Teacher Candidates Demand English Requirements Be Reduced

[IAMHERE]

On 7/6/2017 at 6:56 PM, z42 said:

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The rot starts at the top and nobody gives a flying one.. TIT  ?

I'm pretty sure that is because money at the top doesn't rot, just increases.

[rijb]

Tell them to make their "demands" in English.

[Machiavelli]

12 hours ago, thequietman said:

I can't agree with you Dick. Rambling -  lengthy and confused or inconsequential. I don't feel that my post conveys confusion on my part and it certainly isn't consequential. Everything that I typed is fact.

A racket to pickpocket Thais - from the director of the schools point of view, maybe yes. Thai's stealing from Thai's - maybe yes.

 

Suggesting that it is the foreign teachers fault that English teaching here is poor - then, NO.

Bet you are confusing facts and opinions Susan. Your rambler was anything but facts. "Native speakers" are not teachers!  " Native speaker" is not a an academic qualification. It's a racket qualification. If you think you are qualified to teach English because you come from England then every Thai is qualified to teach Thai! Like a typical "native speaker" you didn't forget to blame the school director. I am eagerly waiting for your rambling response.....teacher.

[JAG]

15 hours ago, 1SteveC said:

 

Confused a little, can you explain or give example of how an adverb of frequency changes when going from the active to the passive voice ?

Theydon'y. That was not really the point I was trying to make.

[thequietman]

17 minutes ago, Machiavelli said:

Bet you are confusing facts and opinions Susan. Your rambler was anything but facts. "Native speakers" are not teachers!  " Native speaker" is not a an academic qualification. It's a racket qualification. If you think you are qualified to teach English because you come from England then every Thai is qualified to teach Thai! Like a typical "native speaker" you didn't forget to blame the school director. I am eagerly waiting for your rambling response.....teacher.

Clearly you are trolling but I will bite one last time.

 

The Thai Ministry of Education sets the parameters for what the requirement is to teach in schools under their jurisdiction, not me or any other native English 'teacher.'  They stipulated that if the NES has a bachelors degree and sufficient experience, a clear background check and is not insane or otherwise mentally unstable, then they may take up the position of English teacher.  Their rules, not the NES.

 

Therefore if you meet the above requirements and are trying to complete additional  qualifications in the hope of a full teachers licence, then YES, these NES are referred to as English teachers. 

 

In European countries for example a TEFL/TESL is required as well as being a NES and guess what ! You are permitted to teach.

 

I have a masters degree and currently work at a government university as a lecturer (Ajarn), so YES, I am called a teacher and am qualified to do this job.

 

The above are all facts, or am I rambling again Richard. I am also not English. Go figure.

[1SteveC]

6 minutes ago, JAG said:

Theydon'y. That was not really the point I was trying to make.

 

"Granted you dont need to know all the ins and outs of adverbs of frequency in the passive voice, ( just as well really because few of us do), "

 

There are no "ins and outs" for adverbs of frequency in the passive voice, and yet you claim to know them !

 

You were trying to look clever, (that was your point), and you got caught out.

 

:-)

[JAG]

21 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

"Granted you dont need to know all the ins and outs of adverbs of frequency in the passive voice, ( just as well really because few of us do), "

 

There are no "ins and outs" for adverbs of frequency in the passive voice, and yet you claim to know them !

 

You were trying to look clever, (that was your point), and you got caught out.

 

:-)

No, I was illustrating a point in the course of a discussion. A point which  I have made a few times before, The point was that understanding simple grammar is a prerequisite to speaking a language.

 

Now if you wish to take that perhaps silly illustration, which I admit I did not think deeply about before I used it, and in turn use it to demonstrate how remarkably clever you are (some might also say pedantic) then go ahead. I wasn't trying to look clever, you are.

Edited July 8, 2017 by JAG

[EnlightenedAtheist]

On 7/6/2017 at 7:07 PM, carlyai said:

Yes, rot from the top.
I filled in at a good Thai school years ago.
The lady that was in charge of the English department was not great with her English skills, then one day I read a thesis written by her for her master's degree obtained in the USA. Brilliantly written. Great command of the English language and great intuition.
Sad to say they couldn't be the same person.

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Sadly, written English and oral English are two different beasts and must be taught separately. It is more difficult to speak any language for a non-native speaker, but English takes the cake. And, it takes a lot more time for a native-speaker to master reading (compared to other languages).

 

 

200 or so ways to spell 44 phonemes with 26 letters is a headache for anyone and, yet, there are ways to make it easier: http://reforming-english.blogspot.com/ This lack of systematicity takes extra time, away from other subjects and confines pedagogies to be more teacher-led than is desired and, usually, at a greater expense, if one wants to maintain respectable literacy levels.

 

What are English speakers willing to do to make learning English much easier for both the next generations of English-speakers and the next groups of non-native speakers wanting to improve their English? I mean wouldn't it be much better for all the English-speaking expats in the world to have fluent young attractive women ready to marry them on the spot and with whom they could actually have a conversation with (assuming it is not just another one-way type, as in "male speaks" and "woman-listens" type)?

 

I am told that Thais are stubborn. Really? It has been 250 years the world has told the Commonwealth that their English spelling system sucks.

 

I am also told that Thais are stupid. (Substitute "Thais" for other nationalities depending on where the expat is.) They do not think things through and not properly, etc. Really? There are no problems in the west?

 

Paradigms must shift, but ONLY, it seems, when someone else must do the shifting,.

 

What have YOU done lately to make this paradigm shift? And, no, spelling is not going to evolve naturally into a coherent system,. especially now that spell checkers and spelling rules on forums are ubiquitous. Only 1.5 billion people on Earth are affected. (Please, do go to the link and read that all of those dialectal excuses and such are just that: excuses.)

Edited July 8, 2017 by EnlightenedAtheist

[rijb]

All languages are filtered through a child's mind.  Learnability is critical.

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, 1SteveC said:

 

Chaucer was 1343-1400, this period was firmly in the Middle English period (1150-1500), not the Old English period ,

Yes im sure you are correct , im far from an expert on the subject. My point was that the English language has constantly evolved and did not need reinvention US style.

[1SteveC]

5 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Yes im sure you are correct , im far from an expert on the subject. My point was that the English language has constantly evolved and did not need reinvention US style.

 

But that is not what you said, how can you make a point based on a falsehood ?

 

(I'm)

[digger70]

On 7/7/2017 at 6:47 PM, 1SteveC said:

 

And if punctuation and capitalisation were important, maybe you would do them correctly, instead of "slagging off" people who, (to me), write English just as appallingly as you.

I Don't claim to speak or write Perfect English.I am Dutch and I don't talk English. I talk Australian mate, Thats where I lived for 40 odd years.so get on yer bike. (:

[1SteveC]

17 minutes ago, digger70 said:

I Don't claim to speak or write Perfect English.I am Dutch and I don't talk English. I talk Australian mate, Thats where I lived for 40 odd years.so get on yer bike. (:

 

There is no language called "Australian".

[1SteveC]

7 hours ago, EnlightenedAtheist said:

Really? It has been 250 years the world has told the Commonwealth that their English spelling system sucks.

 

And yet the Commonwealth only started in 1926 (in its infancy), so about 91 years ago. What 250 year old Commonwealth are you on about ?

[digger70]

Just now, 1SteveC said:

 

There is no language called "Australian".

If you say that,than there is no English and no American Language either.

[tifino]

7 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

There is no language called "Australian".

 Stralyan dialect 

[1SteveC]

4 minutes ago, digger70 said:

If you say that,than there is no English and no American Language either.

 

How ridiculous, there is English, American English and of course Australian English. Do you see the common theme in those? They are either English or variations thereof.

[Machiavelli]

8 hours ago, thequietman said:

Clearly you are trolling but I will bite one last time.

 

The Thai Ministry of Education sets the parameters for what the requirement is to teach in schools under their jurisdiction, not me or any other native English 'teacher.'  They stipulated that if the NES has a bachelors degree and sufficient experience, a clear background check and is not insane or otherwise mentally unstable, then they may take up the position of English teacher.  Their rules, not the NES.

 

Therefore if you meet the above requirements and are trying to complete additional  qualifications in the hope of a full teachers licence, then YES, these NES are referred to as English teachers. 

 

In European countries for example a TEFL/TESL is required as well as being a NES and guess what ! You are permitted to teach.

 

I have a masters degree and currently work at a government university as a lecturer (Ajarn), so YES, I am called a teacher and am qualified to do this job.

 

The above are all facts, or am I rambling again Richard. I am also not English. Go figure.

A university lecturer making less than 400 000 baht a year is the definition of a racket Susan. University lecturers working in the five so called "native speaking" countries  earn at least 1 800 000 baht a year. Tell us Susan, if you are so qualified, why aren't you making the big money? Look, even Thais know its a swindle. No hyperbole from you is gonna change the fact that NES is not a qualification to teach anything! Awaiting incoming rambler....teacher.

[digger70]

2 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

How ridiculous, there is English, American English and of course Australian English. Do you see the common theme in those? They are either English or variations thereof.

C'mon now,If you start this ,Than look at most Languages they have some english words in their language.I could say than that english is a made up language from other languages.this is the End (:

[theguyfromanotherforum]

A university lecturer making less than 400 000 baht a year is the definition of a racket Susan. University lecturers working in the five so called "native speaking" countries  earn at least 1 800 000 baht a year. Tell us Susan, if you are so qualified, why aren't you making the big money? Look, even Thais know its a swindle. No hyperbole from you is gonna change the fact that NES is not a qualification to teach anything! Awaiting incoming rambler....teacher.

NES is a qualification in Thailand. Live with it.

[todlad]

42 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

There is no language called "Australian".

Isn't Aussie English called Strine?

[JAG]

12 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

NES is a qualification in Thailand. Live with it.

 

And when it is combined with a degree and a course in Teaching English as a Foreign Language (TEFL) from an institution  recognised by the Thai Ministry of Education then it is a qualification which allows you to teach English in Thai schools.. That is the ruling from the MOE. Now I fully accept that for reasons which I do not understand or know, you don't think that should be the case, but it is. As the man said, live with it.

 

The money which we earn from it is quite simply our own business, we will all have our own reasons why we are prepared to work for our salaries,; and frankly it is patronising if not downright arrogant to state that because someone does not earn at or above a level which you consider appropriate, then somehow what they do is flawed or not worthwhile or proper. Perhaps you could learn to live with that as well?

[Slip]

4 minutes ago, JAG said:

And when it is combined with a degree and a course in Teaching English as a Foreign Language (TEFL) from an institution  recognised by the Thai Ministry of Education then it is a qualification which allows you to teach English in Thai schools.. That is the ruling from the MOE. Now I fully accept that for reasons which I do not understand or know, you don't think that should be the case, but it is. As the man said, live with it.

 

The money which we earn from it is quite simply our own business, we will all have our own reasons why we are prepared to work for our salaries,; and frankly it is patronising if not downright arrogant to state that because someone does not earn at or above a level which you consider appropriate, then somehow what they do is flawed or not worthwhile or proper. Perhaps you could learn to live with that as well?

The TEFL bit is not required.

[EnlightenedAtheist]

46 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

And yet the Commonwealth only started in 1926 (in its infancy), so about 91 years ago. What 250 year old Commonwealth are you on about ?

Oh! Thanks! Good point! I did not know that! Some people learn something everyday!

 

Now, can we talk about the thesis of the post?  LOL

 

Btw, I forgot to add the US since it is not part of it, as odd as this is. 

[EnlightenedAtheist]

49 minutes ago, 1SteveC said:

 

How ridiculous, there is English, American English and of course Australian English. Do you see the common theme in those? They are either English or variations thereof.

There is a written English that is mostly common to all dialects and there are a variety of dialects that more or less sound the same (apart from minor differences in vowel phonemes, for the most part) and that use a great number of words and idioms that are the same.

[Machiavelli]

31 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

NES is a qualification in Thailand. Live with it.

 

No wonder you teach in Thailand. With that kind of thinking, you are a match made in heaven. The good thing is that most Thais are waking up to this swindle. Thailand acceptance of the NES nonsense as a qualification doesn't make it less of a racket. Every NES teacher i have met knows its all about money. The exception might be if you are working for a university and getting paid less than a Thai anuban teacher. What a laugh.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

No wonder you teach in Thailand. With that kind of thinking, you are a match made in heaven. The good thing is that most Thais are waking up to this swindle. Thailand acceptance of the NES nonsense as a qualification doesn't make it less of a racket. Every NES teacher i have met knows its all about money. The exception might be if you are working for a university and getting paid less than a Thai anuban teacher. What a laugh.

As a non native English speaker from Serbia who doesn't teach in Thailand I find your post a laugh. You have as much say in this matter as a digital nomad being outraged with a 70 year old man having babies with his 19 year old Isaan cutie.

I guess Thai ladies being more educated today than 20 years ago are also waking up to this swindle. In short, get a life. Most Thais can't speak English and they welcome and pay native English speakers accordingly. It's about supply and demand. One would think an old man coming from a capitalistic society would understand that.

[Machiavelli]

2 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

As a non native English speaker from Serbia who doesn't teach in Thailand I find your post a laugh. You have as much say in this matter as a digital nomad being outraged with a 70 year old man having babies with his 19 year old Isaan cutie.

I guess Thai ladies being more educated today than 20 years ago are also waking up to this swindle. In short, get a life. Most Thais can't speak English and they welcome and pay native English speakers accordingly. It's about supply and demand. One would think an old man coming from a capitalistic society would understand that.

 

Back to the same page. Night Dorothy.

[Ivor Edwards]

9 hours ago, rijb said:

All languages are filtered through a child's mind.  Learnability is critical.

"

The best years of your life are the ones in which you decide your problems are your own. 

You do not blame them on your mother, the ecology, or the president.   -  Albert Ellis"

 

Well yes. I agree to a degree, but Albert Ellis was a well-known a$$hole, so whatever he says that might well be true, is automatically considered either a simplistic view, a fortunate accident against the run of play or a cynical misinterpretation. Such is the fate of all a$$holes - just ask the Donald, he knows.

[Puwa]

This article is total clickbait. The headline makes it sound  as if a formal, major campaign were underway, when in fact it was a few disgruntled teachers commenting on a website. Don't be so easily provoked. 

Edited July 8, 2017 by Puwa
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