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So my estimate was not so bad:686.000.000.000 Starting this §$% Rice Scheme Scam+180.000.000.000 Returning money from rice sales+ 60.000.000.000 New planed bond injection= 926.000.000.000 disbursed- 130.000.000.000 Stockpile value at best (Assumption of 25% are rotten)- 14.745.000 Bank fees 2012- 4.095.000 Bank fees 2013= 795.981.160.000 Money lost in greedy stupidityAnd here more what shows the disaster.50 Mio ton paddy * 0,7 = 35 Mio ton milled rice.so there are 10 Mio ton milled rice in Stockpile (old crop).+ as I understand the article again 10 Mio ton milled rice from the new crop(of which no one knows how much of it was already paid = open state debs)so 35 Mio ton – 20 Mio ton Stockpile = 15 Mio ton sold.average selling price = 180.000.000.000 / 15.000.000 = sold milled rice for 12.000 Baht ton.!!!Then 10 Mio ton milled rice = 14 Mio ton paddy.14 Mio ton * 14.020 Baht buying price from the farmers new crop = 196.280.000.000 Baht36 Mio ton * 14020 Baht buying price old crop = 504.720.000.000 BahtTogether 701.000.000.000 BahtEstimate of the current debt for unpaid rice:701.000.000.000 - 686.000.000.000 = 15.000.000.000196.280.000.000 Baht – 15.000.000.000 = 181.280.000.000 Baht open state debsThat is then:701.000.000.000 Baht paid from state+ 180.000.000.000 Baht return from sale+ 181.280.000.000 Baht open state debs=1.062.280.000.000 cost (over 1 Trillion already)- stockpile 20 Mio ton (Estimate 20% are rotten)multiplied by the average possible selling price=192.000.000.000 Baht (stock now 16 Mio ton milled rice not rotten)Country loss on state vs. tax payer money from this idiotic scheme870.280.000.000 Baht (gone)I wish the head of the state would lock all responsible selfish, greedy, dishonest, corrupt people in the prison.
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Said:Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparita convicted criminal, convicted in two instances, now free on bailDecember 12, 2013The Appeals Court on Thursday sentenced Pheu Thai party spokesman Prompong Nopparit and another Pheu Thai member to one-year imprisonment without suspension after finding them guilty of defaming the former president of the Constitution Court.No criminals and/or corrupt people on electoral lists!No criminals and/or corrupt people in government, parliament or as a civil servant!Exclude from now on, all persons from the Parliament and from electoral lists whicha have criminal records.b running free on bail.c were already banned from parliament in the past.d against are corruption or crime cases opened.
'which against are corruption or crime cases opened' Is this some kind of word game?
Sorry for my bad English.Just wanted to make it clear.When you hear “crime case” may not everybody think about, that it means also corruption as a crime (in this country).The policeman who take 200 baht from a motorcycle driver, do not think he did a crime or is a criminal.In his self-understanding he is helpful. He give a discount and save the offender time and trouble.Also with politicians. They paid/invest a lot of money to came in power.
The proportion on public projects which he then puts in his on pockets, is then there return on investment.
For them it is more a "fair share", then corruption as a crime.
Low consciousness of injustice.
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Pheu Thai party spokesman Prompong Nopparit accused the Bangkok governor of supporting the insurrection by providing equipment and materials such as sand bags to PDRC.
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pheu-thai-spokesman-gets-one-year-jailterm-without-suspension/
Interesting situation.
That a political party can afford this, to have such people on board.
I hope the Governor of Bangkok will fill charges agains him for libel.
How can a caretaker government accept it, that this convicted criminal speaks in their name.
Twice sentenced, why he gets again granted bail?
He is malicious agitator, a rabble-rouser who can offend all people with impunity.
The immunity of politicians must be abolished.
Consequences for one's own actions must be prosecuted.
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Said:Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparita convicted criminal, convicted in two instances, now free on bailDecember 12, 2013The Appeals Court on Thursday sentenced Pheu Thai party spokesman Prompong Nopparit and another Pheu Thai member to one-year imprisonment without suspension after finding them guilty of defaming the former president of the Constitution Court.
No criminals and/or corrupt people on electoral lists!No criminals and/or corrupt people in government, parliament or as a civil servant!Exclude from now on, all persons from the Parliament and from electoral lists whicha have criminal records.b running free on bail.c were already banned from parliament in the past.d against are corruption or crime cases opened.
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Yingluck later called a meeting with Pheu Thai Party executives and talked via Skype with Thaksin, who said the Constitution did not allow her to resign, according to the sources.
Thaksin does not run the country, I do, says Yingluck, after getting her daily orders from Dubai.
Thaksin, if the report is correct, referred to the Thai Penal Code Section 157; Section 157 quoted below. There must be hundreds, if not thousands of Thai officials to whom this would apply, including Thaksin. I wonder how many have been convicted and serving their sentence.
Criminal Code Section 157: Whoever, being an official, wrongfully exercises or does not exercise any of his function to the injury of any person, or dishonestly exercises or omits to exercise any of his functions, shall be punished with imprisonment of one to ten years or fined from two thousand to twenty thousand Baht, or both.
"shall be punished with imprisonment of one to ten years or fined from two thousand to twenty thousand Baht, or both."
I think the penalty formulation "and/or" is poor. These types of formulations can be found in many legal texts.The minimum penalties are a joke and have no deterrent effect.
The law is open to corruption here. Many rich criminals using this, to get a soft sentence with a pre agreement.Also the bail regulation is urgent to reform.
For example:§ 376Any person who without justifiable grounds shoots an explosive gun in a town, village or amongst a public gathering shall beliable to imprisonment for not more than ten days, or a fine not exceeding five hundred baht or both.
So you can fire a gun in a crowd: 15 Dollar (500 Baht)§ 385Any person who, without lawful authorisation and without necessity, obstructs a public way by placing or leaving any object on it or by any other act to such an extent that the traffic safety or convenience is likely to be disturbed shall be liable to a fine not exceeding five hundred baht.So you can block a highway: 15 Dollar (500 Baht) -
Have Charupong and the PTP got severe learning difficulties?
All the reasons have been repeated over the past 3 weeks from the EC, and they can see what is happening with their own bloody eyes what the problems are. So why do they need to ask what the reasons are 'yet again'??
Pretty simple to undersatnd PTP position. If the EC feels there is danger now from the DPRC demonstrations, and Sutheps has made it clear Yingluck's abdication is non-negotiable, why would any future election be any safer? Suthep was repeatedly stated that the demonstrations will not be violent. So if believed, what is EC's rationale?
".....why would any future election be any safer?"
Because they win time to implement "some" kind of reform, to overcome the division of the country and maybe make it a little bit fairer for all (without corruption).
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Who prints the ballots in this country?The (caretaker) government?I do not belief it.
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Bit lame.The Constitution allows the shift of the elections.No riots?This is probably a matter of opinion.- 45 countries provide travel warnings for Thailand- The UN offers to mediate.- In the north, rice farmers block the highway- In the south are the polling stations blocked.- In Bangkok government buildings are occupied.- In clashes there have been deaths and injuries.- In recent days, daily messages of shootings on the streets.
- A call that the daughters of the army general to be kidnapped.- There are arrest warrants for several individuals which are not enforced.- etc.They fear apparently the reforms.Indeed, if reforms would lead, beside other measures, toexclude from now on, all persons from the Parliament and from electoral lists whicha have criminal records.b running free on bail.c were already banned from parliament in the past.d against are corruption or crime cases opened.Then not many established politicians would remain.About that, they are afraid and that is the real problem.-
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The real question here is ...is it really worth destroying Thailand to replace one corrupt politician with another corrupt politician? I have no doubts that Thaksin is corrupt, but Suthep also is. So why destroy the country if in the end we just end up with money flowing into another corrupt pocket?
Abhisit and Suthep have already demonstrated that they had no intentions of changing the laws for the better while they were in power. They did absolutely nothing. Suthep was charged with distributing land to poor people while he was a politician in the South and the land ended up in the hands of Phuket's richest families, not with the poor people.
When the Democrat government was question about this, they dissolved parliament in order not to have to answer and subsequently lost the next elections.
Come on Jack.
The PT and friends made there pockets full for many years, now the turn is on others.
That would be fair, or not.
Btw the demonstrations are against corruption.
But i agree with you, that is not soooo easy to see.
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Sorry one more thought:“Interior Minister Charuphong Ruangsuwan said on Sunday that the government was preparing for the rallies and discussing what needed to be done.”What a lamp.Perhaps the greatest demonstration is coming, andOn 12.01.2014 he begins to think what must be done for the 13.01.2014And for that he gets paid his salary from the state?What a waste of taxpayers money.That's even worse than corruption.Incredible!!!
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"--- fearing that the situation may lead to a coup."A fast thinker.He now understood why all the people around him are so excited.“The interior minister said he didn’t want to view the EC in a negative light for making such a proposal but
had sympathy for it for bearing a heavy burden at a difficult time.”Yes to clear this bullshit rice scheme and all resulting damages.May you money hamsters help them once and give the EC some accurate numbers.
How much open invoices/debs has the State today against the farmers?
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It is filling up now.
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For those who do not understand tomorrow's protests:
Nice cartoon jack.If you would think a little more further, then you knew what happened with the wolf later.They will rip him open, fill his belly with stones and then throw him into the fountain at the end.So do not worry.-
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Good to read that people with different viewpoints are able to talk to each other and to bring a result that is not marked by division.“A source from the network, who asked not to be named, said the group had assigned members to work on a national reform proposal along five aspects and release it at a forum on January 26. For instance, the TDRI has been tasked to come up with an anti-corruption proposal, while the Assembly for the Defence of Democracy has been told to look into promoting direct democracy.”Am looking forward to the results (think this is the easier part)“The source said that even though the network had declared they disagreed with the PDRC's methods, most members agree that the February 2 election will not resolve Thailand's division. However, they did not mention the issue in order to avoid confusion.”I also look forward to the 'common' compromise, or on their solution.(think that's the hard part)
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There must be a lot of malfunction in the medical system.
Here an article 4 weeks ago:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/688094-thai-health-minister-and-his-top-man-must-go-rds-says/ -
And an other one in clear defiance of the constitution.
CHAPTER IV
Duties of the Thai People
Section 74. A Government official, official or employee
of a Government agency, a State agency, a State enterprise or
other State official shall have a duty to act in compliance with the
law in order to protect public interests, and provide convenience
and services to the public in accordance with the good governance
principle.
In performing the duty and other acts relating to the
public, the persons under paragraph one shall be politically
impartial............
No respect for the government, no respect for the law, no respect to their own constitution
and then they talk about democracy
U do not get it.this government is corrupt.there are no equal rights (law) for all.the constitution has a lot of loopholes and is outdated.Here is no democracy, if the majority is looted from few corrupt people.Why does he say that?Why people feel this way?It seems a lot of people in this country are fully feed up with these unethical politicians.I think he, as a doctor helped more people than all the politicians together in the last 12 years!Now my comment is not what the government or Thailand is or isn't. My comment
was about politicians who want to topple a democratically elected government in an
unconstitutional way because they say, the government acted against the constitution.
Do you get it?
Doesn't matter at all how many people he helped as a doctor but sure not in the last
12 years. As the permanent Health Secretary he's a politician not a doctor and I doubt
it very much, he will even have seen a single patient. In fact, I'm not even sure if he is
a Doctor of Medicine.?
BTW. Dr Mengele did help many people too - before he started butchering people.
Do you get it?
Suppose you don't quite understand what a constitution is!
A constitution is not something you go change ever couple of years.
A constitution has nothing to do with the present government.
Do you get it?
How can a fundamental document in a democracy whose basic function is to express
guiding national principles, establish basic rules, and limit the power of governments,
be outdated within 7 years?
USA's constitution was established in 1787 and had 27 or 28 amendments, not changes,
and has basically still the same principles as the first constitution had.
Switzerland's modern democratic constitution dates back to 1848 and did have two
total revisions in 1874 and 1999, not a change. Apart from the right of referendum and
the right of initiatives those revision did not change anything of importance in substance.
Germany's "basic rules" or "ground rules" where established in 1919 and remained in
effect throughout the existence of the "Third Reich" until 1947 when it got amended and
approved by the allied nations of the second world war. Since then, a few amendments
but no change in basic rights.
Lifespan of a constitution in Europe and Asia last in average between 19 and 32 years.
In 2006, the 1997 constitution of Thailand—considered by many a model of institutional
design adopted with extensive citizen participation—died a peaceful death in a bloodless
coup at the age of nine.
Fine tuning, amendments, revisions with the participation of all parties and the population
fair enough but an other, new constitution? Thailand's new constitution, not even 7 years
old, is still in his baby shoes. Has not even matured yet and some individuals already want
to change it? Even abolish it !!!
Maybe teach basic politics at school first, so the people of Thailand could have a real
understanding of what democracy, constitution, laws, rights and duties really mean.
Maybe then, Thailand has a democratic future which will benefit every single citizen of this
country and not just the ones who don't care about basic rules.
Do you get it?
I like to swap out arguments and learn to,but this sentence from you:"BTW. Dr Mengele did help many people too - before he started butchering people."makes it difficult for me.The comparison (or even as a mental parallel of thinking) with the OP Public Health Minister Dr Narong Sahamethapat, with Dr. Mengele is very very bad style.And yes your sight of the current situation is the only right one.
And you are the only one, who knows what a Constitution is,
so be happy with it.
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"In a related development, a group of university rectors yesterday called for the February 2 election to be postponed to prevent possible violence and the caretaker prime minister to be replaced by a person who is "politically neutral".
"In principle, the caretaker government should be headed by a neutral prime minister. So the current caretaker prime minister may have to be replaced," said Professor Rajata Rajatanavin, chairman of the Council of University Presidents of Thailand."
Agree, a neutral person would be good.
I see no real progress, this government has made in his caretaker mode.
Simply, they do not want it.
Almost all organizations have offered to help with the reforms, instead they only operate their own election campaign,
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he is a permanent secretary to the minister of health, not a paramedic.
Maybe he is then at the frontline and help there with first aid?!And who does he expect to treat the casualties of Monday or does he not care?
And he is encouraging doctors and nurses to Abandon their hypocratic oath (if they adhere to such a thing in Thailand) at a time when severe civil unrest is threatened. A totally irresponsible position to take
He has a MD.
Agree with you that he must speek for himself and not for others.
The hypocratic oath is, that he must help if somebody needs immediately medical help, but this situation exists not at this moment.
I see it more as a warning and as a current expression of dissatisfaction with the political situation, which undoubtedly has an impact on his professional position.
Perhaps he simply logs at 13.01 as ill/sick.
But to expose himself, in his position, there must be a lot of malfunction in the medical system, he and his colleagues are pissed about.
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And who does he expect to treat the casualties of Monday or does he not care?
Maybe he is then at the frontline and help there with first aid?!
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And an other one in clear defiance of the constitution.
CHAPTER IV
Duties of the Thai People
Section 74. A Government official, official or employee
of a Government agency, a State agency, a State enterprise or
other State official shall have a duty to act in compliance with the
law in order to protect public interests, and provide convenience
and services to the public in accordance with the good governance
principle.
In performing the duty and other acts relating to the
public, the persons under paragraph one shall be politically
impartial............
No respect for the government, no respect for the law, no respect to their own constitution
and then they talk about democracy
U do not get it.this government is corrupt.there are no equal rights (law) for all.the constitution has a lot of loopholes and is outdated.Here is no democracy, if the majority is looted from few corrupt people.Why does he say that?Why people feel this way?It seems a lot of people in this country are fully feed up with these unethical politicians.I think he, as a doctor helped more people than all the politicians together in the last 12 years!-
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Forget elections on 2. February, they never will stand the laws...And the most Thai dont want it, get it ...
no we don't 'get it' as most Thais WANT the election and a small group of morons are trying to shut down democracy with the Democratic Party (sic) falling into the trap and trundling along after Master Suthep like lapdogs
the EC are wavering around like straws in the wind - it's embarrassing
Why it's embarrassing? The Election Commission offered the way out of the current crisis by urging Yingluck's government to delay elections in order to stop violence and save lives. Absolutely logical and reasonable suggestion. Yingluck's government did exact opposite and pushed for further confrontation.
Why are they so in a hurry?This is very unthai.1. The Constitution allows subsequent elections or in this country, are now, no riots?2. Many institutions have advised a shift.3. The elections on February 4. would not be valid. It can not come to an opening of parliament.4. Why should again have access to state funds exactly the same corrupt and/or convicted criminals politicians. It would however be further unrest.5. Better to give the CC, the NACC, the EC and the courts time to complete the process clean.6. A good caretaker government would try now to integrate other institutions for reforms in to the process.7. The whole street protests would still lose weight and lose meaning when both sides were really interested in a peaceful and good solution for the good of the country.8. Who makes all this stress? It's just Suthep and the top 12 from PT.9. Give the courts the time to eliminate these figures finally forever from the field. This would really help this country.10. Why not call a new election date? Lets say 01.07.2014. or 01.08.2014Then all sides have time to clear the situation.No one wants to curtail the right to vote in this country.If the elections on February 4 would be carried out, I expect a real bloodbath.-
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What a fiasco.Now the farmers cooperative has landed on the ground of facts.Two years they were all smiling about this 800 Billion money rain.Understandable.If a stupid buyer comes along and pays 40% above the market price, why not.But now the rain is past and the fun stops.Of course, the bank is not willing to burn their own capital and their own reserves for this brainless rice scheme.The damage to the economy and for the farmers is huge.They must stop this §$% rice scheme, but also they must help selectively to alleviate the greatest distress among the farmers.It would be good if the farmers with insider knowledge would call the NACC and giving them a hint about corrupt people
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Just waiting for the PMs announcement that she has not assigned Chalerm to anything......the circus continues and, unfortunately, the country deserves all this.......allowing this bu&&shit to continue for so long......!
"Just waiting for the PMs announcement that she has not assigned Chalerm to anything."
I do not think so. Guess it is the other way around, who orders who.
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