Yingluck judges provided with police guards

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeedy Eric! 

Lordy BB

[Baerboxer]

16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You still reading those old files. Both countries may started as socialist but not now when their economic are going free fall and hyperinflation. The countries are broke BB. Nothing for the people.

 

Both have gone nationalistic by nationalizing foreign assets. Venezuela has been hostile to foreign companies and drove them out. Zimbabwe chased the Indians out. Nationalistic, no?

 

OMG!

 

Let me get this right Eric. You seriously believe that that an extreme socialist government, by nationalizing assets, foreign owned or otherwise, becomes a nationalist government? So you think Mugabwe and Maduro are not socialists anymore but have become fascists?

 

Lenin and Stalin nationalized everything in site - guess you think they were fascists to then?

 

Btw both went broke because of abysmal policies, poorly executed and managed, and the vast corruption perpetrated by themselves, their families and their cronies. The only reason they nationalize anything is so they can thieve it!

[HungWell]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

55555. Eric can you give me one PTP/TRT/PPP politician charged, let alone convicted, during the course of their government. They are pretty good at going after the opposition, for themselves they try to write amnesties.

 

But wait, I have one for you, you beloved leader Thaksin. Which goes to prove the independence of the courts, not TRT following the law, as he was charged outside their governance.

 

Balance that up with Manas Kongpan, currently serving 27 years for trafficking, and Maj Gen Jaroon Arpha currently being investigated for extortion.

Prime Minister  Samak Sundarvej was charged and convicted whilst PM.

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsuawt was charged and convicted whilst PM.

All executive members of PPP were charged and convicted whilst in office.

 

No PTP/TRT/PPP politician has received any amnesty - ever.

All members of both the 2006 and 20014 coups have received full amnesty.

 

Do you think Manas's conviction had anything to do with the international media reporting on the mass graves or was it purely to do with the junta clamping down on crime?

 

"He was involved in such an obvious way ... at a time when the junta was really trying to show themselves to be clean," said Paul Chambers, an expert on Thailand's military.

"He is going down because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/rise-and-fall-of-lieutenant-general-manas-thailand-s-top-human-9055822

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HungWell]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Not just military governments do that. Zimbabwe, Venezuela and a few African countries elect a populist government. That government then takes corruption to new highs. Only getting them out ain't gonna happen very easily if at all.

 

Cambodia looks to be heading that way too.

Making false comparisons of Thailand to Zimbabwe, Venezuela and a few African countries does nothing to disprove the fact that the current junta government is completely unaccountable to anyone unlike the previous elected government which had several state agencies such as the NACC constantly hounding them.

[Eric Loh]

57 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

OMG!

 

Let me get this right Eric. You seriously believe that that an extreme socialist government, by nationalizing assets, foreign owned or otherwise, becomes a nationalist government? So you think Mugabwe and Maduro are not socialists anymore but have become fascists?

 

Lenin and Stalin nationalized everything in site - guess you think they were fascists to then?

 

Btw both went broke because of abysmal policies, poorly executed and managed, and the vast corruption perpetrated by themselves, their families and their cronies. The only reason they nationalize anything is so they can thieve it!

Keep this simple. No one but you say Mugabe and Madura are fascists. You can't be socialist when your actions are nationalistic. Both countries are self preserving for their own survival. There are no resources for socialistic distribution of income. They shun foreign businesses and turn inwards to their supporters to remain in governments. 

[Happyman58]

7 hours ago, rtco said:

Yep I reckon so ... the verdict was already guilty even before they tried her.

As we say in Australia " she is already a shot turkey"  Odds if you are a betting man Guilty 5/4 Not Guilty 100/1

[halloween]

1 hour ago, HungWell said:

Making false comparisons of Thailand to Zimbabwe, Venezuela and a few African countries does nothing to disprove the fact that the current junta government is completely unaccountable to anyone unlike the previous elected government which had several state agencies such as the NACC constantly hounding them.

And which they systematically ignored. In case you have forgotten during your name change, that is the basis of the court case, refusing to act after NACC et al warned of the mounting losses of the rice scam.

 

And I believe the ombudsman is still waiting an explanation of Thaksin's passport.

Edited August 16, 2017 by halloween

[HungWell]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

And which they systematically ignored. In case you have forgotten during your name change, that is the basis of the court case, refusing to act after NACC et al warned of the mounting losses of the rice scam.

 

And I believe the ombudsman is still waiting an explanation of Thaksin's passport.

Just because your opponents (because that's what the NACC is, an enemy of elected governments) tell you change a policy doesn't mean they are right or that you have to do so.

 

You say they didn't listen to the NACC, others may say they did listen to the NESDB

 

The Office of the National Economic and Social Development Board declared it necessary to continue the rice pledging scheme until Thailand fully entered ASEAN community in 2015.

[halloween]

Just now, HungWell said:

Just because your opponents (because that's what the NACC is, an enemy of elected governments) tell you change a policy doesn't mean they are right or that you have to do so.

 

You say they didn't listen to the NACC, others may say they did listen to the NESDB

 

The Office of the National Economic and Social Development Board declared it necessary to continue the rice pledging scheme until Thailand fully entered ASEAN community in 2015.

An enemy of elected governments? The clue is in its name. Are the TDRI enemies of government too, when they warned of the likelihood of huge losses, smuggling, corruption, and the total ineffectiveness in its stated aim?

"The Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI), a private non-profit foundation that researches public policy, analyzed the rice pledging scheme in 2012 and identified several disadvantages. (Advantages and Disadvantages of Rice Pledging Scheme [in Thai] TDRI (Sept. 2012).) For example, it found that the farmers who would receive the most benefit from the scheme would be high to moderate-income farmers (around 1.185 million households), because they are capable of cultivating considerable amounts of rice for the purpose of selling their product to the government. (Id.) In contrast, low-income farmers possess only the ability to cultivate rice for consumption by their own households. Thus, they would not have enough rice to enter into the rice pledging scheme. (Id.) Furthermore, THAI PBS found that only 8% of farmers would benefit from this scheme. (1 Year: Problems of Rice Pl
edging Scheme of Yingluck Administration, supra.)

In addition, TDRI considered that fraudulent or corrupt activities might occur in the implementation of the rice pledging scheme. (TDRI, supra.) For instance, Cambodian scholars estimated that more than 500,000 tons of rice from neighbors of Thailand were smuggled into Thailand to substitute for the Thai farmers’ rice before the latter was pledged to the government."  http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/thailand-crisis-in-thai-rice-pledging-scheme/

 

Apparently she did listen to the warnings, but I assume was over-ruled from abroad.

"In June 2013, the Prime Minister announced that beginning on July 1, the amount paid to farmers for pledging rice would be cut by 20%. (Murdoch, supra.) However, she reversed this decision when the announcement brought protesting farmers to the streets of Bangkok."

[HungWell]

1 minute ago, halloween said:

And guess what, they were bloody well right. As any body with any sense could see that the whole thing was an electoral bribe, at huge expense, using other peoples money.

Yeah, and perhaps if they had not been so blatantly biased immediately after the election they may have had a bit of credibility left and actually been able to be taken seriously.

[chainarong]

DPM Pawtwit showcases  the type of country it really is.............................................

[halloween]

37 minutes ago, HungWell said:

Yeah, and perhaps if they had not been so blatantly biased immediately after the election they may have had a bit of credibility left and actually been able to be taken seriously.

Sycophants lie to make the masters feel better. Making an accurate assessment is not blatantly biased just because it contradicts your fantasy, and their credibility is wholly re-inforced by the inevitable disaster that resulted. Other reliable agencies made a similar assessment, were they all 'blatantly biased" as well?

Your statement that they could not be taken seriously is based not on accuracy or perceived bias, but on the loss of face involved in admitting that your prime policy and electoral bribe needs to be abandoned or seriously modified.

[HungWell]

8 minutes ago, halloween said:

Sycophants lie to make the masters feel better. Making an accurate assessment is not blatantly biased just because it contradicts your fantasy, and their credibility is wholly re-inforced by the inevitable disaster that resulted. Other reliable agencies made a similar assessment, were they all 'blatantly biased" as well?

Your statement that they could not be taken seriously is based not on accuracy or perceived bias, but on the loss of face involved in admitting that your prime policy and electoral bribe needs to be abandoned or seriously modified.

Yeah, basically all the non-elected appointed agencies are controlled by those who simply cannot win elections and act solely to undermine democracy and line the pockets of the rich. TDRI is fervently anti-Thaksin and pro rich, Dr Ammar Siamwalla has long had close relations with the yellows from the PAD through to the PDRC. You can't be a partisan hack and expect to be treated as an impartial expert.

[wakeupplease]

All this confirms what many farangs have been worried about for a long time, It's time to get out like so many have over the last 3.7 years.

 

Don't forget to get your money if you can find it.

[HungWell]

5 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

All this confirms what many farangs have been worried about for a long time, It's time to get out like so many have over the last 3.7 years.

 

Don't forget to get your money if you can find it.

3.7 years?

[Happyman58]

45 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

All this confirms what many farangs have been worried about for a long time, It's time to get out like so many have over the last 3.7 years.

 

Don't forget to get your money if you can find it.

Well i am not leaving Thanks

[robblok]

14 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

Well i am not leaving Thanks

He left already himself now he tries to convince others to do the same so he feels justified in his decision. 

 

As long as there is no open civil war with bombs going off all the time I am good here. 

[tomta]

16 hours ago, webfact said:

Judges assigned security

By The Nation

 

 

SOME RED SHIRTS ‘PLAN TO STAY HOME’ FOR YINGLUCK VERDICT DUE TO MONITORING
 

BANGKOK: -- SECURITY officers will be sent to guard judges in the high-profile case involving former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra to maintain order ahead of the announcement of a verdict.

 

The panel of nine judges hearing the case in the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Political Office Holders, and their residences, will be under guard until after the court delivers its verdict on August 25.

 

The order came after Army chief General Chalermchai Sitthisart, who is also head of the Peace and Order

Maintaining Command, yesterday called a meeting of security forces to assess expectations about the situation on the day of the verdict.

 

Yingluck has been charged with negligence in preventing corruption and irregularities related to her government’s rice-pledging scheme, which allegedly caused massive financial damage to the country.

 

Authorities have been closely monitoring movements by Yingluck’s supporters ahead of the verdict.

 

The meeting concluded that supporters would mainly come from outside Bangkok, including Pathum Thani, Nonthaburi, Samut Prakan and Ayutthaya provinces, where there are strong bases of Pheu Thai Party and red-shirt supporters, according to a source at the meeting. The source said security officers had been instructed to closely monitor local leaders in other areas in the North and Northeast who might mobilise supporters.

 

 

Security forces have estimated that 1,000 to 2,000 people will show up to support Yingluck at the court. However, authorities were not concerned about the supporters, but of a “third party” that might provoke chaos, the source said.

 

Officers would also consider the sources of funding for supporters’ trips to Bangkok, the source said, adding that the total cost of all the passengers in a single van visiting the capital would amount to Bt100,000.

 

Other modes of transport that might be used by Yingluck supporters include free train services provided by the government. People travelling by train would probably arrive a couple of days before the verdict and meet at assembly points in Don Muang and Lak Si districts near the Supreme Court, the source added.

 

Chalermchai said in the meeting that everyone should do their duty in ensuring peace and order, as well as to create an understanding with people regarding the issue, the source said.

 

Initially, government forces would stick with security measures referred to as “Korakot 52”, which was considered a “soft” security plan, to cope with the situation, the source said, adding that another meeting would be called next week to reassess the situation.

 

Meanwhile, a red-shirt leader in Chiang Mai, who asked not to be named, told The Nation that the movement was being closely monitored by security personnel, who had asked if supporters planned to be in Bangkok for the verdict.

 

Red-shirt leaders had told security personnel they would stay home but give Yingluck moral support, the source said, adding that leaders had not been in touch with one another or discussed politics recently.

 

Anyone travelling to Bangkok for the verdict would do so privately, the red-shirt source said.

 

Stern warning

 

 

 

In a related development, Interior Minister Anupong Paochinda said there had not been any irregularities found in the spending of local administration organisations in connection with possible trips to support Yingluck.

 

However, organisations across the country had been instructed that spending had to be in line with laws and regulations, the interior minister said.

 

The Office of the Auditor-General |had floated the idea that local administrative organisations could have misused |state budgets to fund trips in support of Yingluck.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30323912

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-08-16

So complete bullshit and provocation then?

[zzaa09]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

He left already himself now he tries to convince others to do the same so he feels justified in his decision. 

 

As long as there is no open civil war with bombs going off all the time I am good here. 

Sure.

Too many invent reasons to be falsely uncomfortable, whereas any hypothetical repression doesn't exist for everyday situations.

Sabai sabai.

[tomta]

10 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

Partly but the truth is the new 'elected' government will be neutered and harmless to the rich elite who have been sent by God to run the country.

Probably true, things have been stitched up fairly tightly by the junta. The faint hope is that an elected government may, by virtue of being elected, have some moral authority that it can use to break the junta leash. Who knows?

[billd766]

17 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

Well i am not leaving Thanks

 

Me neither.