CU defends its punishment of eight students

[rooster59]

CU defends its punishment of eight students

By The Nation

 

A photo showing CU assistant rector Reungwit headlocked and dragged fourth-year economic student Suphalak Bamrungkit out of the oath taking area

 

Disrespect to Thai morality, failing to maintain the university’s prestige and performing practices against Thai culture are among accusations faced by former student council president Netiwit Chotiphatphaisal and other seven students for allegedly misbehaving during Chulalongkorn University’s (CU) oath-taking ceremony.

 

As a result of breaking these rules, Netiwit and his colleagues have had their behaviour points deducted by 25 points. Since Netiwit and four others had served in the CU student council, they were removed from those posts.

 

CU explained on Friday that this is because the students broke five articles stipulated in CU’s 1984 regulations on student discipline. 

 

They are:

 

Article 4: “Students must always strictly follow all laws, rules, regulations, announcements or orders of the University or their faculty”;

 

Article 5: “Students must follow Thai good moral, ethical and cultural principles on all occasions”;

 

Article 6: “Students must maintain unity, orderliness and the University’s image and prestige”

 

Article 7: “Students must behave themselves gently and not behave in ways that may damage themselves, their parents, their guardians, or the University” and

 

Article 12: “Students must not perform any tradition or practice deemed inappropriate to Thai culture.”

 

The eight students were accused of creating a disturbance at CU’s traditional oath-taking ceremony on August 3. Instead of sitting on the ground and paying their respects like all other students, they chose to walk away from their positions spots, and stood and bowed before statues of the late King Rama V and VI.

 

Their conduct sparked controversy as one lecturer was then pictured head locking and dragging one of the standing students out of the area.

 

The CU determined that the eight students’ actions amounted to misconduct.

 

Netiwit and the Student Council said that CU’s inquiry had itself been unjust, leaving little room for the students to justify their actions.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30325553

 

 

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[Ruffian Dick]

I want to adopt those kids.

[barrywhite]

Everything that's  wrong with "Thai Society" in those "rules", they should make those students  heads of the faculty and chuck out the old farts whose only job is to oppress the  young and instil those crappy "values" which they started enforcing at the earliest age from the  marching up and down at junior  school.

Scum the lot of them, and they call themselves "educators"

[EyeOfRa]

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Everything that's  wrong with "Thai Society" in those "rules", they should make those students  heads of the faculty and chuck out the old farts whose only job is to oppress the  young and instil those crappy "values" which they started enforcing at the earliest age from the  marching up and down at junior  school.

Scum the lot of them, and they call themselves "educators"

 

 

So, barrywhite, would we be correct in thinking you don't consider that teacher pictured dragging the student away in a head lock to be setting a good example of "gentle" behaviour and &c? 

 

The mere fact that a supposedly prestigious university uses "behaviour points" speaks volumes.

[jaltsc]

"...Thai morality...  university’s prestige..." 

 

Stop already. All these oxymorons are making me dizzy.

 

Article 4: “Students must always strictly follow all laws, rules, regulations, announcements or orders of the University or their faculty”;

 

Article 5: “Students must follow Thai good moral, ethical and cultural principles on all occasions”;

 

Article 6: “Students must maintain unity, orderliness and the University’s image and prestige”

 

Article 7: “Students must behave themselves gently and not behave in ways that may damage themselves, their parents, their guardians, or the University” and

 

Article 12: “Students must not perform any tradition or practice deemed inappropriate to Thai culture.”

 

Until they graduate and then they can act as typical adults. Do whatever it takes to further ones self, and if they get caught, bribe the proper authorities, make ceremonial merit in front of as many people possible and then resume their nefarious activities.

Edited September 1, 2017 by jaltsc

[Odysseus123]

Ah..Thailand-the hub of headlocks.

[kotsak]

Protect and preserve serfdom at all costs..

 

[rkidlad]

In the American constitution it talks about working together and sacrificing for each other. This sort of attitude will bring about happiness. But the thing I like the most is 'the right to peruse happiness'. This means that you're free to do whatever you like (within what's legal) and you don't have to conform and salute the flag, etc. 

 

Everyone should be given this right. We should all be free to do whatever we want when we are adults. Uni students are adults. They're there to learn and and think outside the box. Not to sing songs about their love of something or to wye inanimate objects.

 

This is why I've been with my missus for 10 years. She's proudly Thai but she's also a firm believer of the "oh, just leave me alone" philosophy. 

[lamecn]

3 hours ago, jaltsc said:

"...Thai morality...  university’s prestige..." 

 

Stop already. All these oxymorons are making me dizzy.

 

Article 4: “Students must always strictly follow all laws, rules, regulations, announcements or orders of the University or their faculty”;

 

Article 5: “Students must follow Thai good moral, ethical and cultural principles on all occasions”;

 

Article 6: “Students must maintain unity, orderliness and the University’s image and prestige”

 

Article 7: “Students must behave themselves gently and not behave in ways that may damage themselves, their parents, their guardians, or the University” and

 

Article 12: “Students must not perform any tradition or practice deemed inappropriate to Thai culture.”

 

Until they graduate and then they can act as typical adults. Do whatever it takes to further ones self, and if they get caught, bribe the proper authorities, make ceremonial merit in front of as many people possible and then resume their nefarious activities.

Have you ever read: THE LOVE STORY OF A NOTORIOUS WOMAN, NANG KAKI.

A story of  Thai culture and morality.

[newcomer71]

And not any reprimand for the "professor"...

Nothing has been learned or gained from the democracy process since the beginning, and now things are going way backward.

Dark times...

[lupin]

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Article 4: “Students must always strictly follow all laws, rules, regulations, announcements or orders of the University or their faculty”;

 

Article 5: “Students must follow Thai good moral, ethical and cultural principles on all occasions”;

 

Article 6: “Students must maintain unity, orderliness and the University’s image and prestige”

 

Article 7: “Students must behave themselves gently and not behave in ways that may damage themselves, their parents, their guardians, or the University” and

 

Article 12: “Students must not perform any tradition or practice deemed inappropriate to Thai culture.”

 

How about simply replacing the word "students" in the above rules with "faculty" and see if they can see the hypocrisy.

[Lupatria]

For years I’m trying to figure out what makes this such a sick society. Thanks to the article, today I am one step closer to the answer.

[nikmar]

The PM complains that Thai students need to learn critical thinking skills and then when someone expresses some critical thinking they get headlocked and punished.

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[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

CU explained on Friday that this is because the students broke five articles stipulated in CU’s 1984 regulations on student discipline. 

 

They are:

 

Article 4: “Students must always strictly follow all laws, rules, regulations, announcements or orders of the University or their faculty”;

 

Article 5: “Students must follow Thai good moral, ethical and cultural principles on all occasions”;

 

Article 6: “Students must maintain unity, orderliness and the University’s image and prestige”

 

Article 7: “Students must behave themselves gently and not behave in ways that may damage themselves, their parents, their guardians, or the University” and

 

Article 12: “Students must not perform any tradition or practice deemed inappropriate to Thai culture.”

In other words

 

Baaaaaaaa ? 

[Briggsy]

Now is a particularly risky time to be questioning authority and challenging existing systems of political power, both within and without the university.

 

I admire their bravery.

[Thingamabob]

Business as usual. Most Thais kept in the dark and fed on s..t. Never going to change. 

[sandemara]

Why would Chulalongkorn University deliberately choose to pour shit on its own face by adopting the enquiry procedures and findings it has come up with?

It must put into severe doubt the status of CU as a top-tier institution under any sort of measuring tool, except those adopted by places like N. Korea or other fascist dictatorships.

And I used to think CU authorities actually had some pride in their principles and worth of its education values and philosophy.

Just a big hypocritical joke with a small sense of integrity.

[Briggsy]

14 minutes ago, sandemara said:

Why would Chulalongkorn University deliberately choose to pour shit on its own face by adopting the enquiry procedures and findings it has come up with?

It must put into severe doubt the status of CU as a top-tier institution under any sort of measuring tool, except those adopted by places like N. Korea or other fascist dictatorships.

And I used to think CU authorities actually had some pride in their principles and worth of its education values and philosophy.

Just a big hypocritical joke with a small sense of integrity.

I don't disagree with what you have said but I am interested why you thought that CU had any serious history of placing freedom of thought and academic prinicipled behaviour above the wishes of those that hold power in this country.

 

Here's a couple of examples from the last decade which show there is precedent of this toadying to those in high positions.

 

Years of foot-dragging before rescinding plagiarised phD of government official

 

Banning anti-government works from its bookstore

 

Thammasat and Ramkhamhaeng have far more form in standing up to political pressure than Chula ever has.

 

 

[tomta]

4 hours ago, Briggsy said:

I don't disagree with what you have said but I am interested why you thought that CU had any serious history of placing freedom of thought and academic prinicipled behaviour above the wishes of those that hold power in this country.

 

Here's a couple of examples from the last decade which show there is precedent of this toadying to those in high positions.

 

Years of foot-dragging before rescinding plagiarised phD of government official

 

Banning anti-government works from its bookstore

 

Thammasat and Ramkhamhaeng have far more form in standing up to political pressure than Chula ever has.

 

 

Quite right, Briggsy. Sad to say that Thammasat is retreating from its more noble past. 1. Suthep declared a "national strike" in 2013 or 2014 (can't quite remember). The rector ordered Thammasat (even the Lampang campus 7 or 800 kilometers away from any possible trouble) to close on that day as a spurious "security measure". It looked to the world as though Thammasat went on strike in support of Suthep. 2. Dr. Somsak, a TU history professor, was visited by gunmen who fired into his loungeroom and car. What university anywhere in the world would not issue a statement condemning violence against one of its members regardless of their political views? Answer: Thammasat. 3. After the coup, DR Somsak having been threatened by Prayuth personally with LM charges and having experienced the violent attack I described went into exile. He was sacked by Thammasat for being AWOL. This action stripped his job and his pension rights. 4. Dr Somkid Lertpaiboon, the rector of TU, immediately joined the NLA after the coup and later the Constitution Drafting Committee. He did not resign as Rector to take up these jobs. A similar situation happened with a Mahidol dean and Mahidol forced him to choose one job or the other. 5. An independent thinking transgender student, Aum Neko, who made some provocative posters questioning uniform policy (Thammasat does not mandate uniform but individual professors and departments can and do) was vilified by the Thammasat administration. Like Dr Somsak, she is now in exile. 6. Thammasat provided bus parking and a base camp for Suthep's protesters. 7. Thammasat banned public meetings held by law professors who wanted to discuss issues such as lese majeste. 8. Thammasat put limits on what could be said in student performances and theatre.