Trump issues stern warning to North Korea and its leader: Be very, very nervous

[JHolmesJr]

two of the most grown up and respected members of the nucular club share briers with n korea…russia and china…..you would think it was their job to discipline this renegade punk….but they have allowed this boil to fester, to be used as a pawn in their dealings with usa.

 

if trump acts now, and who can blame him, it's gonna get ugly. 

[Morch]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

You say his missiles don't have the range to hit the US then you say they do. Which is it?

What could he possibly hope to gain by a preemptive attack against the continental US or any of its territories?

 

2 hours ago, baboon said:

Kumbaya and a little chat are far preferable to the potential devastation of the entire Korean peninsula. 

If he can nuke the US, that means he can also nuke Moscow, London, Bangkok, Delhi... Why aren't they panicking? 

 

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Every country with military hardware tests it. There is nothing unusual about that.

The US has been threatened with a strike IN RETALIATION if the DPRK are attacked themselves. 

 

2 hours ago, baboon said:

Why would they arm a test missile with a nuclear warhead with all the possibilities for a calamity that it would entail? Missiles themselves aren't nuclear, they are just rockets, bear in mind.

 

I could be wrong, but I believe that most countries testing ballistic missiles do not do so in trajectories passing over other countries, without consent. Certainly not when relations between countries are tense. Further, conducting such a missile test while plotting a trajectory aimed directly at an asset of a a hostile country is a clear provocation. Same goes for the margins of error involved. This has nothing to do with which warhead is mounted. 

 

Other countries are not "panicking" because threats are not directed their way, and the missile tests aren't conducted in their direction. As for the general reaction, the UNSC resolution garners wide support, which would indicate countries do not take North Korea's actions as nonchalantly as yourself.

 

I doubt that anyone expects the upcoming missile test to include a nuclear warhead (without completely ruling it out ). Painting it as if this is the main issue serves to misrepresent the situation - which seems to work fine for both Donald and Kim.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, bartender100 said:

Does Trump realise the people of North Korea are innocent in all this, its haircut boy needs taking out, not millions of its people

 

And in the same way Kim's threats are not exclusively directed at Trump or the US military. That's how irresponsible politicians talk all over the world.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, inThailand said:

Shoot his missiles down and put the ball back in his court and let him make the next move. Let the chess game begin!

 

Easier said than done. There are no guarantees that an intercept attempt would be successful, or that it's outcome would not make things even more complicated. A failed attempt would incur massive lose of face, encourage Kim's attitude, and undermine trust in the USA's ability to protect it's allies. Also it would make it harder for Trump to back down, possibly pushing him to order direct action.

 

A successful intercept may end up with debris/warhead landing on friendly soil, probably not a good idea, and again - far from certain North Korea will cease it's efforts, could have just the opposite effect.

[hugh2121]

Why can't Trump keep his stupid trap shut? He is not helping the situation but exacerbating it. Kim at least has an excuse....he's a mental case. He should be ignored except for total sanctions.

[Dave67]

Just now, hugh2121 said:

Why can't Trump keep his stupid trap shut? He is not helping the situation but exacerbating it. Kim at least has an excuse....he's a mental case. He should be ignored except for total sanctions.

I Don't think 3 generations of the Kim Family were or are mad, Amoral, brutal, dictators yes

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, binjalin said:

I agree that past weakness with this monster in N.Korea has let him and his goons think that they can do what they want.

 

If there is a serious and credible threat take out their nuke bases, artillery and the leadership quickly and cleanly. 

And how would you do that?

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Dave67 said:

I Don't think 3 generations of the Kim Family were or are mad, Amoral, brutal, dictators yes

 

You're on safer ground with the first two. This one was born into a rather twisted reality. This is his world. How much perspective he got is a good question. Not getting into the definition of "mad" or into detailed armchair psychological analysis - just that a whole lot of the assumptions aren't based on anything solid. And as observed elsewhere, Trump's a third generation product as well - born into his own reality, and living in his own world....

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, binjalin said:

Not true, you know as well as I do that they don't have the range whereas Guam is 'nearby' and he says he can hit parts of the US. The monster subjugates a whole nation, kidnaps USA citizens and sends one back to die and blows his own Uncle to bits with an anti-air artillery. He now states he WILL bomb the USA and they should do nothing???  really???

The USA is at war with about 7 countries at the moment. Who is the aggressor?

[observer90210]

The duck is creating havoc on the international monetary markets with his stupid comments! Cool down fellow and rather entertain your willy a bit more often by the wifie!

[Thakkar]

3 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

The duck is creating havoc on the international monetary markets with his stupid comments! Cool down fellow and rather entertain your willy a bit more often by the wifie!

..or whichever family member he truly desires. Do it for World Peace, Ivanka!

(Or, at least for world financial market stability).

[Dave67]

15 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You're on safer ground with the first two. This one was born into a rather twisted reality. This is his world. How much perspective he got is a good question. Not getting into the definition of "mad" or into detailed armchair psychological analysis - just that a whole lot of the assumptions aren't based on anything solid. And as observed elsewhere, Trump's a third generation product as well - born into his own reality, and living in his own world....

 

I suppose the people of NK see their new dictatorship as the norm. They don't get much insight into what is going on outside NK. The Jong Un member of the Kims Killed his uncle I recall Death by Anti aircraft fire, blown to pieces in other words.Cunning psychopath would fit him nicely a sort of Asian Dr. Evil

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[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, binjalin said:

He now states he WILL bomb the USA and they should do nothing???  really???

Him and his Father and Grandfather have said that for 60 years. Kim jong is like the small brother of the school bully (China). He goes around strutting his stuff pissing everyone off because he knows that big brother will step in to protect him. Unfortunately big brother is changing and will likely not step in. If Trump had the slightest geopolitical intelligence he would realise that making 10 million South Koreans in Seoul crap themselves for their safety is not constructive.

 

22 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

I Don't think 3 generations of the Kim Family were or are mad, Amoral, brutal, dictators yes

Yup, the family seems the perfect role model for Trump and his family plans. Ivanka next and then Baron.

[Basil B]

5 hours ago, bartender100 said:

Does Trump realise the people of North Korea are innocent in all this, its haircut boy needs taking out, not millions of its people

My guess is the Americans have been planning something for years that would do a lot of damage with minimal lose of life. may even give them 30 mins warning of their intended targets so they could be evacuated.

 

But I am hoping that when the low IQ with a funny hair cut presses his rugby ball(s) the missile go 180 degrees off course, that should put the wind up his yellow neighbours... 

[Dave67]

"Very, Very" he uses that term quite a lot shows the is Don is very, very inarticulate  

[jcsmith]

It's crazy how quickly this has spun out of control. What happens when Kim launches missiles near Guam? Does Trump bomb them? If he does South Korea is going to get attacked. If that happens what comes next? Millions of people could die in this pissing contest.

[Morch]

28 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Him and his Father and Grandfather have said that for 60 years. Kim jong is like the small brother of the school bully (China). He goes around strutting his stuff pissing everyone off because he knows that big brother will step in to protect him. Unfortunately big brother is changing and will likely not step in. If Trump had the slightest geopolitical intelligence he would realise that making 10 million South Koreans in Seoul crap themselves for their safety is not constructive.

 

Yup, the family seems the perfect role model for Trump and his family plans. Ivanka next and then Baron.

 

The former Kims didn't have the means to do much other than talk, though. Somewhat different with the current Kim. Can say that this is negligible compared to US might, but (a) the situation is not static (b) if and when they pull off mounting a nuclear warhead, it won't matter.

[Basil B]

17 minutes ago, Basil B said:

My guess is the Americans have been planning something for years that would do a lot of damage with minimal lose of life. may even give them 30 mins warning of their intended targets so they could be evacuated.

 

But I am hoping that when the low IQ with a funny hair cut presses his rugby ball(s) the missile go 180 degrees off course, that should put the wind up his yellow neighbours... 

just realised that when I wrote "low IQ with a funny hair cut" that disruption could also be fitting of the POTUS as well. 

[Chivas]

6 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

It's crazy how quickly this has spun out of control. What happens when Kim launches missiles near Guam? Does Trump bomb them? If he does South Korea is going to get attacked. If that happens what comes next? Millions of people could die in this pissing contest.

lol this lunatic cannot be allowed to launch sod all in the deliberate direction of Guam or any USA allies. N Korea will simply cease to exist if he does and rightly so. This is not about Trump posturing but the nutjob in NK

[Dave67]

12 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

It's crazy how quickly this has spun out of control. What happens when Kim launches missiles near Guam? Does Trump bomb them? If he does South Korea is going to get attacked. If that happens what comes next? Millions of people could die in this pissing contest.

The issue will be  they won't know a missile heading for Guam will fall short or not until it lands, so there may be an immediate response

[daboyz1]

Let him have Sudetenland. What's the worst that could happen?

[baboon]

1 hour ago, Andaman Al said:

how do you propose taking out 500K artillery pieces pointing at Seoul quickly and cleanly when we don't know where they all are? A pre-emptive nuclear strike on the South Korean border next to Seoul perhaps? Tell us how you would take them out, 500K of them without North Korea starting to fire 60 000 shells an hour minimum at Seoul. There is NO easy solution. This is NOT an Iraq.

Bond... James Bond...

[puck2]

Bombs should be dropped on both very, very sick people ..... . Problems solved

 

 

 

[Morch]

19 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

The issue will be  they won't know a missile heading for Guam will fall short or not until it lands, so there may be an immediate response

 

They can plot the trajectory and impact area pretty accurately, and can monitor the missile flight in real time. If the missile malfunctions, that's another story. The problem here is more with margin of error and the possibility of mistakes. That's why carrying out such a test and directing it at hostile territory is a bad decision.

[jcsmith]

47 minutes ago, Chivas said:

lol this lunatic cannot be allowed to launch sod all in the deliberate direction of Guam or any USA allies. N Korea will simply cease to exist if he does and rightly so. This is not about Trump posturing but the nutjob in NK

Escalating tensions is not the way to solve the situation. Trump is basically daring him to give him a reason to bomb him. While bombing the heck out of North Korea may remove the  hypothetical threat of a NK nuclear attack on the U.S. at some point down the road, it will ensure the loss of many lives in South Korea, possibly in Japan or Guam. And if he nuked them you can add to that millions of Koreans whose crime was only to be born in the wrong location.

Edited August 11, 2017 by jcsmith

[Rhys]

somebody tell his daughter that she needs to stroke daddy...

 

[Andaman Al]

1 hour ago, Rhys said:

somebody tell his daughter that she needs to stroke daddy...

 

By all accounts he tells her himself often enough.  

Edited August 11, 2017 by Andaman Al

[dunroaming]

Trump continues making his ludicrous threats and Kim counters.  Fortunately Mattis is saying that a diplomatic result is the way to go and they are making progress albeit with difficulty.  You have to wonder if the two leaders were just put in straight jackets and gagged in their own respective lunatic asylums then this could be sorted by the "relatively sane" negotiators from both sides.

[Thakkar]

 

This is simply uncanny. From three years ago:

 

[Thakkar]

3 hours ago, Thakkar said:

 

This is simply uncanny. From three years ago:

 

 

Uncanny squared:

 

Donald J. Trump (‪@realDonaldTrump‬)

18/10/12, 01:30

Polls are starting to look really bad for Obama. Looks like he'll have to start a war or major conflict to win. Don't put it past him!