Thaksin Guilty In Land Case, Gets 2-year Imprisonment

[Plus]

Morejunk, that extradition article is dated Oct 21 - any progress?

I thought I saw words like "immediately" there.

Current Atotrney General is under investigation for corruption in SW airport case (hello CTX!), and he has already dropped six(?) cases against Thaksin and co, all of them were eventually taken by the courts when AEC filed them on their own.

Care to guess where his loyalties lie?

[Samuian]

My belief that the PAD path to dictatorship is unwise in no way equates to any support for the ex-prime minister. Nor does it lessen my intense dislike for some of his actions. If the only solution to the current problems is to eliminate any possibility that in the future the people can remove an unpopular government at the ballot box then the pathway is opened to real bloodshed.

Well, whatever an illegitimate move to oust a prime minister who said that he did step, down, then was an interim prime minister of an interim government, yes/no /no/ yes... remember?

A mand who claimed he will step out of politics, but next decided otherwise at random, however he felt just.

And the ballot boxes, yes, the "democratically elected government" yes, but massive election rigging and fraud, it is always the same crony gang at work and now there are some people who understand that if there aren't any significant changes done to the system, this gang of cronies is so comfortable with, nothing will ever change and Thailand will be held at their rapaciousness, due to the immense grace of these "influential figures"......something needs top be done!

Any suggestions, "democratic elections"?

where the electorate has not really a choice?

UN troops and UN Controllers?

Quite funny is that neither the police nor the army wants to make a move, except the move on 7th October that was so badly instigated, to disperse the PAD supporters from Government House, doesn't this raise suspicions?

Doesn't it raise big questions what Takky is really trying to do?

Is he helping to solve the situation or is he working hard to have it escalate, to have his frozen assets back, his "honor" reinstalled and celebrate his comeback?

Doesn't this carry much more highly volatile ingredients than this Puppet Show called PAD?

Edited November 1, 2008 by Samuian

[plachon]

Thanks S.J. for that and for making the important, respectful comparison of Queen Elizabeth and Queen Sirikit.

What splendid selfless contributions and sacrifices both have made for their respective countries and the world in general.

How sad and yet predictable that YH has to once again posted what i consider a double edged, mischief making comment.

marshbags

Quite apart from the fact you are (a) flaming and ( in clear breach of forum rules, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Oh dear.................here we go again!

Mai roo ruang ............... the classic defence of a politician caught red-handed or with his pants down around his ankles.

[tig28]

My belief that the PAD path to dictatorship is unwise in no way equates to any support for the ex-prime minister. Nor does it lessen my intense dislike for some of his actions. If the only solution to the current problems is to eliminate any possibility that in the future the people can remove an unpopular government at the ballot box then the pathway is opened to real bloodshed.

Well, whatever an illegitimate move to oust a prime minister who said that he did step, down, then was an interim prime minister of an interim government, yes/no /no/ yes... remember?

A mand who claimed he will step out of politics, but next decided otherwise at random, however he felt just.

And the ballot boxes, yes, the "democratically elected government" yes, but massive election rigging and fraud, it is always the same crony gang at work and now there are some people who understand that if there aren't any significant changes done to the system, this gang of cronies is so comfortable with, nothing will ever change and Thailand will be held at their rapaciousness, due to the immense grace of these "influential figures"......something needs top be done!

Any suggestions, "democratic elections"?

where the electorate has not really a choice?

UN troops and UN Controllers?

Quite funny is that neither the police nor the army wants to make a move, except the move on 7th October that was so badly instigated, to disperse the PAD supporters from Government House, doesn't this raise suspicions?

Doesn't it raise big questions what Takky is really trying to do?

Is he helping to solve the situation or is he working hard to have it escalate, to have his frozen assets back, his "honor" reinstalled and celebrate his comeback?

Doesn't this carry much more highly volatile ingredients than this Puppet Show called PAD?

Well, whatever an illegitimate move to oust a prime minister who said that he did step, down, then was an interim prime minister of an interim government, yes/no /no/ yes... remember?

certainly not as you describe it.

A mand who claimed he will step out of politics, but next decided otherwise at random, however he felt just.

hmmmmmmm ?? same.

And the ballot boxes, yes, the "democratically elected government" yes, but massive election rigging and fraud, it is always the same crony gang at work and now there are some people who understand that if there aren't any significant changes done to the system, this gang of cronies is so comfortable with, nothing will ever change and Thailand will be held at their rapaciousness, due to the immense grace of these "influential figures"......something needs top be done!

please advise me of any evidence of election rigging. both sides paid for votes.

Any suggestions, "democratic elections"?

a few suggestions starting with the most important. under no circumstances should a government which cannot be removed at the ballot box be allowed to achieve power anywhere ---for any reason.

where the electorate has not really a choice?

UN troops and UN Controllers?

perhaps an overview committee derived from the more vocal yellow shirted TV members. i'm sorry---couldn't help that.

Doesn't it raise big questions what Takky is really trying to do?

Takky is not here. i don't credit him with the power to leap over tall buildings -- as do some . he is a goose whose day is past. boogy-men under the bed don't frighten me anymore either. but i am waiting eagerly for one of the group to provide evidence that this dill was actually on the grassy knoll. or perhaps the cause of global warming.

Quite funny is that neither the police nor the army wants to make a move, except the move on 7th October that was so badly instigated, to disperse the PAD supporters from Government House, doesn't this raise suspicions?

sorry--- i just don't get this.

Is he helping to solve the situation or is he working hard to have it escalate, to have his frozen assets back, his "honor" reinstalled and celebrate his comeback?

probably some of this ---except the comeback. he shall be arrested --- if he is stupid enough to come back. a goose maybe----stupid no!

Doesn't this carry much more highly volatile ingredients than this Puppet Show called PAD?

can you imagine the volatility should a PAD inspired dictatorship achieve government --- and the people wished--but were unable to dismiss them at the ballot box?

[animatic]

Incoherent drivel.

[Koo82]

Why do some people hate Khun Thaksin that much?

[Samuian]

perhaps an overview committee derived from the more vocal yellow shirted TV members. i'm sorry---couldn't help that.

I see, is it all you can?

Why do some people hate Khun Thaksin that much?

...why does manure stink?

Edited November 2, 2008 by Samuian

[Koo82]

Khun Thaksin did many good things for Thailand. I'm sorry to see him go.

[animatic]

perhaps an overview committee derived from the more vocal yellow shirted TV members. i'm sorry---couldn't help that.

I see, is it all you can?

Why do some people hate Khun Thaksin that much?

...why does manure stink?

Why do birds fly, so high up in the sky?

Why are huddled masses yearning to be free?

Why does Bush seem like an utter idiot?

Why must cows be milked each day?

Why is Som Tam spicy?

OF COURSE!!! ( figurative mental head slap)

Dr. Thaksin Shinawatra

Giver of ALL that is good in Thailand!

No one can dispute he is omnipotent and all knowing.

He knows why you eat in the morning, and poop after lunch.

All 1st born children MUST be named after him.

Dr T. Speaks: The red Mini-Masses listen raptly!

Edited November 2, 2008 by animatic

[Koo82]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

[marquess]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

[Koo82]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

[frodo]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

[Los78]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

Defending drug pushers and drug dealers now??? Hmm I dont see why falangs should be so concerned about the war on drugs issue. It was crack down and the police took tough approach. With any major crack down sometimes the innocent can get sadly affected. I think alot of Farangs forget that they are in THAILAND and not their native countries. Things are done differnently in Asia. If you want to see war on drugs maybe you should visit China, Vietnam, Singapore and other countries where the death penalty applies for such crimes. Stop being a apologist for drug dealers.

[marquess]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

Defending drug pushers and drug dealers now??? Hmm I dont see why falangs should be so concerned about the war on drugs issue. It was crack down and the police took tough approach. With any major crack down sometimes the innocent can get sadly affected. I think alot of Farangs forget that they are in THAILAND and not their native countries. Things are done differnently in Asia. If you want to see war on drugs maybe you should visit China, Vietnam, Singapore and other countries where the death penalty applies for such crimes. Stop being a apologist for drug dealers.

Lets hope that next time neither you or your family are one of the innocent victims, and if you were would your deplorable attitude change?

[frodo]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

Defending drug pushers and drug dealers now??? Hmm I dont see why falangs should be so concerned about the war on drugs issue. It was crack down and the police took tough approach. With any major crack down sometimes the innocent can get sadly affected. I think alot of Farangs forget that they are in THAILAND and not their native countries. Things are done differnently in Asia. If you want to see war on drugs maybe you should visit China, Vietnam, Singapore and other countries where the death penalty applies for such crimes. Stop being a apologist for drug dealers.

Certainly not defending drug pushers at all. Perhaps you should read what was written again...innocent children and innocent people, including the elderly were murdered at the hands of the thaksin regime. It is very clear where you stand...you have condoned the murder of children and innocent people by excusing the whole thing the way thaksin did..."Oh, well." I suppose you take the position that the 85+ Muslims in the south deserved to be suffocated in the back of a truck as well. Yeah, this is Asia, and it's therefore okay for children and innocent people to be murdered, numerous people to be thrown into the back of trucks and suffocated. Starnge when the international community demanded answers, all your boy thaksin could say was something about them not being his grandfather. But, let your boy thaksin get what he rightfully deserves, and he goes to the very same people he loathed for help. As much as I have absolute disregard your ilk, I have to agree with marquess...I truly hope this will not happen to you or your family.

[Koo82]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

When Khun Thaksin was here, the drugs reduced to almost zero.

[jitagon]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

When Khun Thaksin was here, the drugs reduced to almost zero.

And you know this, how? Did you read it in a newspaper? Have you access to any reliable data on this? er, Government statistics?

You know. I keep seeing posters opposed to the PAD's stance, stating they are a group of elitist fascists who simply want to see the downtrodden masses being kept that way. But I've seen a lot of your posts, you're Thai? You are educated, insofar as you can read and write English and use a computer? (And by the by, you can all forget the cracks about bargirls on the internet - they don't post on TV - too many farang rue maak ) But each and every one of your posts points to the fact that you are indeed both elitist, and judging from your recent posting on the general forum concerning your less fortunate compatriots, a fascist.

Edited November 2, 2008 by jitagon

[Plus]

80% of the victims had nothing to do with drug trade at all, but it did send a powerful message to the real dealers and pushers.

Of course 2,000 murders is nothing to some people here, or are they really people? I don't see their humanity in the way they justify killings of bystanders to send a message.

Collateral damage, huh?

Lives are cheap not only in Thailand in general, but on this board, too, kill as many as you have to as long as you achieve your goals.

The funny thing that this comes from same side that calls PAD fascist.

>>>

I didn't think I would live to see the day when TV members would justify killing innocent people in the drug war, but here we are. Middle ages all over again.

[animatic]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

The ONLY way, and you want to call PAD fascists?

That was the cheap and fast way, but it had nothing to do with justice,

just getting police numbers up one way or another. If their 'police work 'couldn't get them up to quota,

anyone available would have to do. Truely a fascist police state mentality.

Yes Thaksin's buddies in northern Burma and Laos have been making more drugs,

He put on a 'big show' and then closed it down. Back to business as usual.

Sadly many innocents had to die for his show and tell extravaganza.

[animatic]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

Defending drug pushers and drug dealers now??? Hmm I dont see why falangs should be so concerned about the war on drugs issue. It was crack down and the police took tough approach. With any major crack down sometimes the innocent can get sadly affected. I think alot of Farangs forget that they are in THAILAND and not their native countries. Things are done differnently in Asia. If you want to see war on drugs maybe you should visit China, Vietnam, Singapore and other countries where the death penalty applies for such crimes. Stop being a apologist for drug dealers.

THAT was a particularly low comment; a flame IMHO.

NO one supported, or apologized for, or excused drug dealers.

Why should farhangs NOT be concerned with drug crazed nuts running low on yaba,

needing a fix, but still out of their minds, looking for cash in our neighborhoods?

No we should not worry just walk about and hope for the best.

Ridiculous!

There was a crack down on Samui recently; no one died innocent or guilty.

No one started shooting willy nilly to stop a woman and child in a car driving off.

Not because their life was endangered, but shot in the back while departing, obviously panicked.

A tough approach for sentencing in China, but they still GET A TRIAL!

No innocents need be killed injured as 'expected collateral damage' as SOP policing.

Here or ANYWHERE.

'Oh this is Thailand people have less value here we can kill then if we want to.'

What a true heinous concept you defend. Don't ever lecture me on morals again.

YOU sir are defending the indefensable and flaming others in the process.

Shame on you!

[animatic]

I wish every leader could be exactly like him. His ability to develop a country is amazing.

Not everyone can love him. That is not strange.

Comments like this are almost beyond comment. I wonder if the 2000 plus people killed in the drugs war would have liked to have had a chance to go to court and prove their innocence? No need Toxic is amazing and denied them that chance. If every leader were like that, Gengis Khan would eventually look like a saint.

That was the only way to deal with drug war. After Khun Thaksin went, see how the drug things have been!

That is the exact arrogant attitude that thaksin had. When children and many other innocent people are murdered during the fallacy known as the "War on Drugs," all thaksin could say was, "Oh, well." Care to explain how killing kids and others who had nothing to do with the drug trade is excusable? thakin certainly did. Perhaps you don't recall the the slaughter of the many Muslims in the south all done under the care and guidance of thaksin. Of course, thaksin the coward forbid any international groups from investigating this. Why? His regime was responsible for the murder, disappearance, and in some cases torture of innocent people. This is only the tip of the ice- berg. Don't be fooled, the drugs are still here. Great leader my arse.

When Khun Thaksin was here, the drugs reduced to almost zero.

And you know this, how? Did you read it in a newspaper? Have you access to any reliable data on this? er, Government statistics?

You know. I keep seeing posters opposed to the PAD's stance, stating they are a group of elitist fascists who simply want to see the downtrodden masses being kept that way. But I've seen a lot of your posts, you're Thai? You are educated, insofar as you can read and write English and use a computer? (And by the by, you can all forget the cracks about bargirls on the internet - they don't post on TV - too many farang rue maak ) But each and every one of your posts points to the fact that you are indeed both elitist, and judging from your recent posting on the general forum concerning your less fortunate compatriots, a fascist.

Almost zero, HAH! I remember 2005-2006,

you had to turn down drug offers in the clubs nightly.

Real pushers wanting your ladies to try just one and tell you if she likes it.

And user street busts were seen and reported most nights.

Just poor sods out of their minds getting hauled in, or beaten.

The same ratios as today. Nothing stopped, it just became more discrete.

It was a big show and backed off some of the bigger networks for a few months.

Nothing more, and then back to business as usual.

Of course Thaksin took mega credit for appearances

and none of the responsabillity for inadvertent deaths.

[sriracha john]

Are we letting trolls derail the thread into the off-topic area of the drug-war when it's been done on-topic in mega threads already?

Bump one of the drug war threads if you wish to discuss the subject. The one by marshbags was the most complete and thorough one...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Bringing-Tha...unt-t92482.html

[Koo82]

I wonder if what we has been discussed about Thaksin this and he being a criminal etc.etc. is only some sort of a cliche... of people who are living in an illusionary dumb sheep kind of follow the leader with the biggest mouth..isn't there anyone here on the forum who has the GUTS to be pro-Thaksin??? I don't understand much about politics...what I do understand is that Thailand after he is ousted has been exposed of not able to handle democracy....The PAD has destroyed more than Thaksin with his " corruption" or criminal activities....foreign investments under Thaksin was more stable...now forget it....I wouldn't want to invest anything into Thailand...No one now will be able to run Thailand with a strong fist...which the Thais need...a strong leader....corrupt or not....so long the majority of Thailand propers isn't that more important??? The poor was benefitting so much, more stability, educational reform, fight against corruption, crime, drugs....all a major push towards a better Thailand...Now it is all going down the hole...just because a small minority rich big mouths are envious of Thaksins successes.....think of this for a minute...hope more people on this forum has the GUTS to also respond.....

Someone thinks Thailand has achieved too much before Khun Thaksin became PM and since they pushed Khun Thaksin out.

[Koo82]

it is bloody shame......

I can not understand, how many pople here and now are happy to se Mr. Taksin Jail.

I ask myself why???

some of you people supported him in the past, and now you are happy to see him go!!!! shame, shame, shame

He still is my Idol....

If you are going to troll at least try to be smart about it.

Those who don't agree with you are trolls. Someone else already said I am one.

[Plus]

You are not the troll, Koo. You just appear to be, ummm, a little bit naive.

It's cute in its own way, please don't disappear.

[jdinasia]

You are not the troll, Koo. You just appear to be, ummm, a little bit naive.

It's cute in its own way, please don't disappear.

Hmmm i don't agree .. it just is not credible that someone could not have ANY clue about Thai politics but choose to comment on it.

edit ---- make that any Thai person, obviously there are plenty of people crying Democracy! when supporting Thaksin, the man that totally damaged Democracy in Thailand

Edited November 7, 2008 by jdinasia

[soundman]

Lets get it back on topic guys.

Please stop the name calling and as SJ has pointed out there are other threads including the current Somchai Government one on drug wars.

[sriracha john]

Thaksin is becoming the world benchmark...

excerpts of...

Lessons From Thaksin Shinawatra's Conviction

A couple of weeks back, a former Prime-Minister of The Republic of Thailand, in the person of Thaksin Shinawatra, was sentenced to two (2) years imprisonment by a Court in the country throwing a wide section of this struggling Asian nation into wide ecstasy and jubilation.

It is noteworthy that ex-PM Shinawatra, who was alleged to have shamelessly looted the treasury of his country, siphoning huge sums of monies abroad, had all along been evading arrest and playing the game of hide and seek, as regards returning back home to answer to these charges. Instead of owning up to his sins, he has preferred to remain in exile in England, where he has continued to live large, throwing money around in reckless extravagance, and at one time even became the owner of topflight English Premier League club side, Manchester City, before he later sold it to the Abu Dhabi Group.

Though Thaksin Shinawatra may have been convicted in absence, however, the Shinawatra's case quickly reminds one of the peculiar corruption in Africa, particularly in Nigeria, and of how many of how leaders have in time past plundered the economy and looted the treasury, and still got away with it. Even though it is not usually unusual for the new governments to quickly institute some phony probe panels and investigative commissions, but the undeniable truth is that they usually fade away as quick as they have come, and only end up been another source of distraction from their real job of governance, deceit, and unnecessary stirring up of the people's hope.

One would like to submit that, the challenge before the EFCC and other anti-corruption agencies at this precarious time is to take a cue from the Asian example.

That is one lesson we can learn. If Shinawatra, with all his wealth and international connection could be brought to face justice, one sees no reason why living past leaders having a multitude of allegations on their neck, can't be made answerable to their sins.

- Daily Independent (Lagos) / 7 November 2008

[Koo82]

LONDON (AFP) — Ousted former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said on Thursday that a two-year corruption sentence against him was politically motivated. Thaksin said in a statement that after hearing the judgement, "I am still confused; there is no evidence of fraud, corruption nor abuse of power."

He said: "I was convicted simply because I was a politician."

Thaksin, who fled to Britain in August, was sentenced in absentia on Tuesday to two years in jail for violating corruption laws when he helped his wife buy a cut-price lot of government land in 2003.

The 59-year-old was cleared of more serious charges of abuse of power and his wife Pojaman was cleared of all charges.

The couple have said they came to Britain because they would not get a fair trial on corruption charges in Thailand.

Writing in a letter to the media addressed from his temporary home in Surrey, southeast England, Thaksin said the Thai court did not appear to have found fault with his wife's purchase of the land.

"Interestingly, the court did not find the sale transaction of my wife unlawful or illegal, they did not convict her because she is not a politician; nevertheless, I was," Thaksin wrote in the letter.

He continued: "If I were to be guilty of anything, that would be what I have shown to the Thai people, especially those underprivileged rural Thais that they can, and have the right to, demand their government to provide effective policy and programs to improve their lives."

Thaksin said he represented a "threat" to various Thai elites who "believe in anything but democracy" because "I represent the principle of liberal democracy which promote hope and pride of the poor of my country (sic)."

Of his country's future, he said he did "not know should I laugh or cry to see the direction Thailand is moving."

He lamented the resignation of the current prime minister's predecessor, Samak Sundaravej, after a Thai court ruled he had illegally accepted payment for TV cooking shows.

But Thailand "is and will remain a great and beautiful country" whose people "will win over this struggle," he added.

Since the judgement, Thai prosecutors have begun gathering evidence to submit to Britain requesting Thaksin's extradition, according to an official in the Thai attorney general's office.

Earlier this month, a British Home Office spokesman said Thaksin and his wife had applied for political asylum, although people close to Thaksin were quoted in Thai media Wednesday as saying that report was incorrect.

Thaksin was overthrown in a military coup in September 2006, and the junta set up a corruption investigation unit to look into alleged abuses of power.

So far, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear five cases against Thaksin.

The land deal verdict on Tuesday was the first judgment against him.

Source: http://hicomrade.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/thaksin-slams-corruption-judgment-as-politically-motivated/