but that wasnt how I read it. My mistake but still entitled to my opinion, as you are. 

 

30 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

Ok but that wasnt how I read it. My mistake but still entitled to my opinion, as you are. 

Guess i have to explain things different Nobody really would know that Aussies call dogs Mongrels  Like the favourite saying when a dog barks at night " Shut up you bloody Mongrel" I never would call a human being a Mongrel Its is not nice But i would call a dog a mongrel especially when they bite 6 year old girls As you can see that dog in Australia would of being put down for doing that God what annoys me so much he offered to pay the bill and end of matter What about the mental state that poor little girl will be in for the rest of her life. That is what annoys me The law has to be changed and start doing something about these attacks

[jak2002003]

15 hours ago, Momofarang said:

For no reason?? Ok Thailand is great for the Freedom we enjoy here and the lack of petty laws. 

 

Looks like you've never been here, or never had to keep a visa alive.. I found your post hilarious, so I tried to have a bit of fun myself. But now I come to realise that you didn't try to be funny.

 

I therefore sincerely apologize.

I have been here 12 years full time. I speak, read and write Thai.  I have not had a visa problem ever.  I like it much more here than back in the UK... where I was not even allowed to burn some leaves in my garden without neighbours calling the council and getting a fine.  Had to separate rubbish into about 5 different containers.. otherwise face fines.  I could not keep chickens, or dig a well for water.  I was not allowed to sell the fruit off my own trees or even give it away to people on the street.  Could not listen to music outside without someone complaining... and the list goes on. 

 

Anyway apology accepted.  Have a good day. 

[Rimmer]

Some troll, and flames have been removed also replies

[Chivas]

Absolutely no one should keep dogs if they cant control them. The dog will be destroyed obviously but the owner should be hit with 100,000 baht fine with the amount made clear on local tv to deter others

Personally my view is there should be police and sniffer dogs plus guide dogs. No need for any others to exist

Edited July 5, 2017 by Chivas

[katana]

On 03/07/2017 at 6:54 AM, SiamBeast said:

I've never seen the point of owning a dog here. The streets are full of them, and by owning one you just create nuisance barking, poop, and danger. Many houses have "beware of the dog" signs, but if you need to warn your guests that your dog is dangerous, then why do you have a dog?

The beware of the dog sign is often used to deter potential burglars.

I knew someone once who didn't even have a dog but had the sign for that reason.

[David Walden]

3 hours ago, katana said:

The beware of the dog sign is often used to deter potential burglars.

I knew someone once who didn't even have a dog but had the sign for that reason.

When I was a young Man in I worked in the claims dept of a large insurance company.  We covered people for public risk and other things.  Putting a sign on your house gate "beware of the dog" was regarded that you were admitting you have a dog that might attack people and cause injury.  If that dog that was clearly dangerous and did attack some one the insurance company would not pay any claims to 3 parties made against you as you were breaking the law and you new the dog was dangerous and may attack.  Some people like to have a savage dog  especially in Thailand, if it bites some one you just say it belongs to some one else or better still, to no one at all.  That's one way to get away with paying compensation in Thailand.

[wildewillie89]

23 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

So true David I consider Humans more important than dogs But here they think dogs have equal rights as humans I have no doubt if that  dog had attacked someone in Australia like that that dog would not be alive today. 2 Rottweilers just recently attacked somebody in Australia   Those dogs are no longer with us God rest there souls That is the way it should be Human life over Dog life

I think it is the other way around. Yes, maybe they cannot put the dog to sleep due to religious principles (I am not sure), however, that doesn't mean the people actually believe the two lives are equal. Look at how the dogs are treated in the first place that makes way for this sort of fear aggressive behaviour (beaten, tied, starved, disease ridden, in constant pain etc). I think in Australia the dogs are put on a similar respect level to human life, that is why people put the effort into, one, keeping the dog healthy and pain free, two, making sure it is fenced/leashed, and three, teaching the dog bite inhibition. 

 

Maybe the problem is that it is human over dog life here in Thailand in practice, but equal in terms of rights regarding death. 

[Happyman58]

12 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

I think it is the other way around. Yes, maybe they cannot put the dog to sleep due to religious principles (I am not sure), however, that doesn't mean the people actually believe the two lives are equal. Look at how the dogs are treated in the first place that makes way for this sort of fear aggressive behaviour (beaten, tied, starved, disease ridden, in constant pain etc). I think in Australia the dogs are put on a similar respect level to human life, that is why people put the effort into, one, keeping the dog healthy and pain free, two, making sure it is fenced/leashed, and three, teaching the dog bite inhibition. 

 

Maybe the problem is that it is human over dog life here in Thailand in practice, but equal in terms of rights regarding death. 

You are so right  The dogs are roaming the streets It would be more humane to pick them up and put them to sleep and let them suffer How often do people get puppies for xmas present and when the novelty wears off the dog starts roaming the street I dont think people realize how much work there is in keeping a dog I had one before i came here Husky  Had to give him away when he was 9 That was hard but he went to a great home and he is still alive today at 11

 

 

[LannaGuy]

1 hour ago, wildewillie89 said:

I think it is the other way around. Yes, maybe they cannot put the dog to sleep due to religious principles (I am not sure), however, that doesn't mean the people actually believe the two lives are equal. Look at how the dogs are treated in the first place that makes way for this sort of fear aggressive behaviour (beaten, tied, starved, disease ridden, in constant pain etc). I think in Australia the dogs are put on a similar respect level to human life, that is why people put the effort into, one, keeping the dog healthy and pain free, two, making sure it is fenced/leashed, and three, teaching the dog bite inhibition. 

 

Maybe the problem is that it is human over dog life here in Thailand in practice, but equal in terms of rights regarding death. 

The religious argument is very LAME considering they consume meat which is killed 'By Proxy' for them. 

[Happyman58]

2 hours ago, David Walden said:

When I was a young Man in I worked in the claims dept of a large insurance company.  We covered people for public risk and other things.  Putting a sign on your house gate "beware of the dog" was regarded that you were admitting you have a dog that might attack people and cause injury.  If that dog that was clearly dangerous and did attack some one the insurance company would not pay any claims to 3 parties made against you as you were breaking the law and you new the dog was dangerous and may attack.  Some people like to have a savage dog  especially in Thailand, if it bites some one you just say it belongs to some one else or better still, to no one at all.  That's one way to get away with paying compensation in Thailand.

Listen to this one Dave  I was going to the Dentist with my Thai wife  We went across the street to buy some food and the the food seller had 3 dogs Small but they went for me trying to bite me  So i kicked one in the head to stop him from biting me Next minute the food seller tried to attack me for kicking his dog I said to him Mate its me or the dog Answer i got back If he bite you  i pay for doc bills like needles I said so its ok for him to bite me He said Yes That is what the mentality of the people who own dogs here is If that was my dog in Australia i would try and stop the dog from trying to bite someone Here it seems to be ok  What would you do if you were attacked by a dog ? Would you defend yourself?

By the way the dog was ok and it did stop him from biting me Just was my reaction i guess

[wildewillie89]

11 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

Listen to this one Dave  I was going to the Dentist with my Thai wife  We went across the street to buy some food and the the food seller had 3 dogs Small but they went for me trying to bite me  So i kicked one in the head to stop him from biting me Next minute the food seller tried to attack me for kicking his dog I said to him Mate its me or the dog Answer i got back If he bite you  i pay for doc bills like needles I said so its ok for him to bite me He said Yes That is what the mentality of the people who own dogs here is If that was my dog in Australia i would try and stop the dog from trying to bite someone Here it seems to be ok  What would you do if you were attacked by a dog ? Would you defend yourself?

By the way the dog was ok and it did stop him from biting me Just was my reaction i guess

I think that is not the common theme of the place necessarily. You are allowed to defend yourself and your dog if attacked. I have physically gone and pulled a larger dog off my in-laws Goldren Retriever (fighting) and threw it across the road. No neighbours showed any sort of disgust at the action. If we go for a walk my wife will take a stick and to tell other peoples dogs to go away with the stick in front of the owner (if we don't take our dog with us). One dog bit me, and the owner got rid of their dog due to the fact it did bite me. Just depends on the person really. Many are reasonable and many are not, but that woman was just an idiot it seems. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by wildewillie89

[superal]

" A dog is a mans best friend " is true for sure and  a dog can be a brilliant , faithful , life long companion . When they pass away it is the same feeling as losing a family member . However what we have with the soi dogs is so different . Through a lack of responsibility for the control of soi dogs there are no go areas especially early morning and night . I have been attacked by  packs of soi dogs on two occasions , luckily evading injury but it put an end to my walking in these areas . When I moved into my home there was a pack of soi dogs who would growl and bark at me ferociously so I decided to befriend them . When I say soi dogs not quite correct as they all had owners but were left to roam the streets . Rightly or wrongly I regularly  fed them scraps to which they became accustomed . The leader of the pack was a vicious fighter  and I had seen him several times fighting 2 or 3 dogs at a time . He was never a family dog and unapproachable but over the next few months he became friendly to me to the point where I could rub his head . He eventually became a lodger and would sit with me in the evenings at beer time and sleep under my truck .  

    What amazes me is the neglect of care and welfare for the dogs from the authorities with many a dog undernourished  or sick . Since the halt to the  dog meat trade 3 years ago  there has been a marked increase  in the number of soi dogs . I believe that a cull is inevitable and with it I hope some new legislation to be introduced for the good of the people and dogs .

     All neighbouring Asian Buddhist countries do not have these dog problems , it is safe to use their streets at all times . So why is Thailand so different and why is it tolerated by the Thai people ?

[perthperson]

1 minute ago, superal said:

Rightly or wrongly I regularly  fed them

You Sir are part of the problem.  Feeding these animals effectively removes any 'right' to complain.

[Momofarang]

8 minutes ago, superal said:

" A dog is a mans best friend " is true for sure and  a dog can be a brilliant , faithful , life long companion . When they pass away it is the same feeling as losing a family member . However what we have with the soi dogs is so different . Through a lack of responsibility for the control of soi dogs there are no go areas especially early morning and night . I have been attacked by  packs of soi dogs on two occasions , luckily evading injury but it put an end to my walking in these areas . When I moved into my home there was a pack of soi dogs who would growl and bark at me ferociously so I decided to befriend them . When I say soi dogs not quite correct as they all had owners but were left to roam the streets . Rightly or wrongly I regularly  fed them scraps to which they became accustomed . The leader of the pack was a vicious fighter  and I had seen him several times fighting 2 or 3 dogs at a time . He was never a family dog and unapproachable but over the next few months he became friendly to me to the point where I could rub his head . He eventually became a lodger and would sit with me in the evenings at beer time and sleep under my truck .  

    What amazes me is the neglect of care and welfare for the dogs from the authorities with many a dog undernourished  or sick . Since the halt to the  dog meat trade 3 years ago  there has been a marked increase  in the number of soi dogs . I believe that a cull is inevitable and with it I hope some new legislation to be introduced for the good of the people and dogs .

     All neighbouring Asian Buddhist countries do not have these dog problems , it is safe to use their streets at all times . So why is Thailand so different and why is it tolerated by the Thai people ?

And here we talk about stray dogs, or somewhat neglected house dogs. On my rides around Buriram I have come across packs of feral dogs, and believe me this is a frightening experience. I am prepared to handle the snakes, not these vicious parasites, which are the product of laziness and stupidity.

[superal]

13 minutes ago, perthperson said:

You Sir are part of the problem.  Feeding these animals effectively removes any 'right' to complain.

Yes I understand and agree with you but the dogs that I fed were neighbours dogs that had places to stay and were not strictly soi dogs which I did mention . 

[wildewillie89]

I think a vet was interviewed regarding the attack, and said something along the lines of make yourself look big and growl at the dog. Yeah, because a little girl is really capable of doing that. He redeemed himself a little bit by saying that the dogs that do attack have either been beaten by their owners or overly spoiled by them. ..so it was a little bit of a hint and moving forward. Unfortunately, it is strong messages need to be sent out, not half-arsed messages by a vet. 

[Morch]

7 hours ago, katana said:

The beware of the dog sign is often used to deter potential burglars.

I knew someone once who didn't even have a dog but had the sign for that reason.

 

When I was a kid, we had dogs that were the most fearsome in the neighborhood. We were "that family with the dogs".

There was no sign, and the one time someone did burglar the house, the dog's (we were down to one by then) barking was ignored. But that one was the aggressive to  canine, friendly to people sort. Thing is that the reputation stuck years after my parents stopped keeping dogs.

 

Same thing with another neighbor. Was cleaning his hunting rifle early morning before heading out (or after coming home). One warning shot, burglar cowering on the ground "don't kill me". Version I heard years later was that there were three burglars and that they were all shot...

 

[oldhippy]

As much as I like to bash religion (I am a fundamentalist atheist hehehe), I think that religion has very little to do with the attitude of many Thais towards dogs.

 

I seem to remember similar things from my childhood days in Europe.

Lack of education would be the common denominator.

 

[Happyman58]

2 hours ago, wildewillie89 said:

I think that is not the common theme of the place necessarily. You are allowed to defend yourself and your dog if attacked. I have physically gone and pulled a larger dog off my in-laws Goldren Retriever (fighting) and threw it across the road. No neighbours showed any sort of disgust at the action. If we go for a walk my wife will take a stick and to tell other peoples dogs to go away with the stick in front of the owner (if we don't take our dog with us). One dog bit me, and the owner got rid of their dog due to the fact it did bite me. Just depends on the person really. Many are reasonable and many are not, but that woman was just an idiot it seems. 

Yep i take a stick also when i walk your wife is spot on 

[metisdead]

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[YetAnother]

On 7/3/2017 at 8:41 AM, webfact said:

and said he would pay for the necessary treatment.

not enough penalty 

[David Walden]

On 7/11/2017 at 11:06 AM, Happyman58 said:

Listen to this one Dave  I was going to the Dentist with my Thai wife  We went across the street to buy some food and the the food seller had 3 dogs Small but they went for me trying to bite me  So i kicked one in the head to stop him from biting me Next minute the food seller tried to attack me for kicking his dog I said to him Mate its me or the dog Answer i got back If he bite you  i pay for doc bills like needles I said so its ok for him to bite me He said Yes That is what the mentality of the people who own dogs here is If that was my dog in Australia i would try and stop the dog from trying to bite someone Here it seems to be ok  What would you do if you were attacked by a dog ? Would you defend yourself?

By the way the dog was ok and it did stop him from biting me Just was my reaction i guess

A dog lovers lament....

Now I know I'm a bit of an exhibionist but on my morning walks along 6/8 km of Cha-am beach, when I get to near the bridge on the way to the  fishing boat harbour there are about 50 to 100 of the most obnoxious  mongrel looking soi dogs that belong to no one, some are often seen attacking or biting tourists and that's each day, there are many more around town in other areas (like Southern Cha-am Beach or everywhere.  When walking I carry a 5 ft  good whacking stick which I whack on the ground and shout loudly at any dog that come near, they run???  5555.   I also sometimes take aim at any shady looking dogs with one of the up to 4 nice size rocks I carry in my pocket... I wear solid shoes which are very good for kicking dogs if need be ( not yet).  All the Thais with food carts etc. nearby think this is funny, I do also but yes/no, yes/no.  I have managed so far not to get bitten.  Two friends did get bitten not long ago, one in Cha-am and one in Ban Phae.  It cost Bt5000.00 for a course of anti rabies injections one at Cha-am Hospital and one at Rayong Hospital...good way for the hospital to help pay their bills.  I think that is perhaps the motive??? Hmmmm  5555 

 

PS... Most tourists in Cha-am are not as silly as me, they have given up morning walks ( and afternoon walks also)   TIT only in Thailand...still love the place.  I will fight the good fight.

[David Walden]

I you really want to get rid o soi dogs in Thailand consult the Vietnamese...they don't have stray dogs there  "I wonder why" 

[wildewillie89]

On 11/07/2017 at 11:27 AM, oldhippy said:

As much as I like to bash religion (I am a fundamentalist atheist hehehe), I think that religion has very little to do with the attitude of many Thais towards dogs.

 

I seem to remember similar things from my childhood days in Europe.

Lack of education would be the common denominator.

 

I think you are right. Took a vet having to tell some of my friends here that cooked bones are not good for dogs to eat. Not to mention they actually think the 90% rice diet is doing good for the dog. And we wonder why most dogs have shocking coats and deformities in their limbs...mostly due to the diet I believe. I wash my dog once a year here and the locals cant seem to understand why my dog looks different from theirs. 

[YetAnother]

On 7/3/2017 at 8:41 AM, webfact said:

Thai people online urged dog owners to be more responsible

that will have ZERO effect; sounds like a good thing to do but wont impact anything;need laws and penalties