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No obvious victims as in the AP article. The DA in closing only described hypothetical victims.

I posted that same Reuters link 5 days ago: https://aseannow.com/topic/1320175-judge-orders-trump-and-companies-to-pay-nearly-355-million-in-civil-fraud-trial/?do=findComment&comment=18709742

Yes.

Oh.

My internet friends: The Associated Press, the NY Times, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Reuters, the Washington Post(my apologies if I left any friends out) And these days I try to limit my posts to verbatim comments from the above suspects just because that that limits the time others expect me to spend on cross-examination

Sure Engoron can consult with (almost) all the judges he wants even those who handled 63(12) cases. However < An Associated Press analysis of nearly 70 years of civil cases under the law showed that such a penalty has only been imposed a dozen previous times, and Trump’s case stands apart in a significant way: It’s the only big business found that was threatened with a shutdown without a showing of obvious victims and major losses.> https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-business-law-courts-banks-lending-punishment-2ee9e509a28c24d0cda92da2f9a9b689 So no judge has experience with a 63(12) fraud case without 'obvious;' victims. And while Engoron can discuss with and get opinions from other judges about the possible grounds of appeal of his verdict, members of the appellate court have the only opinion that counts and THEY are off limits.

Model Code of Judicial Conduct: Canon 2 Rule 2.9: Ex Parte Communications February 14, 2020 Comment on Rule 2.9 [5] A judge may consult with other judges on pending matters, but must avoid ex parte discussions of a case with judges who have previously been disqualified from hearing the matter, and with judges who have appellate jurisdiction over the matter. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_code_of_judicial_conduct/model_code_of_judicial_conduct_canon_2/rule2_9expartecommunications/commentonrule2_9/

Trump's civil fraud verdict appeal may hinge on 'no victims' defense February 17, 20246:56 AM GMT+7Updated 4 days ago <SKIP> (AG) James, a Democrat, brought her lawsuit in 2022 under New York Executive Law 63(12), which gives her office broad powers to file civil lawsuits for "repeated" or "persistent" fraud. This law historically has been used to protect consumers, investors and small businesses from scams, price-gouging and other predatory business practices. These cases typically involve many victims who lost large sums of money to businesses that exploited their poor financial savvy, according to legal experts. Defendants in those cases have run the gamut, from chicken suppliers to crypto exchanges and loan sharks. A common thread is often a large group of victims who were exploited because the did not know any better, according to legal experts. <SKIP> Severe penalties in a novel case like this one could potentially be met with skepticism on appeal, legal experts said. They could also prompt appellate judges to consider whether the attorney general overstepped her authority, according to Germain. "I think the judges are going to have to look carefully at what the powers of the attorney general are here," Germain said. "Are they so broad that any lie can put you out of business, even if nobody believed it?" Engoron has been unequivocal in rejecting Trump's arguments, saying in a September ruling in the case that Trump's claim about a lack of victims was "completely irrelevant." https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-civil-fraud-verdict-appeal-may-hinge-no-victims-defense-2024-02-16/

from the above CNN link: “In a relationship, ma’am, you don’t – particularly men, we don’t go asking back for anything. So you’re not keeping a ledger of things that you pay for versus the thing that she’s paid for,” Wade said. from ajc.com this morning: Others say they still view the cash response as fishy and too convenient, given that there are no records of her paying Wade or him depositing the money. Gillen seized on that during his questioning of Wade. “You don’t have a single solitary deposit slip to corroborate or support any of your allegations that you were paid by Ms. Willis in cash, do you?” he asked. “No, sir,” Wade replied. https://www.ajc.com/politics/analysis-the-testimony-that-could-shape-judges-decision-in-fani-willis-removal-fight/GBCBE7GYBRB5TI2IUGDSMWHCQY/

'Chicago Ray' walks back trucker NYC boycott, but says 'leave Trump alone' After calling on truckers to boycott driving to New York City in response to the civil fraud judgment that fined Trump more than $350 million last week, "Chicago Ray" has taken back his call to action. "I took that video down from Friday bc it went viral and my Grandson seen it on Tik Tok… I stand with Trump 100% Truckers for Trump," a trucker known as "Chicago Ray" wrote on X, formerly Twitter on Monday morning. Chicago Ray continued writing that drivers can make their own decisions based on their families and their careers. https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-ray-walks-back-trucker-nyc-boycott-says-leave-trump-alone NB I only responded here when I saw the comment to wit: What does the truckers protesting the $355 million Trump verdict have to do with the $355 million Trump verdict?

Independent truck drivers have more responsibilities and are not entitled to the same benefits as employees (company drivers). They are free to make their schedule, choose their work, and pick their equipment (depending on the company they sign up with) https://www.cloudtrucks.com/blog-post/independent-truck-driver

The Truck Driver Shortage in the US Continues posted by AJOT | Aug 03 2023 at 12:09 PM As the saying goes, “Houston, we have a problem,” and it’s a big problem at that! The US has a massive shortage of truck drivers. According to a recent study, more than 80,000 drivers are needed to make up a shortage in America this year. And unfortunately, this problem doesn’t look like it will be solved anytime soon. It is believed that by the year 2030, there will be a shortage of 160,000 truck drivers. This is a worrying figure considering we rely on the trucking industry. https://www.ajot.com/news/the-truck-driver-shortage-in-the-us-continues

Truckers for Trump to boycott driving to New York City after $355M fraud ruling 'Chicago Ray' rallying other truck drivers to refuse shipments to NYC in wake of fraud ruling Stepheny Price Fox News Published February 18, 2024 7:35pm EST A group of truck drivers who support former President Trump have announced they will not be driving to New York City as a means of expressing their disappointment with the civil fraud judgment that fined Trump more than $350 million last week. This all comes in response to Trump being barred from operating his business in New York for three years and being found liable for more than $350 million in damages in the civil fraud case brought against him, his family and the Trump Organization by New York Attorney General Letitia James. https://www.foxnews.com/us/truckers-trump-will-boycott-driving-new-york-city-after-355m-fraud-ruling

I don't know. I was only responding to the notion that a surety would accept as collateral properties that are not free-and-clear. MBS could always just offer Trump use an oil well as collateral.

Using Real Estate to Secure Appeal Bonds How is the equity determined by the surety? In order to determine the equity, sureties typically require an appraisal, which the client has to pay for. Residential appraisals typically only cost a few hundred dollars, but commercial appraisals can run in into the thousands depending on the type of property. There are instances where a surety may be willing to waive an appraisal such as a property in a good area, free and clear of debt, and worth substantially more than the appeal bond required. https://courtsurety.com/appeal-bonds/using-real-estate-to-secure-appeal-bonds/

Just to note at the World News header it says: Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source. It also says in the Forum Rules section: 27. You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Only post a link, the headline and three sentences from the article. Content in the public domain is limited to the same restrictions. It does not say that one can only post as per 'fair use' from 'an approved credible source' NOT behind a paywall.

As of 2021, the building's official owner is GMAC Commercial Mortgage, according to the New York City Department of City Planning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower from https://nypost.com/2024/02/16/us-news/a-look-at-trumps-lavish-nyc-real-estate-portfolio-he-may-lose-control-of/

Maybe. but that is a different issue. whether he ends up in jail or not, I certainly hope he is not again President.

Oh. But since neither Putin or the Saudis have yet to kick in, I will stick more likely with the Saudis BTW 'write a check' is a figure of speech

Do you think the NY State Court would accept a check from Putin?

Whatever might be Putin's great wealth, he doesn't have the liquidity of MBS and the Saudis who could just write a $300 million check, no questions asked.

Trump’s finances hit by New York fraud case ruling: ‘I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million’ BYBERNARD CONDON AND THE ASSOCIATED PRESS February 17, 2024 at 11:12 PM GMT+7 The impact on funding for future businesses could be crushing, though. Without access to banks, he may be forced to use cash to finance new ventures, something that real estate moguls are loath to do and that won’t be easy given his cash payments. Still, only banks appear banned in the ruling, leaving Trump free to borrow from fast-growing alternative financiers, the private equity and hedge funds that make up the so-called shadow banking world. “I could imagine a load of private equity funds with very little prospects sitting on a bunch of dry powder saying, ’Hey, we’ll lend you $300 million,’” Columbia law school professor Eric Talley said, adding, “I can imagine the Saudis lending him $300 million.” https://fortune.com/2024/02/17/trump-finances-new-york-fraud-case-ruling/

30 days from the 8 FEB 2024 Judge Kaplan Judgment and, as best I can tell, he hasn't filed yet.

Different perspective: The opponents of Ms. Willis reveling in the situation are not only political ones, but also the sort of enemies prosecutors rack up on the job, like Latasha Kendrick, the mother of Yak Gotti, one of the rappers charged in a racketeering case brought by Ms. Willis against the YSL, the rap record label prosecutors have characterized as a gang. “She’s about to get a taste of her own medicine,” Ms. Kendrick said as she watched the hearing from the Atlanta courthouse. “She don’t look like the big bad wolf now.” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/us/fani-willis-case-trump.html

Do you make up these lines all by yourself or do you have a gag writer?