Boonsong suffers the fate of the ‘hired gun’

[pornprong]

Just now, halloween said:

Is it that difficult to separate the yellow movement from the military. Even when they are being forced to pay damages for their protest by the courts you claim are under the control of the junta? Or does it suit your agenda to couple them?

The various incarnations of the yellow movement all have one unchanging commonality - military masters.

(more to the point - Eastern Tiger military masters)

 

It is not difficult to separate the yellow movement from the military - it is impossible to separate the yellow movement from the military.

 

Anyone denying that the yellows and the military are one and the same has zero credibility.

 

Just now, halloween said:

Those that didn't vote for PTP have every right to protest when they show themselves to be as corrupt and self-serving as was expected, when they see the police being suborned by bribes and nepotism, and billions of baht of public money being stolen and wasted under the rice scam.

Nobody is saying that anyone does not have the right to protest (except Prayuth, he of course denies everyone the right to protest).

 

Does your support for the right to protest extend to those that did vote for PTP and are unhappy with the many unsavoury acts of the current regime? 

 

Just now, halloween said:

In which part of the world is that unreasonable, as Squeegee claimed? Oh that's right, you don't know anything about Boonsong's theft and think Yingluk did a good job. Welcome back, can't keep a good propagandist away.

I don't know the details of Boonsong's case to a good enough level to pass judgement. In a normal situation the best one can do is put their faith in the courts getting it right - this being post 2006 Thailand though, there is absolutely zero possibility any rational being would put their faith in the Thai courts.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ricardo]

53 minutes ago, pornprong said:

If the concern was amnesty, then why after three years has there still not been an election?

 

I would certainly have hoped that there would have been an election before now.

 

However a certain major-event last autumn has surely changed their plans, whatever they were, and right now their focus is on maintaining internal-stability until that has fully worked-through ? 

[pornprong]

7 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

 

I would certainly have hoped that there would have been an election before now.

 

However a certain major-event last autumn has surely changed their plans, whatever they were, and right now their focus is on maintaining internal-stability until that has fully worked-through ? 

The coup was May 22 2014, over two full years before your "certain major event".

Why no election in that 2 plus year period?

 

The army can ensure internal stability just as well when there is democracy as when there isn't.....if they want to.

 

It is not about maintaining internal stability but about creating a system that can withstand democracy and the advances of the modern world to allow the same old families to profit off the masses.

[Ricardo]

9 minutes ago, pornprong said:

The coup was May 22 2014, over two full years before your "certain major event".

Why no election in that 2 plus year period?

 

The army can ensure internal stability just as well when there is democracy as when there isn't.....if they want to.

 

It is not about maintaining internal stability but about creating a system that can withstand democracy and the advances of the modern world to allow the same old families to profit off the masses.

 

I was trying to answer your previous question, " why after three years has there still not been an election? ", you are now changing the question.

 

 

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, Ricardo said:

 

I was trying to answer your previous question, " why after three years has there still not been an election? ", you are now changing the question.

 

 

No, I'm not changing the question.

Your answer may begin to explain why there was no election after the "certain major event" but it offers nothing to explain why there was no election between the time of the coup and the time of the "certain major event".

 

In the three years since the coup, you've attempted to answer year three but ignored years one and two.

[Ricardo]

Yet another red-troll is consigned to the Ignore-button.

[pornprong]

3 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

Yet another red-troll is consigned to the Ignore-button.

The best way to maintain one's ignorance and prejudices.

[halloween]

2 minutes ago, pornprong said:

The best way to maintain one's ignorance and prejudices.

As told by an expert.

[bannork]

52 minutes ago, pornprong said:

The coup was May 22 2014, over two full years before your "certain major event".

Why no election in that 2 plus year period?

 

The army can ensure internal stability just as well when there is democracy as when there isn't.....if they want to.

 

It is not about maintaining internal stability but about creating a system that can withstand democracy and the advances of the modern world to allow the same old families to profit off the masses.

One reason  there was no election was  because the draft of the new constitution was rejected, forcing a complete rewrite.

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

One reason  there was no election was  because the draft of the new constitution was rejected, forcing a complete rewrite.

Draft constitution written by who and rejected by who?

 

[bannork]

15 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Draft constitution written by who and rejected by who?

 

You should ask a man called google, he is very helpful. You can find him lurking around computers, phones, etc. He must be some kind of geek I guess.

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

You should ask a man called google, he is very helpful. You can find him lurking around computers, phones, etc. He must be some kind of geek I guess.

The question was rhetorical.

It was written by Junta lackeys and rejected by Junta lackeys.

Almost as if it was deliberately planned to further delay elections don't you think? 

[bannork]

5 minutes ago, pornprong said:

The question was rhetorical.

It was written by Junta lackeys and rejected by Junta lackeys.

Almost as if it was deliberately planned to further delay elections don't you think? 

Perhaps, though if the second one had been rejected by the people (which Thaksin recommended), then Prayuth would have been in a difficult position.

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Perhaps, though if the second one had been rejected by the people (which Thaksin recommended), then Prayuth would have been in a difficult position.

I guess it's lucky for Prayuth that the referendum was held under such free and fair conditions with no restrictions on any sort so that the true wishes of the Thai people were properly reflected in the outcome. The most recent constitutional referendum held Thailand is truly the high water mark in mankind's experimentations with democracy.

 

Are we ignoring the question as to why there was no election held in the 2 plus years between the coup and the "certain major event"?

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, pornprong said:

I guess it's lucky for Prayuth that the referendum was held under such free and fair conditions with no restrictions on any sort so that the true wishes of the Thai people were properly reflected in the outcome. The most recent constitutional referendum held Thailand is truly the high water mark in mankind's experimentations with democracy.

 

Are we ignoring the question as to why there was no election held in the 2 plus years between the coup and the "certain major event"?

We are certainly ignoring the topic which is the fate of Boonsong because he acted as the lackey of a powerful member of the nouveau riche.

[Squeegee]

7 hours ago, halloween said:

I was commenting on your statement that " pro-yellow behave unreasonably ". What is unreasonable about demanding your government is not corrupt?

 

1. That is not the case. That's what 'pro-yellow' means. They actively support the junta government and/or overlook crucial factors.

 

2. It is unreasonable to demand a government to be not corrupt in the current situation: the only way forwards is to be civilised and allow people a voice in order to work towards a better tomorrow.

 

[Squeegee]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Im disrespectful because the other side is too. If you post bad things about the shins your a junta hugger or opposed to democracy. Your remark was not really respectful either and never touched the facts of this topic. Just a ohhh so nice to see all those in favor of the junta in one topic. One can condemn the Shins and junta on actions they did both sides did some good things too.

 

Posting bad things about the Shins whilst overlooking the junta - who are actually in government, wrongly by any law in any land - shows your bias and lack of reason. Not much to be taken seriously there, I'm afraid. On the contrary, you alienate people by calling them 'reds' and it makes you look silly. The implication is you can't maintain a position without deflecting or misrepresenting.

[scorecard]

26 minutes ago, Squeegee said:

 

Posting bad things about the Shins whilst overlooking the junta - who are actually in government, wrongly by any law in any land - shows your bias and lack of reason. Not much to be taken seriously there, I'm afraid. On the contrary, you alienate people by calling them 'reds' and it makes you look silly. The implication is you can't maintain a position without deflecting or misrepresenting.

 

And your conveniently ignoring lots of details about the paymaster and his paid company yes men (the pt red parliamentarians) none of whom every make a speech in parliament because they were forbidden to do so, and more, is that what democracy is all about? 

[scorecard]

40 minutes ago, Squeegee said:

 

1. That is not the case. That's what 'pro-yellow' means. They actively support the junta government and/or overlook crucial factors.

 

2. It is unreasonable to demand a government to be not corrupt in the current situation: the only way forwards is to be civilised and allow people a voice in order to work towards a better tomorrow.

 

 

Crucial factors - what does that mean?

[Squeegee]

20 hours ago, scorecard said:

Crucial factors - what does that mean?

 

Like claiming the junta government are keeping the peace and working against corruption. For not recognising the oppression and for patronising and disrespecting normal folk who should not have their right to vote, assembly or free speech taken away.

 

Stupid, time-wasting argumentlike "They never had true freedom anyway" and suchlike are rather disgusting apologies for supporting an oppressive regime.

 

And it is so boring and unnecessary to have to keep repeating these basic points.

 

Ad nauseaum. Ad nauseaum. Ad nauseaum.

[Squeegee]

20 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

And your conveniently ignoring lots of details about the paymaster and his paid company yes men (the pt red parliamentarians) none of whom every make a speech in parliament because they were forbidden to do so, and more, is that what democracy is all about? 

 

None of that matters.

 

What matters is for Thai people to have a democratic process so they can remove corrupt people themselves. If the Thai people choose Thaksin or Prayuth it's up to them. If they get cleaned up or not, it's up to them.

[halloween]

5 minutes ago, Squeegee said:

 

Like claiming the junta government are keeping the peace and working against corruption. For not recognising the oppression and for patronising and disrespecting normal folk who should not have their right to vote, assembly or free speech taken away.

 

Stupid, time-wasting argumentlike "They never had true freedom anyway" and suchlike are rather disgusting apologies for supporting an oppressive regime.

 

And it is so boring and unnecessary to have to keep repeating these basic points.

 

Ad nauseaum. Ad nauseaum. Ad nauseaum.

I guess we all have our own idea of what is important in life. For you it seems to be the temporary and rather mild oppression of political rights as some remedy is sought to the governmental disasters foisted on the minority of voters.

Others consider that keeping the peace, prosecuting those who have betrayed the trust put in them, and reducing the opportunities for corruption as more important.

I suppose what really makes you sick to the stomach is the acceptance by Thais of the current regime. tough TIT.

[Squeegee]

3 minutes ago, halloween said:

I guess we all have our own idea of what is important in life. For you it seems to be the temporary and rather mild oppression of political rights as some remedy is sought to the governmental disasters foisted on the minority of voters.

Others consider that keeping the peace, prosecuting those who have betrayed the trust put in them, and reducing the opportunities for corruption as more important.

I suppose what really makes you sick to the stomach is the acceptance by Thais of the current regime. tough TIT.

 

As I said, unreasonable: "Temporary" is not the system they are putting into place. You come across as dishonest as they do for parroting their propaganda....

 

A "minority" of people comes across as deceit since you have never adequately justified your position that Shin votes were bought.

 

Your claim they are "prosecuting those who have betrayed the trust put in them" is their propaganda again, it certainly doesn't reflect reality, like your basic failure to explain the junta amnesty for themselves and their lack of transparency with regards to finance and nepotism. So what is there in your words to be taken seriously?

 

Your final line: "I suppose what really makes you sick to the stomach is the acceptance by Thais of the current regime. tough TIT" - that is just stupid talk.

 

So... ridicule.

[baboon]

On 03/09/2017 at 11:25 AM, bannork said:

Perhaps, though if the second one had been rejected by the people (which Thaksin recommended), then Prayuth would have been in a difficult position.

I doubt it. He had the option of 'Well you're getting it anyway. Got a problem with that?'

Sure, a few people might speak up, but the general public would soon get the message after a few protesters rupture their own livers in custody...

[greenchair]

I just don't understand why the mods don't delete most of the posters. This is not about red yellow shirt army or any of that. There are other threads. 

This topic is about if boonsong deserved 42 years. Most of the posts don't even refer to boonsong. 

It's pathetic the biasedNess in this forum. 

[Squeegee]

1 minute ago, greenchair said:

I just don't understand why the mods don't delete most of the posters. This is not about red yellow shirt army or any of that. There are other threads. 

This topic is about if boonsong deserved 42 years. Most of the posts don't even refer to boonsong. 

It's pathetic the biasedNess in this forum. 

The story cannot be taken separately from its context. The forum posts cannot be taken separately from theirs.

 

It's impossible to discuss stories like this without a lot of time-wasting posts to negate misleading bias or propaganda. It would be lovely to simply come here and comment on how a corrupt politician got his due, or how this is not proper justice for whatever reason - but however you look at it there are more fundamental underlying issues that inevitably will keep playing out until enough hearts and minds have changed (and they do sometimes) one way or another.

[stephen tracy]

On ‎9‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 8:33 AM, robblok said:

My hobby is lifting weights and staying in shape. Debating politics is just a distraction to keep both sides sharp.

I ask you again what is wrong with punishing corrupt ministers who stole around 30 billion. 30 billion that could have helped a lot of rice farmers including those who killed themselves waiting for money that was never paid. This already started b4 YL stepped down.

You will hear me cheering as loud if they get an army man or democrat with his hand in the till. But now its the reds who otherwise would have gotten away with it that are punished. As long as they were in power they worked against all investigations of the program or had some light weight ones to say there was no corruption.

You might not understand but unfortunately it takes a change of government to bring out the truth. Its the same with the democrats. That is why Thailand no real democracy. Other mechanisms would have been as powerful as a government change to root out corruption. But it does not work that way here as governments when they come in power place their men in key positions to sabotage investigations.

Example YL slashed the budget of the NACC when she came in power.

And the BS that voting keeps things in check is laughable the farmers would have voted her in always as long as they got the high rice prices even if the policy wrecked the country.

Aha, that would explain your pic. I know this is off topic but I stopped going to the gym a year ago due to an injury, and although I'm fine now, I have never managed to muster the motivation to go back. Now instead of pecs I have tits. Shameful.  Need some inspiration to get back in there before I get in even more out of shape.  It seems the longer you leave it, the harder it is to get back into it. Sorry, thinking aloud.

[bannork]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

I doubt it. He had the option of 'Well you're getting it anyway. Got a problem with that?'

Sure, a few people might speak up, but the general public would soon get the message after a few protesters rupture their own livers in custody...

 

1 hour ago, baboon said:

I doubt it. He had the option of 'Well you're getting it anyway. Got a problem with that?'

Sure, a few people might speak up, but the general public would soon get the message after a few protesters rupture their own livers in custody...

The people who suffered ruptured livers had nothing to do with Prayuth as you probably well know.

Thaksin told the people to reject the constitution.  They could have done but they did not, Probably many just wanted an election and thought never mind the details of the constitution, better to vote for it and move on.  I believe it would have been difficult for Prayuth to stay in office if the Thai public had said no.

Anyway, back to the topic, Meechai urged  Boonsong to spill the beans and name  the mastermind behind the rice scam, but does he dare?  I doubt it.

[halloween]

1 hour ago, Squeegee said:

 

As I said, unreasonable: "Temporary" is not the system they are putting into place. You come across as dishonest as they do for parroting their propaganda....

 

A "minority" of people comes across as deceit since you have never adequately justified your position that Shin votes were bought.

 

Your claim they are "prosecuting those who have betrayed the trust put in them" is their propaganda again, it certainly doesn't reflect reality, like your basic failure to explain the junta amnesty for themselves and their lack of transparency with regards to finance and nepotism. So what is there in your words to be taken seriously?

 

Your final line: "I suppose what really makes you sick to the stomach is the acceptance by Thais of the current regime. tough TIT" - that is just stupid talk.

 

So... ridicule.

Well if you have no counter arguments, ridicule away. But is yourself you make look ridiculous.

The junta is putting a system in place to limit the power, and the corruption, of an elected government. The CURRENT situation is temporary.

The 49% of those who didn't vote PTP are a minority,  one that were served up a government that wasted hundreds of billions of baht and achieved very little. When that minority sees evidence presented in parliament of corruption and waste, they have a RIGHT to see it investigated and controlled, even prosecuted, not simply denied and ignored. Is that a surprise that the citizens that didn't vote for a government still have rights? Oh that's right, you'd rather change the subject to the junta.

I can see it burns, the lack of shows of discontent by the electorate at large. Is that why you resort to flaming?

 

[daboyz1]

Used and dumped by the Shinawatra clan? Never!!  They're in 5 star houses in Dubai. You're in jail. 
 
Next bunch of gullible fools and lambs, please.

Yep. I was somewhat surprised the man in Dubai didn't leave his sister out to dry. In the end I suppose you have to take care of your clones.

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