Caps Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kieranmc said: From Sgt. Robert Brown US Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody. What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it. The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups? Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be reasons for denial. The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around. I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars. If any of your personal issues are a liability that detracts from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors. Who's next in line? One job..Just War? What about Peacekeeping. MACC, MACA, MACP to name but a few more. Maybe different meaning in the states? Splitting hairs maybe, but there is more to the Military than just War and fighting Edited July 27, 2017 by Caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kieranmc said: Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups? Funny, it doesn't mention bone spurs on the heels in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Kieranmc said: From Sgt. Robert Brown US Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody. What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it. <snipped> This is about the 'right' to serve. There are close to 3,000 transgender people currently serving. They were allowed into the military and are now facing possible discharge for not good reason. Oh, it wasn't the military that asked for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andaman Al Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Caps said: 9 minutes ago, Kieranmc said: From Sgt. Robert Brown US Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody. What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it. The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups? Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be reasons for denial. The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around. I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars. If any of your personal issues are a liability that detracts from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors. Who's next in line? One job..Just War? What about Peacekeeping. MACC, MACA, MACP to name but a few more. Maybe different meaning in the states? Splitting hairs maybe, but there is more to the Military than just War and fighting Well looking at it, it is a poorly written piece of crap probably by an armchair warrior who did not even have the imagination to pick a more convincing name then 'Brown'! He could at least have said By Sgt Kawowski or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Kieranmc said: From Sgt. Robert Brown US Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody. What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it. The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups? Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be reasons for denial. The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around. I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars. If any of your personal issues are a liability that detracts from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors. Who's next in line? Does this "Sergeant" actually exist or is "he" some kind of internet virus? You need to source it better, dude. Also in future, LINK to your source, include a very limited amount of text, and don't paste in large chunks of writing that are both not your own and completely unsourced. Giving some kind of possibly fake name doesn't cut it. Also you can't link to another forum post. Yes I know the same paste is going viral on forums. But can't find an actual original source. CAN YOU? Edited July 27, 2017 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I point out that in the past when Colin Powell, was the Secretary of Defense he made a statement on the topic of transgenders and gays. He said something like this:, "without judging people's preferences or desires, one has to realize that the moment a transgender or gay joins a company or squadron, the fact is it usually polarizes the group and creates discontent and harms the overall effectiveness of the group. The military is primarily a war fighting machine and we can't afford to allow it's effectiveness to be compromised". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Or remember that submarine movie from the 90s with Gene Hackman and Denzel Washington? "On this boat were are not here to practice Democracy, we are here to defend it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chou Anou Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Yawn. It was all just another one of his distraction tactics. Nothing is changing; see link below. But he got everyone to not think about the Trump-Russia investigation for a day. He's getting SCARED. http://politi.co/2uFY84D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, Thakkar said: Since we're purely speculating, I bet if Trump had a three way with a sheep and a Great Dane on the White House lawn and it was caught on camera, his supporters will say it never happened. Or that it was a brave thing to do. Or if reported by a democrat, that it was with three sheep, five chihuahas, and a couple of seriously under age girls!!! Edited July 27, 2017 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Please get back on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 On 7/27/2017 at 2:06 AM, Jingthing said: Understood, but his antics don't really have majority support. He's all about his base now. He only enjoys enthusiastic support from 25 percent of Americans. Is it time to rid ourselves of the electoral college? And the way they voted in this election it might be renamed the electoral kindergarten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 On 7/27/2017 at 3:10 AM, Caps said: The BBC are also mentioning that the US Military have spent $84million for treating erectile dysfunction in contrast to the spending on Transgender medical treatment, must be all those special forces Symptoms of PTSD. https://www.research.va.gov/currents/spring2015/spring2015-3.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 8 hours ago, Andaman Al said: Tongue in cheek would have been a wink a drinking coffee is 'you are boring me now frakk off'. If you have been in those situations then you display an incredible lack of empathy for your brothers in arms who returned home and owing to their experiences will never quite be the same again. And post war/operational theatre there should not even be a discussion about what it costs to make them well again or feel some self esteem again. They were willing to put their lives at risk and we have bozo's on here who have never got out of their arm chairs complaining about costs of curing erectile dysfunction which in these mens cases is a direct result of PTSD. This thread was about "no transgender people will serve in U.S. military", YOU brought up medical costs associated with erectile dysfunction. Lets hope you never get it, or you will be straight down to the shop for some viagra yourself. And remember free medical care for serving military is a perk of the job it is part of the covenant the Government must honour in asking people to potentially die for their country. Do you remember that from your service?? if not, you were never in and if you do remember then why on earth would you even question it? Let´s all agree to not feed the troll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Top Generals Just Defied Trump, Refused To Change Transgender Policy Until Order From Mattis Yesterday’s abrupt and uncalled for ban on transgender Americans serving in the US military took everyone by surprise, including the Pentagon. The President apparently fired off the edict on Twitter without informing anyone in the military and with no consideration for what would happen to the 4,000 or so active duty transgender soldiers currently serving American empire across the world. http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/27/top-generals-just-defied-trump-refused-change-transgender-policy-order-mattis/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Skywalker69 said: Top Generals Just Defied Trump, Refused To Change Transgender Policy Until Order From Mattis Yesterday’s abrupt and uncalled for ban on transgender Americans serving in the US military took everyone by surprise, including the Pentagon. The President apparently fired off the edict on Twitter without informing anyone in the military and with no consideration for what would happen to the 4,000 or so active duty transgender soldiers currently serving American empire across the world. http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/27/top-generals-just-defied-trump-refused-change-transgender-policy-order-mattis/ The news reports I saw indicated that the initiative had come from the military itself. Somebody's off the mark here. Washington Journal/Washington Post?? Say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Would you be happy with an army containing Katoeys whose choice weapon of attack would be a sequined handbag. I think not. However transgenders who have assimilated their choice gender I'd be OK with. Wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said: The news reports I saw indicated that the initiative had come from the military itself. I don't suppose you'll be sharing those news reports (plural) with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, attrayant said: I don't suppose you'll be sharing those news reports (plural) with us? TV news in Australia. If I'd known you were going to ask, I probably could have recorded them. It's interesting that Obama only introduced it in the last months of his presidency, in a last ditch effort to make himself and democrats look better. When I was serving in the military, Royal Australian Air Force, not even homosexuals were permitted to sign up, the logic being that since their activities were largely concealed, they were open to being blackmailed. Interestingly, the military have never been, nor ever will be, an equal opportunity employer. Edited July 28, 2017 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klikster Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 On 7/26/2017 at 9:21 PM, darksidedog said: Well, if you were ever looking for evidence that America was a progressive and forward thinking society, that ship just sailed. At this rate the Yanks will be back living in caves by 2024. Nah, tepees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said: TV news in Australia. If I'd known you were going to ask, I probably could have recorded them. It's interesting that Obama only introduced it in the last months of his presidency, in a last ditch effort to make himself and democrats look better. When I was serving in the military, Royal Australian Air Force, not even homosexuals were permitted to sign up, the logic being that since their activities were largely concealed, they were open to being blackmailed. Interestingly, the military have never been, nor ever will be, an equal opportunity employer. If you can´t link, don´t post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klikster Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 On 7/27/2017 at 7:46 AM, Boon Mee said: Absolutely! We don't need any more Chelsea Mannings in the Military and taxpayers footing the bill for sex change operations. We? In which branch of the US military do you serve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 On 7/27/2017 at 7:46 AM, Boon Mee said: Absolutely! We don't need any more Chelsea Mannings in the Military and taxpayers footing the bill for sex change operations. We also don't need to spend the $294 million paid for viagra and similar medications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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attrayant Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said: TV news in Australia. If I'd known you were going to ask, I probably could have recorded them. Don't they have a web site with trending news stories? It took me only three clicks to pull up my local news back home and find this story as a trending topic: Military has yet to receive directions on Trump's transgender ban Quote When I was serving in the military, Royal Australian Air Force, not even homosexuals were permitted to sign up, the logic being that since their activities were largely concealed, they were open to being blackmailed. And why do you suppose their activities were "largely concealed"? Quote Interestingly, the military have never been, nor ever will be, an equal opportunity employer. That's not interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Skywalker69 said: If you can´t link, don´t post! Here is the video footage of the Australian cabinet making the decison he refers to: (Note that this is intended as satire only, laughing at, not with, Trump's increasingly ludicrous attempts at satisfying his diminishing band of supporters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klikster Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 23 hours ago, Boon Mee said: I was using the classification 4F as an example only. By the way, the Seal every one is talking about didn't transition to a woman until he was discharged. What difference does that make? S/he is the same person, just wearing a different label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, attrayant said: And why do you suppose their activities were "largely concealed"? I don't respond to off topic taunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Then why bring it up in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, attrayant said: Then why bring it up in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 28 minutes ago, ballpoint said: Trump's increasingly ludicrous attempts at satisfying his diminishing band of supporters Trump HAS given a portion of his voters (the evangelicals, some of whom voted for him while holding their nose) the conservative, anti-abortion SCOTUS they wanted. Some of them are taking their winning and leaving the table. But he's struck out everywhere else: He can't give them "the big, beautiful wall" Can barely give them the Muslim ban. Can't give them back their high pay factory/mining jobs. Can't put "her" in jail like he promised. Can't get people to stop "laughing at us"—just making them laugh more. Can't pass healthcare. So he has to throw the remainers some red meat to feed their bigotry. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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