Red shirts reconciled to grim future

[Pridilives]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Ah, yes. You did claim before that only 1% of red shirts were violent. Then you said less than 1% when challenged for a source for your claims.

 

We are still waiting your source. 

 

 

I use 1% for illustrate very low number be violent.

 

99.9% red AND yellow not corrupt and not violent

99.9% red want democracy

99.9% yellow not want democracy.

 

what is your opinion on above %

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Pridilives said:

I use 1% for illustrate very low number be violent.

 

99.9% red AND yellow not corrupt and not violent

99.9% red want democracy

99.9% yellow not want democracy.

 

what is your opinion on above %

 

Supply your sources, cited.

 

Or is this just your opinion? If so I will give you mine.

[Pridilives]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

Supply your sources, cited.

 

Or is this just your opinion? If so I will give you mine.

Why too scare for answer

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Pridilives said:

Why too scare for answer

 

I'm not scared - of anything. Don't start with the silly insults, and twisting things. That's trolling. 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I'm not scared - of anything. Don't start with the silly insults, and twisting things. That's trolling. 

That's their go to move. 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, ChidlomDweller said:

This thread is starting to be a dead horse being flogged, so I'm outta here.

 

Robblok, you did give me a good chuckle with your portrayal of the popcorn man, making him sound like a righteous bloke who was only blocking an election, like it's the most normal thing to do. 

Yes you right. This topic has degenerated into a slanging match of "you say" and "I say" and a Mexican standoff. Imho the UDD is an important aspect of the road to better democracy for Thailand. They are the only organized resistant against the sakdina system that have not improved the country well being. Previously we have the student activists and some academicians taking up the challenge and offered some kind of resistance which were brutually put down. The UDD carried that fight now at a heavy costs to them but credit to them, they have not relented. Democracy need them or Thailand will be overrun by power crazy elites and the military and Thailand will forever be the sick man of Asia. 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Yes you right. This topic has degenerated into a slanging match of "you say" and "I say" and a Mexican standoff. Imho the UDD is an important aspect of the road to better democracy for Thailand. They are the only organized resistant against the sakdina system that have not improved the country well being. Previously we have the student activists and some academicians taking up the challenge and offered some kind of resistance which were brutually put down. The UDD carried that fight now at a heavy costs to them but credit to them, they have not relented. Democracy need them or Thailand will be overrun by power crazy elites and the military and Thailand will forever be the sick man of Asia. 

You are as misguided, they just want their place at the feeding through and they use violence to get there. If they are the best chance for Thailand then we are all doomed. 

[Pridilives]

31 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Many posters on here have been here a long time, and lived through the events, and saw and read things at that time. 

 

Were you here then? 

 

Because your somewhat one sided view suggests otherwise.

I was born Bangkok and never live anywhere but Bangkok. This mean what. Everything I say right because I Bangkok more than you. Silly way to think. Fact is fact regardless how long stay Bangkok. 

 

Only side I stay is side fact. If have proof something I always accept. Problem you never give proof just opinion and innuendo. Give some fact.

[Pridilives]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

You are as misguided, they just want their place at the feeding through and they use violence to get there. If they are the best chance for Thailand then we are all doomed. 

No. They use elections to get into government. 

You maybe doom. Thai people gonna be just fine

[metisdead]

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[candide]

32 minutes ago, robblok said:

Righteous man, are you crazy.. the guy killed an innocent. I was happy he was jailed. But he was only brought in as a response to the bombing and shooting of yellows in the Chang Wattana area. Charlem and the CAPO did not want to protect them. (of course not he wanted them gone and secretly supported the reds). The yellows were at a protest site when they were engaged and attacked by the reds.. then a firefight happened an and innocent got killed. That is a bit different from.. going to a protest site.. driving in pickup trucks and lopping grenades among protesters and shooting.. and in the process killing 2 kids and a few others. Later cheering about it on a political meeting.. See the difference.. one is in defense (wrong too) while the other is purely offensive. 

 

 

In line with a previous comment by Chidlomdweller: because it happened frequently in Thai history, some people consider blocking elections and rioting to put into power an unelected government as "normal" forms of peacefull protest! The fact that yellow protesters were the first on the voting site doesn't make their presence more legitimate.

Your post could even be interpreted as suggesting that the police should have protected the protesters blocking voting stations, thus helping them to block democratic elections.

Edited July 24, 2017 by candide

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

In line with a previous comment by Chidlomdweller: because it happened frequently in Thai history, some people consider blocking elections and rioting to put into power an unelected government as "normal" forms of peacefull protest! The fact that yellow protesters were the first on the voting site doesn't make their presence more legitimate.

Your post could even be interpreted as suggesting that the police should have protected the protesters blocking voting stations, thus helping them to block democratic elections.

Point is they were attacked by the reds, and a firefight was the result of that. The Capo and police should have protected the protesters before so the pop corn man would not have been hired as a guard. They did not and let the red terrorists (i think an accurate description as terrorist also bomb innocent people and kill kids) attack the protesters each night. The police are the ones that can use violence the army can too.. it was not upon the reds to take matters into their own hand they were the ones attacking the position. 

[AGareth2]

18 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

They used elections to gain power and rule

is that not what it is all about?

Democracy

[AGareth2]

36 minutes ago, robblok said:

we are all doomed. 

who is the we?

Thai nationals

or expats

or everyone?

[Eric Loh]

35 minutes ago, robblok said:

You are as misguided, they just want their place at the feeding through and they use violence to get there. If they are the best chance for Thailand then we are all doomed. 

Cool down Rob. You are so emotionally fired up that you misspelled trough. Jatuporn only has 8.4 m baht declared assets. Not much of a feeding when compare to Suthep's 95 m baht. UDD is relevant to Thai politics and maybe just there to annoy you. 

[candide]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Point is they were attacked by the reds, and a firefight was the result of that. The Capo and police should have protected the protesters before so the pop corn man would not have been hired as a guard. They did not and let the red terrorists (i think an accurate description as terrorist also bomb innocent people and kill kids) attack the protesters each night. The police are the ones that can use violence the army can too.. it was not upon the reds to take matters into their own hand they were the ones attacking the position. 

Is it surprising in a country in which the army and the judiciary give a free pass to  so-called protesters to block elections and riot to put into power an unelected government?

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

is that not what it is all about?

Democracy

No. 

 

Democracy is using elections to rule for the benefit of the country, not the puppet master who funds your party...

 

There is a difference.

[AGareth2]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

No. 

 

Democracy is using elections to rule for the benefit of the country, not the puppet master who funds your party...

 

There is a difference.

well then democracy probably does not exist

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

well then democracy probably does not exist

It does. 

 

It works if the needs of the country are put before that of one man. 

[AGareth2]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

It does. 

 

It works if the needs of the country are put before that of one man. 

I think you're being a tad naive

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

I think you're being a tad naive

I disagree. 

[AGareth2]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I disagree. 

OK maybe your right

a bit more than a tad

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

OK maybe your right

a bit more than a tad

Now, now, no need to get tetchy because I disagree with you. 

[robblok]

26 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

who is the we?

Thai nationals

or expats

or everyone?

Everyone if the UDD is our best hope. 

[anon789561]

Thailand is ruled by the capital city like many countries around the world. bkk on the most part is yellow. it's run by families. they could be a better option than the reds and that man and his family who's main goal is to make themselves richer. so put the army in charge to keep the peace for now. hopefully democracy and better political leaders will show through. everyone wants peace? at least the yellows do? some have aggreviances that they're not getting a fair deal. I think those in control do want a fair deal for all. just at the same time they don't want anyone questioning their control. who's right? no idea really. but I think the yellows do mean well. the countries in a bit of a transition. hopefully it'll come out the other side well. just an opinion

[metisdead]

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[than]

35 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

well then democracy probably does not exist

 

Some contemporary thinkers, such as Cornelius Castoriadis or Jacques Rancière, consider that representative democracies are only pseudo-democratic, in which the people are effectively dispossessed of effective political power, which in their eyes is held by a small minority of individuals, call the Oligarchy, constituted by politicians (representatives), experts or the economic elite.

There is only one country that is really close to democracy, it is Switzerland.

All important decisions are made to citizens who accept or reject them. Contrary to the referedum which is only advisory (politicians may not accept the decision of the people, the case of France in 2005 on the referendum of the European construction reject by the French but after revised by the European authorities, french politics enforces the treaty).
The result of a vote is binding, since the authorities are obliged to apply the result of the vote regardless of the recommendations they may have made.

 

Edited July 24, 2017 by than

[anon789561]

Just now, Pridilives said:

Bangkok is about 50/50 red/yellow (per election result 2011).

why do you say thanks in main goal is make himself richer. Just opinion I know. But opinion based on what?

the ones that ended peace are on the same side as the army. And remember the army could have bought peace at any time of there choosing. Coup was optional.

why do you say yellow want peace but not say red want peace. Red just want election. Surely election is more peace than street mob.

why you think those in control want fair deal. If want fair deal why so repressive .why section 44, why anti democracy constitution. Why attitude camp. Why censorship?

not sure why you think yellows mean well but up to for opinion

 

I understand what you are saying. just wanted others opinions. i think the 50/50 result was including those that aren't from bkk but live there. I don't want to get into a full blown discussion. haven't got the time. will read the replies as they come. it's getting it out there. how much censorship? you're able to give half an opinion here aren't you ; )

[anon789561]

7 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Bangkok is about 50/50 red/yellow (per election result 2011).

why do you say thanks in main goal is make himself richer. Just opinion I know. But opinion based on what?

the ones that ended peace are on the same side as the army. And remember the army could have bought peace at any time of there choosing. Coup was optional.

why do you say yellow want peace but not say red want peace. Red just want election. Surely election is more peace than street mob.

why you think those in control want fair deal. If want fair deal why so repressive .why section 44, why anti democracy constitution. Why attitude camp. Why censorship?

not sure why you think yellows mean well but up to for opinion

 

there's a lot of people that don't support the royal family in the UK or the whole system there. personally, i'm a royalist. was brought up in the Army. it's how you are brought up that generally makes your opinions. how is that relevant to here? think about it

[Pridilives]

6 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

I understand what you are saying. just wanted others opinions. i think the 50/50 result was including those that aren't from bkk but live there. I don't want to get into a full blown discussion. haven't got the time. will read the replies as they come. it's getting it out there. how much censorship? you're able to give half an opinion here aren't you ; )

Have to vote where house book is. Mean come from north have to go bac vote north. If vote where live huge landslide for red