webfact Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Children’s dance troupe fined after complaints By The Nation Police detained a lion-dance troupe in Chon Buri province on Sunday for performing without permission. Pol Lt-Colonel Wuttinan Namsaeng, an inspector at the Samet Police Station, said he took action against the troupe after local residents complained about the loud fundraising performance. The troupe has six members, including three children. “We have come from Bangkok in the hope of generating income. Children now have a day off. When they go back to school, they will then have some pocket money,” said the troupe’s leader, Niran Intim. He was fined Bt200. Wuttinan said the troupe was fined for staging a fundraising activity without permission. “If you want to stage such a performance, you have to contact local officials for permission first,” he said. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30322262 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-07-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Pathetic. Don't know who to be angry at: the parents for making the kids dance or the govt. for going over the top with ridiculous fines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Thailand is turning into a police state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said: Thailand is turning into a police state. I think that ship has long sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 when I first say the article no work permit,but really somes thais not happy with the noise from the bkk group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirasan Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Thais complaining about noise? Not sure why I find that difficult to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, Somtamnication said: Pathetic. Don't know who to be angry at: the parents for making the kids dance or the govt. for going over the top with ridiculous fines. This is a Chinese thing. They go from shop to shop and ask for money to scare away bad spirits by making lots of noise. They are working and indeed need a permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingerBen Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said: Thailand is turning into a police state. It's a worldwide trend and Thailand isn't one of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think posters misunderstand what the problem is here. This is very aggressive begging. These groups use loud banging (cymbals often) and in your face moves to pester stallholders and other commercial businesses for cash. When they get cash they go away. If not they don't. The goal is to disrupt the business to force the business to pay up all under the guise of a charitable donation to kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, Briggsy said: I think posters misunderstand what the problem is here. This is very aggressive begging. These groups use loud banging (cymbals often) and in your face moves to pester stallholders and other commercial businesses for cash. When they get cash they go away. If not they don't. The goal is to disrupt the business to force the business to pay up all under the guise of a charitable donation to kids. That seem bit misleading. Normally a lion dance troupe will ask the stall owners or dwellings for authorisation and acknowledgement before they perform. The loud banging is customary and the purpose is to drive out any ill omen and spirits. Sometime firecrackers are being use for the same purpose. I am sure the boys not acting on their own as the gears for the lion dance are very expensive. They likely to represent a cultural club (hua kwang). A lot of information is missing from this news and my opinion is that the police over react. After all, this kind of dance is only carried out during special religious dates and not all year round. Give the kids a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Perhaps the police "over-reacted" as they were called by a business or businesses that were being pestered for cash and disrupted by an uninvited lion-dance troupe from Bangkok, 70 km away, on a "fundraising" tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Crackdown on Charity Should gone out nicked a car, done some Yeh ba, got pissed up and killed 3 people in a crash and the Police would have done nothing Edited July 31, 2017 by Dave67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingerBen Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: That seem bit misleading. Normally a lion dance troupe will ask the stall owners or dwellings for authorisation and acknowledgement before they perform. The loud banging is customary and the purpose is to drive out any ill omen and spirits. Sometime firecrackers are being use for the same purpose. I am sure the boys not acting on their own as the gears for the lion dance are very expensive. They likely to represent a cultural club (hua kwang). A lot of information is missing from this news and my opinion is that the police over react. After all, this kind of dance is only carried out during special religious dates and not all year round. Give the kids a break. Exactly. Good reply to nonsense. Things like this are part of life in East Asia. These clueless misfits try to impose their values wherever they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancid Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Its true about Lion dancers being engaged by a business. However we get motorbikes screaming past with loud exhausts by the minute, 24 hours a day. How could anyone have even heard the Lion troupe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 47 minutes ago, Dave67 said: Crackdown on Charity Should gone out nicked a car, done some Yeh ba, got pissed up and killed 3 people in a crash and the Police would have done nothing Crackdown on the stupidity of chasing away spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermik Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 8 hours ago, Briggsy said: I think posters misunderstand what the problem is here. This is very aggressive begging. These groups use loud banging (cymbals often) and in your face moves to pester stallholders and other commercial businesses for cash. When they get cash they go away. If not they don't. The goal is to disrupt the business to force the business to pay up all under the guise of a charitable donation to kids. 8 hours ago, Eric Loh said: That seem bit misleading. Normally a lion dance troupe will ask the stall owners or dwellings for authorisation and acknowledgement before they perform. The loud banging is customary and the purpose is to drive out any ill omen and spirits. Sometime firecrackers are being use for the same purpose. I am sure the boys not acting on their own as the gears for the lion dance are very expensive. They likely to represent a cultural club (hua kwang). A lot of information is missing from this news and my opinion is that the police over react. After all, this kind of dance is only carried out during special religious dates and not all year round. Give the kids a break. 7 hours ago, JingerBen said: Exactly. Good reply to nonsense. Things like this are part of life in East Asia. These clueless misfits try to impose their values wherever they go. JingerBen............your comment is nonsense Briggsy is spot on,here in Pattaya the behaviour he describes is 100% accurate,fortunately the police here are wise to them and they get quickly rounded up and moved on..............maybe in YOUR location it is different....here they are just parasites,nothing to do with religion/tradition just another scam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Just now, Eric Loh said: After all, this kind of dance is only carried out during special religious dates and not all year round. See them/hear them on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingerBen Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, petermik said: JingerBen............your comment is nonsense Briggsy is spot on,here in Pattaya the behaviour he describes is 100% accurate,fortunately the police here are wise to them and they get quickly rounded up and moved on..............maybe in YOUR location it is different....here they are just parasites,nothing to do with religion/tradition just another scam OK, Pattaya is a special case... Sleaze by the Sea. But almost everywhere else, lion dances are a part of the traditional scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, JingerBen said: OK, Pattaya is a special case... Sleaze by the Sea. But almost everywhere else, lion dances are a part of the traditional scene. There is a lion-dance troupe spectrum. At one end of the spectrum, you will have a long-established lion-dance troupe under the authority of a local Chinese cultural centre which itself is inexorably linked to the local Sino-Thai business community. At the other end of the spectrum, you will have begging 'lion-dance troupe' gangs under a gangmaster. Many of the dancers are poor ethnic Thai children with no cultural links to China at all that were simply recruited into it as a way to make money. These troupes will travel around the region. They will hit a commercial area, get some cash and then move on to the next area. This activity has zero cultural relevance and is just another twist on the career of a professional beggar. Which end of the spectrum might this lot in Chonburi, but from Bangkok, belong to, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, dinsdale said: See them/hear them on a regular basis. Not sure where you stay but in Yowarat where there are many Thai Chinese businesses, they are often invited for the special occasion like on the opening day and you get to see them quite often. Elsewhere in Bangkok, I rarely see them, Perhaps in Pattaya where there are many new shops catering to the Chinese tourists, they invite the lion dance performance or it will be bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humpy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 '' local residents complained about the loud fundraising performance '' ....... I wonder if these same 'local residents' take time to complain to the police about the brain-dead gofers roaring around the streets with hollowed out exhaust systems . ..... or the similar noise from the mirror festooned lorries with their dustbin sized exhausts !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 6 hours ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said: Thailand is turning into a police state. From What? A compassionate democracy with election results that are honored,? That treats each citizen fairly and equally, regardless of social status? A state where police are honest and are not influenced by monetary rewards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Somtamnication said: Pathetic. Don't know who to be angry at: the parents for making the kids dance or the govt. for going over the top with ridiculous fines. Where does it say that the parents made the kids dance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Eric Loh said: That seem bit misleading. Normally a lion dance troupe will ask the stall owners or dwellings for authorisation and acknowledgement before they perform. The loud banging is customary and the purpose is to drive out any ill omen and spirits. Sometime firecrackers are being use for the same purpose. I am sure the boys not acting on their own as the gears for the lion dance are very expensive. They likely to represent a cultural club (hua kwang). A lot of information is missing from this news and my opinion is that the police over react. After all, this kind of dance is only carried out during special religious dates and not all year round. Give the kids a break. Like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: Not sure where you stay but in Yowarat where there are many Thai Chinese businesses, they are often invited for the special occasion like on the opening day and you get to see them quite often. Elsewhere in Bangkok, I rarely see them, Perhaps in Pattaya where there are many new shops catering to the Chinese tourists, they invite the lion dance performance or it will be bad luck. Like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Lord Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 41 minutes ago, billd766 said: Like I too agree with the inference of your post....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 8 hours ago, Somtamnication said: Pathetic. Don't know who to be angry at: the parents for making the kids dance or the govt. for going over the top with ridiculous fines. How about the local police for not using their common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: How about the local police for not using their common sense? Like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny321 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 16 hours ago, JingerBen said: It's a worldwide trend and Thailand isn't one of the worst. So true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Fixit Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 On July 30, 2017 at 11:44 PM, HiSoLowSoNoSo said: Thailand is turning into a police state. Turning? It's been one for decades, at least since Plaek Phibunsongkhram 70 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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