Right, I know there's another thread in the commoners hole about Mr Hussain but, I've started this here as I'm not even sure I want to read that thread and, haven't, as yet.

I know the guy was a murdering <deleted> but, why oh why do I feel so sad watching the video of his hanging (check Google, its easily available). I should, or at least I thought I would feel, elated at his death. I don't.!

Those people in hoods praising Mochtada Al Sadda (spelling), it was just wrong, he's a murdering <deleted> too. I know probably no more or less degrading than Saddam served upon his 'victims' and, of-course, we never see that but, maybe in my age I'm growing able to be more thoughtful for human life.

I think its very sad.

redrus

Yo Red me old matey, don't go all soft on us!

ps But I know what you mean. Maybe it was just wrong to be able to see a video of it!

I don't know whether you guys/gals/ will let it stay but, Saddam Hanging

go for your lives and tell me if its not fookin wrong.

As for Tony chuffin Blair struttin his fat arse in Florida and not saying a word about it, c**t, go on guess the middle letters....!

redrus

Try watching one of the al queda lads chopping a head off a westerner that should cheer you up.

Try watching one of the al queda lads chopping a head off a westerner that should cheer you up.

Brit, don't be a dick.

Two rights, wrongs and all that.

You totally miss the point son. Exactly why I don't want to read the other thread. Everything's got another side. 'oh, they've done this, so its ok if we do that.' Piss off. Thats BS and you know it.

Show me the link between Saddam and Al Qeida....?

The guy was no saint, neither am I.

I bet you though, George Bush has more blood on his hands than Saddam ever had. Thats not me sticking up for him but, I tell you what, I'd prefer to sit with Saddam than Bush or Blair....!

redrus

redrus - Saddam killed millions, so I hardly see the point in comparing Bush/Blair with him, he makes them look like novices. Not to mention the lad got pure pleasure from raping, torturing and murdering with his own hands. Do a bit of research on the man and his sons, closest you can get to monsters in this day/age.

Simply put in the end he got off easy, compared with all the suffering/misery he caused indirectly and directly.

I like to think that "normal" humans just don't enjoy watching other people get killed, I don't think you should find any joy in his death, I'm sure even people affected by the atrocities he committed didn't even feel joy at watching him die.

redrus - Saddam killed millions, so I hardly see the point in comparing Bush/Blair with him, he makes them look like novices. Not to mention the lad got pure pleasure from raping, torturing and murdering with his own hands. Do a bit of research on the man and his sons, closest you can get to monsters in this day/age.

Simply put in the end he got off easy, compared with all the suffering/misery he caused indirectly and directly.

Millions is it, and I need to research....!

Grow up Brit, that wasn't my point and, yes Bush has more blood on his hands than most alive today.

Where's your evidence Saddam raped...?

Middle Eastern/ Arabic/ Iraqi ways are very different from our own. They still chop off hands for robbery <deleted>.

Iraq is far worse off now, on the whole, than it ever was under Saddam, fact....!

redrus

A agree that the hanging was sad Redrus!

He should have been made to rot in jail.

A agree that the hanging was sad Redrus!

He should have been made to rot in jail.

No Dave, he most assuredly should not have been left to rot in jail.

Go here to post #227 for the explaination I posted earlier.

A agree that the hanging was sad Redrus!

He should have been made to rot in jail.

No Dave, he most assuredly should not have been left to rot in jail.

Go here to post #227 for the explaination I posted earlier.

So you have all the answers Boon Mee? Rave on.... keep us informed, awaiting your future phrophecies!

So you have all the answers Boon Mee? Rave on.... keep us informed, awaiting your future phrophecies!

I wish I did have all the answers K. khall64au, but the one thing I do know is those suffering from advanced cases of BDS posting here, have skewed objectivity...

I think it all boils down to one's feelings about capital punishment. An eye for an eye is not necessarily the best way as it brings those administering the punishment down to the same level as the criminal.

I too felt that Suddam should not have been humiliated prior to his hanging, but there was a need for him to be punished. The severity of the punishment is what Redrus is questioning.

I felt a lot of anger towards the Bali judicial system following the death of many Australians following the Bali bombings.

The cleric, Bashir, was found guilty of being the spiritual leader of the bombers. He was jailed and has now been released and virtually cleared of all wrong doing.

The bombers have not yet been executed. Will they also be cleared and released?

How will we feel it they are?

How would the world have felt had Suddam been jailed and later released?

How do the Jews feel about many German war criminals not being prosecuted?

How do we feel when a death sentence is carried out and it is later proven that the person executed was innocent?

Personally, I believe in the death sentence provided the crime committed by that criminal has been admitted and that the crime is of a horrendous nature.

Saddam's crimes certainly were horrendous and although I don't feel too much remorse for his passing, I do feel that steps should have been taken to make his ending swift, dignified and without being filmed by those observing the proceedings.

Grow up Brit, that wasn't my point and, yes Bush has more blood on his hands than most alive today.

Where's your evidence Saddam raped...?

Middle Eastern/ Arabic/ Iraqi ways are very different from our own. They still chop off hands for robbery <deleted>.

Iraq is far worse off now, on the whole, than it ever was under Saddam, fact....!

redrus

We are talking about the Butcher of Baghdad???

I'm against the death penalty for the reason that too many people have been wrongly excecuted or imprisioned, and while it's possible to make some recompense to a wrongly imprisoned person, it's impossible to give an excecuted person their life back.

However.....

Who in there right mind has any doubt that saddam was guilty?

Is Bush a <deleted>, and a failure as a leader, no matter what his lickspittle, phoney-conservative fan club says? Yes! Is Al-sadar a murderer too? Yes he is!

Does this change the fact that saddam has killed, or ordered the killing and excecution of many of his own people as well as Iranian, and Kuwati civilians? No!

So quit wimpering over the death of an indisputably evil, psychopathic bastard and go help some poor slob who's in jail because he was too poor to get a proper lawyer or something. What kind of detached from reality individual is mourning the death of saddam while real cases of people who were truely wrongfully convicted are on death row? That's bloody retarded.

Who's gonna bloody cry over the death of the one who ordered this?

Image of Kurdish woman and baby gassed (Graphic!)

http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/images/kurds_1.jpg

redrus - Saddam killed millions, so I hardly see the point in comparing Bush/Blair with him, he makes them look like novices.

Isnt it ironic that whilst he was killing and maiming all these people, certainly in the early days, he was doing it with the blessings of The British and American governments. Hussein was our ally, our biggest friend and help in the middle east. When all hel_l was breaking loose against Iran, we were providing him with weapons and assisting him in every way we could!!!

Yes he deserved to die, but dont think that other govts dont have blood on their hands.

For what it's worth - I think that if you stoop to his level, ie. torture and exectution - then you are simply no better than he is - all the moral high-ground that the US had evaporated - for me anyway - when the atrocities in Guantanamo Bay became public knowledge...

I think a few people here missed Reds point ... he wasnt judging whether Sadam should have been hanged or not just saying that it gave him no pleasure to watch him get executed and to be honest I agree with him ... it gave me no pleasure either ....

Maybe its the United in us Red ...

I agree. Never had any love lost for Saddam and it's completely obvious he deserved a severe punishment.

Can't defend capital punishment though in my opinion.

I think Red missed the point that there is no question this man devastated thousands of families and gassed children to death. Good thing Hitler and Goebbels offed themselves or they'd have been paroled in the 70's

Regardless of your thoughts on corporal punishment, I was under the impression that the main focus in Iraq is ongoing efforts to stabilise the situation there.

In this respect, can anybody give any benefits what so ever of this execution?

Benefits?

How about the fact that the people of Iraq can now rest in the knowledge Saddam can never come back, his regime has ended. Its the closing of a chapter, however right or wrong the hanging is/was.

It was symbolic, nothing more.. It hasn't changed anything in the world, Iraq still has it's problems

totster

Yes, strangely I felt sad too and so did my wife. It is natural to feel sad when you see killings. But I am used to it already. Brutality is part of life.

And if he had really raped people which I don't have much doubt, I don't mind dirtying my hands.

Regardless of your thoughts on corporal punishment, I was under the impression that the main focus in Iraq is ongoing efforts to stabilise the situation there.

In this respect, can anybody give any benefits what so ever of this execution?

Sorry to be pedantic here but corporal punishment is meted out in schools and consists of a spanking or smack on the back of the hands.

Capital punishment on the other hand, is putting someone to death for their crimes.

I am a complete and utter liberal but I tend to agree that Saddam Hussein should have been executed. He was personally responsible for many deaths and ordered the deaths of many many more. He was a touchstone and source of inspiration for his followers. Martyrs may have some effect but rarely as long term as someone living and plotting from their prison cell.

But, I also agree with Redrus that there is no need to rejoice in his death nor enjoy the video of his hanging (which I skipped by the way).

Not everything that is necessary is enjoyable, nor should it be.

SBK – noted, cheers.

Wolfie - He was in US custody until being sentenced. Couldn’t he of stayed there until the picture in Iraq was much clearer?

Haven’t some convicts in the US been on death row for over 10 years?

My own belief is that the whole process was rushed to give the US some extra credibility – something that never really materialised.

Wolfie - He was in US custody until being sentenced. Couldn’t he of stayed there until the picture in Iraq was much clearer?

I was under the impression he was held by the Iraq forces, not the US (i could be wrong, i've not been following it that closely) - he was certainly held within the borders of Iraq regardless... and as we all know Iraq isn't the safest place on earth right now.. who's to say his cronies were not plotting to bust him out?

Either way, he was found guilty and sentenced to death by an Iraq court of law (what a joke) and put to death very quickly, even whilst he had another pending case against him going through the court systems.

I personally feel him being hanged was an 'easy' way out, he should have been made to suffer ever second of pain he caused others, but im not in charge of Iraq so its not really my place to pass judgment (now let him sign up here and post some trollish and i will soon give him a peice of my mind!)

As to the OP's point, yeah its not something i will be happy watching or rejoce about... but i will take a look at it (havent yet)

I agree with Insight's insight: that it realy does look like so as he's mentioned. and I think it didn't give much credibility to them anyway, as well as improved situation in Iraq.

personally, I feel nothing neither for him nor about whole show. even if to assume that it was him, or that execution realy been real, not some farce... if he did all those crimes and was tried and sentenced in a just way - yeah, why not, execution was the prper thing.

what amuses me the most is - the whole fuss about him and his "execution" thing. as if it has been a great terrific victory for those who's done everything for it to happen.

Saddam was just one guy - moster or martyr, doesn't matter in the point I try to make here. which is: War in Iraq doesn't end already 4 years since his capture, and even after his execution. and Iraq is doubtfully any better after that.

Boon Mee made an interesting comment in another thread, something about shaking the tree.... yeah, many apples has fallen down with this execution event - or as Brit said "some radical muslims become unhinged". well, it seem that to follow that "tree shaking" logic - it is rather good that all those hidden radicals and pro-Saddam evil guys have exposed themselves. it only remains to isolate them, or perhaps eventually execute them all as their leader....

however I doubt it very much that it will change much. as Saddam's execution. there'll always be some others to stand up against what they feel is wrong.

let's wait and see another 4 years - will the civil war which has only escalated after this execution continue or Iraqis will become "democratic"...

i feel sad when i attend a traffic accident and an innocent person or persons have died a painful horrible death.

cant say saddam died that way and he really got out easy whilst his many victims died in agony.

how anyone can feel sorry for him is beyond me.

better to save your symphathy for the good people in this world that deserve it.

dont know what the big fuss is with the video as one never seen very much at all.

the quality was a shocker and you did not even see the snap.

I personally feel him being hanged was an 'easy' way out ...

yeah - more like Milosevich's too quick demise - appears to be very similar. it is easier to end prolonged case which might never end otherwise or take much longer time. or - God forbid! - expose some thing which can't be allowed to be exposed.