Trump presses Putin at first meeting on interference in U.S. election

[rooster59]

Trump presses Putin at first meeting on interference in U.S. election

By Roberta Rampton and Jeff Mason

 

U.S. President Donald Trump shakes hands with Russia's President Vladimir Putin during their bilateral meeting at the G20 summit in Hamburg, Germany July 7, 2017. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

 

HAMBURG (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump pressed Vladimir Putin at their first meeting on Friday about Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said.

 

The Russian president has denied any meddling in the U.S. democratic process last year and Moscow has asked for proof that it took place.

 

Trump promised a rapprochement with Moscow during his campaign for the presidency last year. But he has been unable to deliver on that pledge because his administration has been dogged by investigations into the allegations of Russian interference in the election and ties between his campaign and Moscow. Trump says his team did not collude with Russia.

 

Speaking on the sidelines of a G20 summit in Hamburg, Tillerson said the two leaders "had a very robust and lengthy exchange on the subject. The president pressed President Putin on more than one occasion regarding Russian involvement".

 

"The two leaders agreed that this is a substantial hindrance in the ability of us to move the Russian-U.S. relationship forward," Tillerson told reporters.

 

They agreed to work on commitments of "non-interference in the affairs of the United States and our democratic process as well as those in other countries", he added.

 

The face-to-face encounter was one of the most eagerly anticipated meetings between two leaders in years.

 

Trump and Putin spoke through translators with their respective foreign ministers present for six minutes before reporters were allowed into the room for their statements. Afterwards the reporters were ushered out and the meeting continued.

 

"President Putin and I have been discussing various things, and I think it's going very well," Trump told reporters, sitting alongside the Russian leader.

 

"We've had some very, very good talks. We're going to have a talk now and obviously that will continue. We look forward to a lot of very positive things happening for Russia, for the United States and for everybody concerned. And it's an honour to be with you."

 

Putin, through a translator, said: "We spoke over the phone with you several times," adding: "A phone conversation is never enough."

 

"I am delighted to be able to meet you personally, Mr. President," he said, noting that he hoped the meeting would yield results.

 

Both men sat with legs splayed. Trump listened intently as Putin spoke.

 

The meeting lasted more than two hours and U.S. first lady Melania Trump came in at one point to urge them to conclude, Tillerson said.

 

Before the meeting, some feared the Republican president, a political novice whose team is still developing its Russia policy, would be less prepared for the talks than Putin, a former KGB agent who has dealt with the last two U.S. presidents and scores of other world leaders.

 

Amid criticism of Russia's actions in Ukraine and Syria and the investigations into its role in the U.S. campaign, Trump has come under growing pressure to take a hard line against the Kremlin.

 

On Thursday, Trump delivered some of his sharpest remarks about Moscow since becoming president, urging Russia to stop its "destabilising activities" and end its support for Syria and Iran.

 

But Trump stopped short on Thursday of any personal criticism of Putin and declined to say definitively whether he believed U.S. intelligence officials' assertion that Russia had interfered in the 2016 U.S. election.

 

"I think it was Russia but I think it was probably other people and/or countries, and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure,” Trump said on a visit to Poland.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-07-08

[mesquite]

Good for Trump!  This is no apology tour.

[sirineou]

Sure he did 'cause we all know Trump would never lie.

 

For all we know they played canasta  for an hour, while laughing about all the money they will make if they could lift the sanctions and  Exxon could finally develop the Kara oil fields. 

[pegman]

Seems the American handlers sent in Trump's escort, er I mean wife, after an hour to stop the damage. This is the Russian side of what happened about the election interferance which I believe. Putin owns this guy.

 

"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Mr Trump had accepted Mr Putin's assertions that his country was not responsible."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40539725

 

 

[boomerangutang]

My dad would say, "never send a boy to do a man's job."

 

 

[charmonman]

2 hours ago, mesquite said:

Good for Trump!  This is no apology tour.

Definitely not an apology tour. More like a Thank You Very Much tour - to Vladimir Putin for helping to get him elected.

[Searat7]

Trump should have told Putin and Lavrov that he would accept their assertions about no involvement in last year's USA elections if they took lie detector tests....those 2 guys are the biggest liars I have ever seen.

[boomerangutang]

Trump to Putin,  "Hi. Ok, I'm supposed to say something about the election-meddling thing."

 

Putin; "Yes, I know.  Well go ahead and say something."

 

Trump; "I just did, ha ha ha."

 

[Rancid]

Is it just me or am I the only one that would like to actually see some proof that Russia was able to influence the US elections?

 

Because the claims about Hillary's emails were denied by Wikileaks as being Russian, but said it was a Democrat insider. Many suggest the guy that was murdered.

 

If they prove it, then OK, time to start attacking the Russians as fair game, so why haven't they? Or is media innuendo and unsubstantiated hearsay what we take as truth these days?

[tonray]

27 minutes ago, Rancid said:

Is it just me or am I the only one that would like to actually see some proof that Russia was able to influence the US elections?

 

Because the claims about Hillary's emails were denied by Wikileaks as being Russian, but said it was a Democrat insider. Many suggest the guy that was murdered.

 

If they prove it, then OK, time to start attacking the Russians as fair game, so why haven't they? Or is media innuendo and unsubstantiated hearsay what we take as truth these days?

Proof ?

 

The allegation was that Russia attempted to influence the election via various methods. It has not been said that they were successful but their attempts constitute a grave attack on our election process. 

 

As far as proof, every Intelligence agency in the USA has seen and analyzed the data and all agree that they did.

 

Not good enough ? Get a Top Secret security clearance (Trump's daughter Tiffany is still single....) and you can have access to the data too.

[tominbkk]

Up to Trump now to deny that he accepted Putin's claim of no involvement in meddling.

 

 

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[pegman]

1 hour ago, Searat7 said:

Trump should have told Putin and Lavrov that he would accept their assertions about no involvement in last year's USA elections if they took lie detector tests....those 2 guys are the biggest liars I have ever seen.

Their both amateurs compared to Trump.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Both men sat with legs splayed.

You see the size of my balls? Huh? Well do ya,... punk?

 

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The meeting lasted more than two hours and U.S. first lady Melania Trump came in at one point to urge them to conclude

Or, "Hey! Wrap it up! I have some urgent retail therapy scheduled!"

"...or just give me your bloody credit card!"

 

56 minutes ago, Rancid said:

Or is media innuendo and unsubstantiated hearsay what we take as truth these days?

Wow! Can't you just say 'fake news'?

[retarius]

59 minutes ago, Rancid said:

Is it just me or am I the only one that would like to actually see some proof that Russia was able to influence the US elections?

 

Because the claims about Hillary's emails were denied by Wikileaks as being Russian, but said it was a Democrat insider. Many suggest the guy that was murdered.

 

If they prove it, then OK, time to start attacking the Russians as fair game, so why haven't they? Or is media innuendo and unsubstantiated hearsay what we take as truth these days?

The US routinely meddles with the elections of other countries and decides who gets top jobs following regime change. Remember Victoria Nuland's leaked 'Yats is our man" "We've spent $5 billion to get to this, F the EU."

[Opl]

 

credit: David Rowe ( Financial Review)

Edited July 8, 2017 by Opl

[Becker]

1 hour ago, Searat7 said:

Trump should have told Putin and Lavrov that he would accept their assertions about no involvement in last year's USA elections if they took lie detector tests....those 2 guys are the biggest liars I have ever seen.

I'd say the man-child could give them a run for their money.

[Scott]

A post making allegations of 'fake news' has been removed.   Be aware that generally a warning is issued.  

 

Fake news that is news that is made up.   A story may be incorrect, but calling it fake is trolling.

 

 

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Trump to Putin,  "Hi. Ok, I'm supposed to say something about the election-meddling thing."

 

Putin; "Yes, I know.  Well go ahead and say something."

 

Trump; "I just did, ha ha ha."

 

and you know nothing, nooooothinnnnng, OK ?

[IMA_FARANG]

Every country in the world, long before digital computers were even imagined, has used some method of trying to influence the population of another country to do what the first country wanted the 2nd country to do.

Sometimes these attempts worked sometimes they didn't work.

These days it is just that the means to influence another country is automated through computer and "social networks" such as Facebook and Twitter.

I f you go back in history you will see the evidence of an ORGANIZED effort by the Nazi  propaganda machine to convince Britain  and the U.S. of the Jewish conspiracy directed against those two countries.

 

Nothing new, I can remember in the late 1950's a person telling me that the then Soviet Union was organizing a planned military invasion of the U.S.

He was a member of  the  "John Birch  Society".

Look it up on the internet if you don't know what I am talking about.

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

36 minutes ago, IMA_FARANG said:

Every country in the world, long before digital computers were even imagined, has used some method of trying to influence the population of another country to do what the first country wanted the 2nd country to do.

Sometimes these attempts worked sometimes they didn't work.

These days it is just that the means to influence another country is automated through computer and "social networks" such as Facebook and Twitter.

I f you go back in history you will see the evidence of an ORGANIZED effort by the Nazi  propaganda machine to convince Britain  and the U.S. of the Jewish conspiracy directed against those two countries.

 

Nothing new, I can remember in the late 1950's a person telling me that the then Soviet Union was organizing a planned military invasion of the U.S.

He was a member of  the  "John Birch  Society".

Look it up on the internet if you don't know what I am talking about.

 

 

Still, I don't recall Winston Churchill or FDR being chummy for Hitler and questioning criticism of him.

[JHolmesJr]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Both men sat with legs splayed. Trump listened intently as Putin spoke.

Typical media nonsense….i saw some jerk on sky analysing the way they shook hands.

 

Apparently, Trump played "submissive because he offered his palm facing up and did not yank putin around.

 

They are just clutching at straws because no one is talking to them.

[NanLaew]

35 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Typical media nonsense….i saw some jerk on sky analysing the way they shook hands.

 

Apparently, Trump played "submissive because he offered his palm facing up and did not yank putin around.

 

They are just clutching at straws because no one is talking to them.

This is probably Trump's first handshake since he got totally owned at his own 'grab, squeeze, pull and tug' game by Macron. Probably still got the bruising from that one.

[boomerangutang]

When joining hands with Putin, Trump didn't jerk him off his chair.  Trump is now presidential.

 

Trump shook hands with Merkel, weeks after famously not shaking hands with her at a WH press encounter, when Merkel offered to shake hands with him.   He's soooo Presidential.

 

Trump tweeted about Podesta, and only had five factual errors in the tweet, but he didn't have 7 errors, so again, he's presidential.

 

Within a minute, during questioning by a journalist in Poland, Trump ranted about unfair news media while also blaming Obama for not doing anything about Russia-meddling info (which, of course, is untrue).  Within that same minute, Trump both denied and agreed in Russian meddling in the election.  But Trump didn't specifically mention female newscasters bleeding.   Therefore Trump is improving.  He's so presidential.

[boomerangutang]

4 hours ago, Rancid said:

Is it just me or am I the only one that would like to actually see some proof that Russia was able to influence the US elections?

Because the claims about Hillary's emails were denied by Wikileaks as being Russian, but said it was a Democrat insider. Many suggest the guy that was murdered.

If they prove it, then OK, time to start attacking the Russians as fair game, so why haven't they? Or is media innuendo and unsubstantiated hearsay what we take as truth these days?

                                  There are lots of proofs.  Some of which we've seen (Roger Stone communicating with Gucifer2, Flynn meeting secretly with Russian agents at several venues, Kushner asking Russian agents for direct line to the Kremlin, while circumventing US intel, Manafort taking money for favors, .....the list is long).  Yet you and I both know that the FBI and the Special Counsel (and possible also the various Congressional Committees) have shitloads of incriminating evidence.  

 

                         Those of us paying attention have seen lots already, .....but there's a whole lot more yet to come down the tubes, not least is what happened at the clandestine meeting in the Seychelles Islands between Trump operative (De Vos' husband) and Russian agents.   There are also connections to Dutch and German banks which famously deal with laundered money.   There's a Treasury Dept investigation into Trump and Kushner's money laundering.  Even Bannon and Pence aren't clear.   If you don't want to follow the news (or choose to believe all of it is fake) then that's your choice.   The truth will come out, or at least I hope it will, despite Trump's mega-efforts to stifle investigators as much as he possibly can. 

 

                            Note: there's also fake news coming from insidious right wingers which (they hope) will trick newscasters into reporting.  Thereby, when it's shown it's fake (after it's reported), those newscasters will be forced to step down, as happened with 3 NY reporters last week.  

 

It's yet another dirty trick by right-wingers to try and lessen the number of journalists.

 

 

[dunroaming]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

HAMBURG (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump pressed Vladimir Putin at their first meeting on Friday about Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said.

Well I almost died laughing when I read this!  Just how stupid do the Trump boys think we all are?

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

 Roger Stone communicating with Gucifer2,

 

…..clandestine meeting in the Seychelles Islands between Trump operative (De Vos' husband) and Russian agents.  

 

Note: there's also fake news coming from insidious right wingers which (they hope) will trick newscasters into reporting.  Thereby, when it's shown it's fake (after it's reported), those newscasters will be forced to step down, as happened with 3 NY reporters last week.  

 

It's yet another dirty trick by right-wingers to try and lessen the number of journalists.

 

 

555555555555……..LOL.

[iReason]

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"The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies —

the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,

the Central Intelligence Agency,

the Federal Bureau of Investigation and

the National Security Agency."

 

^^^^ Not good enough for you?

 

You Trumpeteers are so desperate...

(your first link goes nowhere BTW) Page not found

 

Their official report here:

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

 

Key Judgments:

 

"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election."

 

"Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

 

"We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

 

 

No worries, while the Trumpeteers whine on, the wheels of justice continue to turn.  

 

America already is great. A nation of laws. And that ideal will prevail.  There will be no pandering to a small minority of uninformed voters who were conned by a huckster.  This abomination who has infested the White House will be removed.

Just a matter of time...

 

Especially when Mike "has a story to tell' Flynn starts singing like a canary.

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[Andaman Al]

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Trump Won't Admit Russian Meddling, Strengthening Putin's Hand

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-07/trump-won-t-admit-russian-meddling-strengthening-putin-s-hand

 

It seems Trump just can't bring himself to be tough with Putin. Mueller will find out why !! Trump is dissing his own intelligence agencies in front of the man that was in charge of Russias spy agencies. All Putins christmases have come at once. Trump is a traitor.

 

It seems Lavrov was a little more honest about what was said in the meeting.

 

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/143769/trump-putin-collusion-happening-plain-sight

 

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Tillerson stated that the two countries will now focus on how to “move forward” from their “intractable disagreement” about what happened during the election. They even agreed to set up a joint working group on cybersecurity, which must be prompting howls of laughter among the Russian hackers who worked so hard to infiltrate America’s democratic infrastructure.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/trump-putin-election-meddling-accepts-claims-russian-hacking-g20-meeting-rex-tillerson-a7829871.html

 

 

Quote

He (Lavrov) said Mr Trump pushed him on the issue and that Mr Putin stood firm in his denial.

“I think the president is rightly focused on how do we move forward from something that may be an intractable disagreement at this point,” Mr Tillerson said.

 

In his own briefing to reporters, Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said Mr Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia did not meddle in the election."The [issue of cybersecurity] got a lot of attention, which is understandable," Mr Lavrov said. "President Trump mentioned that in the US, some circles are fuelling - even though they cannot prove [anything - the allegations of Russian meddling in the US elections."

 

Trump- Treachery- Traitor

[boomerangutang]

                                    I've watched several news shows assessing what happened at the meeting.  All the mainstream media talking heads agree that Trump lost, big time.  The only thing Trump pressed was the flesh on the palm of his hand against the flesh of Putin's hand.  Figuratively, Trumped pressed his big head against Putin's bare butt and gave big kisses.   Every pundit watching the meeting has agreed, in various ways, that Putin came out of that meeting on top, and Trump faltered badly. 

 

                                    Russia gained 10 points.   The USA slipped down 10 points.   That's a 20 point spread, advantage; Russia (and Syria's Assad).   Trump wants everyone to think he's a great negotiator.   Yea, maybe he's good, when it comes to negotiating not paying taxes or not paying back loans, or not paying back investors in his failed businesses - but he's abysmal when he tries negotiating with Putin.

 

 

 

 

[Thaidream]

Trump's visit to Europe this time was sure better than the last time . He didn't piss off anyone further than he already has and he didn't push anyone out of the way although his Podesta tweets from Europe made no sense. 

 

He still refuse to accept the fact that Russians hacked into the American election and tried to influence it.  There is much more to this story that will be revealed.

 

Now he come back to America and let's  see him tell his team and the Republicans to scrap their ridiculous healthcare bill. At last glance- Trump wanted them to repeal and replace later which is the worst scenario. A better one would be to go to the Democrats and work out a compromise with everyone having their input. The best scenario would be Medicare for everyone. How about doing something for the American people instead of posing for pictures and sending out midnight tweets.