Pajero and Everest - Power ELECTRIC steering and T-shape cockpit comfort(any Pajero Owners?)

[LGMV]

Have recently test-drove Pajero, Everest and Fortuna.   All of them were excellent and would be happy with any of them.  

 

Pajero Pros:  plush interior, 8 Speed, Camera with Birds Eye view, Cheaper, Warranty 5 years, electronic handbrake, push start, 18inch wheels on top spec (better fuel? offroad?)

Pajero Cons: T shape cockpit may get in way of taller people's left leg for longer distance?

 

Everest Pros: Power Electric Steering, more torque?

Everest Cons:  Old style handbrake? 

 

Apparently the Everest is the only one with the ELECTRIC power assisted steering Most of the time, this car will be used for town use, so the Power Electric Steering is. BIG ISSUE potentially i.e lots of parking daily, so this is a huge plus for Everest in City setting?  Potentially this is a huge PRO and perhaps a deal maker.  Question 1 but not 2 and 3 would also apply to Fortuna 

 

1. would like to know from any Pajero Owners whether they feel the non power electric ( it's powered, but not electric) steering is noticeable for town driving i.e.heavier than they would like)

2. Also, do any Pajero drivers ever feel the T shape cockpit presents an issue from a comfort POV (left leg) after long journeys (this has been pointed out in some reviews)

3.  Also, some reviews say the 8-speed can sometimes be a tiny bit troublesome around town (as it's constantly "trying to find a gear") anyone owner experience that?

 

 

Edited August 12, 2017 by LGMV
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[MINIMIGLIA]

My Pajero is plenty big enough for me 5. 11  120 kgs always very comfy on long journeys, I prefer convention hydraulis PAS and it is light, my early jazz had lectronic PAS would not recommend. I would avoid any Ford here, over priced and depreciate like a brick with very poor dealers, 8 speed auto is good never feel it change just see the tacho move and in manual mode is super quick

[JaseTheBass]

The 2 main benefits for electric steering in the Everest are, 1: It's far superior when off-roading as you don't get the wheel wrenched from your hands, and 2: The reversing camera is linked to the guidelines that show you where you will end up.

 

It is also normally assumed that hydraulic steering gives you more feel, but I've never felt that the Everest lacks in that department.

 

Drive both and see which feels best for you. Mini Mike thinks anything but Ford is the best, but those who have actually driven both prefer the Ford.

 

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[LGMV]

Have driven both, but not for long enough in different conditions to be able to discern.  It seems that renting a PJS for a day or two is quite easy, but not the FE.  Also, the dealers usually only have the 2.2 as rental car (apparently they sell the rentals too and since most buyers of rentals are looking for bargains, it's rare to find a Titanium test drive, though did manage to test drive the titanium, not for long enough to get know it and feel steering in all conditions).  Did find three point turns etc much easier in the FE, but would like to see how it feels for a couple of days.  Anyone know of a company that rents one? (do understand that most companies don't have FEs in their fleet based on economies of scale reasons, and not a reflection of FE itself)

 

PS did find both vehicles (and the Fortuna) excellent motors, with very little between them, and at the end of day would be happy be happy with either vehicle but am in no rush and its lot of money so maybe worth doing some research

Edited August 12, 2017 by LGMV

[MINIMIGLIA]

8 hours ago, JaseTheBass said:

The 2 main benefits for electric steering in the Everest are, 1: It's far superior when off-roading as you don't get the wheel wrenched from your hands, and 2: The reversing camera is linked to the guidelines that show you where you will end up.

 

It is also normally assumed that hydraulic steering gives you more feel, but I've never felt that the Everest lacks in that department.

 

Drive both and see which feels best for you. Mini Mike thinks anything but Ford is the best, but those who have actually driven both prefer the Ford.

 

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I have driven both and the ford is not a patch on the Pajero, utter rubbish about the electric PAS if it was so good all WRC cars would use it??? Rental companies don.t use them as they are so overpriced and depreciate like a brick and as such are financially unviable to the business

[LGMV]

guess it's a very personal thing.  For me BOTH cars were excellent.   can see advantages and disadvantages for the POS as mentioned here and in web reviews, and it is good to get the perspective of PJS and Everest drivers alike.  have leant new things about the PAS/HAS steering just from these posts, which is excellent information and food for thought.  Regarding the rental companies, would think that its unlikely to find the FE there as it is not "a big hit" among the Thais  because they prefer to focus on the saving sides of things. (this is what I was told by two independent dealers, one Ford one not). If one is not going to sell the car for a long time (5 years plus?_ maybe the depreciation is not that big an issue.

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, MINIMIGLIA said:

Rental companies don.t use them as they are so overpriced and depreciate like a brick and as such are financially unviable to the business

LOL. At least you're not pedaling that faux low reliability excuse as a reason why Thai rental fleets don't have any.

 

As yet, Ford haven't made the third generation (brand new in 2015) Everest available to the fleet customer. Probably too busy making loadsacash with exports to much more mature and savvy markets, same as the Ranger... but the latter is catching up with the sheeples choices at an alarming rate (for them).

 

Pajero's are now well into their 4th generation (no major redesign since 2006) with only engine changes in 2009, and styling changes in 2012 (along with body and suspension tweaks) and grille and facia changes 2015. Still the same bus, or shed as some here would call them. Their 5th generation is expected in 2018 by which time Everest will have scared the bejezuz outta their SUV competitors... same as Rangers.

Edited August 13, 2017 by NanLaew

[MINIMIGLIA]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

LOL. At least you're not pedaling that faux low reliability excuse as a reason why Thai rental fleets don't have any.

 

As yet, Ford haven't made the third generation (brand new in 2015) Everest available to the fleet customer. Probably too busy making loadsacash with exports to much more mature and savvy markets, same as the Ranger... but the latter is catching up with the sheeples choices at an alarming rate (for them).

 

Pajero's are now well into their 4th generation (no major redesign since 2006) with only engine changes in 2009, and styling changes in 2012 (along with body and suspension tweaks) and grille and facia changes 2015. Still the same bus, or shed as some here would call them. Their 5th generation is expected in 2018 by which time Everest will have scared the bejezuz outta their SUV competitors... same as Rangers.

Talking utter BS as usual, My new PJS is nothing like my old PJS, again trying to protect your crappy pickup looking everest, which you are welcome to.  and as for the poor reliability. well you just put you head deeper into the sand!

Edited August 13, 2017 by MINIMIGLIA

[LGMV]

Very good information.   Personally think both cars were EXCELLENT across a range of areas, just in different ways.  Would think that Everest/Pajero/Fortuna owners would all be equally happy with their car as they appreciate them for different reasons.  Even across the web you can see that professional reviewers are often split down the middle but nearly all reviewers say both cars are superb.  Same goes for the very "Reliable" Fortuna.

 

It is interesting to note that a new PJS in coming out in 2018?  Is that confirmed? and any idea what part of the year that would be?  Have also heard that a new Everest refresh is on the card for 2018 but only with minor changes like perhaps button start and camera in the rear view mirror.

wondering if it worth holding off till 2018 if refreshed models of the FE and PJS are coming out.  Anyone know if these releases are for certain or just rumour?

[Robert24]

I've not heard about a complete overhaul of the Pajero and a complete new generation to be launched next year. I doubt it since this model has just recently launched and is selling well, a lot better than the Ford Everest.

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[madmax2]

Both types of power steering work fine and it would not affect the choice of new vehicles in my opinion

Reliability, service and repairs, spare parts supply and resale value are more import things to worry about

If these things are not important to you buy what appeals to you the most and hope for everything to work out well for you in the future 

[LGMV]

Yes, I thought the PJS out now was a new launch, so guess any refresh next year would be superficial.

 

 

Is there an issue with Spare parts for Ford?, Assumed that since the cars were manufactured in LOS (and many of the parts are same as the Ranger) that parts were also readily available?  understand that non-manufacturer parts (cheaper, but made in China?) may not be so readily available for Fords as they would be for Toyotas and others.  Also with all the rangers around for so long in Thailand isn't servicing a Ford fairly routine?

[DavisH]

4 hours ago, Robert24 said:

I've not heard about a complete overhaul of the Pajero and a complete new generation to be launched next year. I doubt it since this model has just recently launched and is selling well, a lot better than the Ford Everest.

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For the PJS, I assume it will be a minor model change. Really hate those tail lights and hope something is done about that! They make the proportions of the vehicle look unusual. 

[Gary A]

3 hours ago, LGMV said:

Yes, I thought the PJS out now was a new launch, so guess any refresh next year would be superficial.

 

 

Is there an issue with Spare parts for Ford?, Assumed that since the cars were manufactured in LOS (and many of the parts are same as the Ranger) that parts were also readily available?  understand that non-manufacturer parts (cheaper, but made in China?) may not be so readily available for Fords as they would be for Toyotas and others.  Also with all the rangers around for so long in Thailand isn't servicing a Ford fairly routine?

 

Ford told me that they guarantee spare parts within 24 hours or they are free. That sounds like they have a lot of faith in their parts suppliers. 

 

I don't have a lot to compare as to the steering. The EcoSport is very easy to steer for parking or sharp turns. There is a huge difference between my Isuzu and the Ford. I can't feel any difference for highway driving. Both are fine.

[NanLaew]

10 hours ago, MINIMIGLIA said:

Talking utter BS as usual, My new PJS is nothing like my old PJS, again trying to protect your crappy pickup looking everest, which you are welcome to.  and as for the poor reliability. well you just put you head deeper into the sand!

What was I saying earlier about being more mature and savvy?

 

8 hours ago, LGMV said:

It is interesting to note that a new PJS in coming out in 2018?  Is that confirmed? and any idea what part of the year that would be?  Have also heard that a new Everest refresh is on the card for 2018 but only with minor changes like perhaps button start and camera in the rear view mirror.

Since Pajero's are of little interest to me as they get smaller in the rear-view, I got the info from wiki where Mitsubishi said in 2014 that the 'next generation' would be in 2018. Maybe that referred to the Montana or Shogun or whatever less embarrassing name it gets in other markets? The Pajero fan boys reckon "this model has just recently launched" but then again, Toyota has been snowing their Fortuna fan boys the same way for years. Different skins, new chrome and badges, new sound system, same underpinnings. Having said that, I will be happy to learn if there's a definitive and different generational Pajero time line for the Asian market though.

 

The Everest changes in 2018 will be relatively minor for existing markets with the big differences reserved for variants being released on the US market, along with the re-introduction of the Ranger to North America.

 

Either way, no harm in waiting to see what does prevail next year IMHO.

 

4 hours ago, LGMV said:

Is there an issue with Spare parts for Ford?, Assumed that since the cars were manufactured in LOS (and many of the parts are same as the Ranger) that parts were also readily available?

For cars assembled in LOS, there's typically no issues with Ford spare parts and personally, their 24-hour guarantee has worked unless I was ordering stuff that wasn't part of the original Thai build. There's been a few horror stories about Ranger owners being fobbed off with unacceptable delays while parts allegedly have to come from overseas. Since these are local builds, it serves to indicate where the bad dealerships are, ie. the ones that don't want to expend money on customer service. Phuket seems an utter shambles but with the exception of a few Bangkok outlets, I haven't seen a whole lot of debate about this on various local Ford owner forums. A recent thread here indicated delays waiting for parts for a 5 or 6 year-old marque that wasn't assembled locally. Things have improved in Thailand and it's a case of that was then, this is now. The problem is long memories of people who for the most part, never owned one. FWIW, Ford service in Australia seems really dire.

 

 

[JaseTheBass]

I don't think the Pajero sold here is a Pajero. Isn't it the smaller Pajero Sport?

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[LGMV]

thanks for the input regarding steering and new models and PARTS, as doing more research, am looking into the sound levels of card.  did notice the FE was a little bit quieter. seems that these sources show the decibel levels of FE and PJS as idle and full throttle and FE does come in quieter (more so at idle) not sure if this is the noise cancelling software

 

                           FE    PJS

in car idle db    44    52

Full throttle db 77    84

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2017 by LGMV
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[JAS21]

14 minutes ago, LGMV said:

thanks for the input regarding steering and new models, as doing more research, am looking into the sound levels of card.  did notice the FE was a little bit quieter. seems that these sources show the decibel levels of FE and PJS as idle and full throttle and FE does come in quieter (more so at idle) not sure if this is the noise cancelling software

 

                           FE    PJS

in car idle db    44    52

Full throttle db 77    84

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes...the EV has noise cancelling. If those figures are correct the difference is huge ...

 

The EV self parks  ... It works well and now I have no worries about 'curbing' it.

 

The ride is smoother than the other two. Been described as floating down the road.

 

I have to admit you are certainly doing some research. 

 

If you can't decide by now may I suggest drawing straws ... get the wife to do the drawing ... no blame on you then ... whatever go for the top of the range model...less chance of being unhappy ....

Edited August 14, 2017 by JAS21

[LGMV]

thanks, not needing to buy till next jan so using the time for research, really do think that BOTH cars are excellent and neither choice would be regretted (yes top models).  

 

another piece of research I found but not corroborated is that the PJS has an awkward USB access point for phones, I expect that there is a workaround for this but any one have any experience

 

 

[Pdaz]

Can't see any difference between them. Just pick which ever has the most torque and best power to weight ratio. and comes in a colour you like.  If you want handling dynamics or real performance you need to look at a Porsche Cayenne, Range Rover Sport or a GLE63. 

[MINIMIGLIA]

1 hour ago, LGMV said:

thanks, not needing to buy till next jan so using the time for research, really do think that BOTH cars are excellent and neither choice would be regretted (yes top models).  

 

another piece of research I found but not corroborated is that the PJS has an awkward USB access point for phones, I expect that there is a workaround for this but any one have any experience

 

 

It has blue tooth, the usb is behind the screen, folds down and is very accesible, never use mine just plug my charger into the fag lighter when required.

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, JaseTheBass said:

I don't think the Pajero sold here is a Pajero. Isn't it the smaller Pajero Sport?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Challenger

 

Thanks for that and there you have it, all new in 2016 (third generation). I stand corrected but I would have thought the aficionados would have at least got the name right?

[eezergood]

I was in the same situation but went with the Pajero as I felt it offered the best bang for buck of the 2

[NanLaew]

Just now, MINIMIGLIA said:

It has blue tooth, the usb is behind the screen, folds down and is very accesible, never use mine just plug my charger into the fag lighter when required.

I guess hiding the Pajero's USB hole behind the screen that needs to be folded down first to gain access would make it 'relatively inaccessible' when compared to the Everest that has their USB hole right there, lower-center of the middle console, exactly where most users would need it to be.

 

Everest has BT too (their SYNC3 software is much superior to the admittedly lamentable earlier two versions)... and at the last count, the Everest has up to 4 'fag lighter' holes.

[NanLaew]

Just now, LGMV said:

thanks, not needing to buy till next jan so using the time for research, really do think that BOTH cars are excellent and neither choice would be regretted (yes top models).  

 

another piece of research I found but not corroborated is that the PJS has an awkward USB access point for phones, I expect that there is a workaround for this but any one have any experience

 

 

Maybe also take into consideration where the greater part of your servicing will be done. Ford has a very patchy reputation in that regard and although PS owners may be afforded less chance of sh!t after-sales service, it would be good to know if the dealership where you intend to buy and/or will get it serviced doesn't have any bad marks from otherwise happy owners. Having your preferred vehicle can be a miserable experience if the dealership is a circus, regardless of the brand.

[eezergood]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Maybe also take into consideration where the greater part of your servicing will be done. Ford has a very patchy reputation in that regard and although PS owners may be afforded less chance of sh!t after-sales service, it would be good to know if the dealership where you intend to buy and/or will get it serviced doesn't have any bad marks from otherwise happy owners. Having your preferred vehicle can be a miserable experience if the dealership is a circus, regardless of the brand.

very very true!

[Xaos]

Got fortuner trd. Steering becomes easier with time. More stiff at the beginning.

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[superglue]

We compared the Fortuner, Isuzu and Pajero. Pajero were offering free 4WD at the time which we never use.

My criticism is the width of the front seats - insufficient width.

[eezergood]

1 minute ago, superglue said:

We compared the Fortuner, Isuzu and Pajero. Pajero were offering free 4WD at the time which we never use.

My criticism is the width of the front seats - insufficient width.

you mean your @ss is too big..........

[NanLaew]

Just now, superglue said:

We compared the Fortuner, Isuzu and Pajero. Pajero were offering free 4WD at the time which we never use.

My criticism is the width of the front seats - insufficient width.

With PS made primarily for the SE Asian market, the more 'rotund' farang may indeed be a bit challenged. Maybe next year they'll have a 'Still sporty but fatter than the locals' option?