KhunLA

I simply like toying with numbers. Cost really isn't an issue, though I keep it practical. Don't need a truck, 4X4, 7 psgr SUV. luxury or a high performance car. Just the 2 of us. Most of our driving isn't even necessary. But if owning a car, any car, is going to put a crimp on your finances, simply live in a town/area that has decent public trans. I guess why most expats enjoy Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Hua Hin, Pattaya, even Udon Thani had decent baht buses for cheap transport around town and surrounding area. I can't deal with the congested areas, and simply enjoy the freedom & independence of a car, though realize it is a luxury expense for many now of days. Definitely can cost as much as your housing cost. A vehicle buy in, cost to operate/maintain, (especially ICE) and insure is probably one's largest monthly expense, if new car. Especially if you trade in every 3 or 4 yrs. Even keeping it 10 yr. 700k buy in, 70k a year, shy of 6k a month, before you use it. 6k car ... 200 baht a day sitting in your carport 4.5k for 91 (20k kms year) 10k+ monthly before insurance & maintenance. 333 baht a day, when buses cost 10-20 baht, though most live in 15 minute city scenario anyway. Same as most folk's monthly rent & eclectic cost, if living on the cheap.

Y'all want to send some of that down our way. Took the scooter out yesterday, first time in a while. That's brutal, and that warm breeze isn't that refreshing. Thoughts of adding a side cart, just for the roof, to ride in the shade, since it's usually just the dog & myself, cruising slow, top speed of 60 kph. Don't want to dry her eyes out.

Yes, that's what our EV cost. And our ICE version (mid level of 3 at the time) cost 695k, on sale at the time at the entry level price, or it would have cost 739k, I think. Top end then was 799k. Which would be a fairer comparison, as having most of the same options as EV, except sunroof, which we don't want in TH. Which would put it cost to 150k additions price, but we'll stick with actually numbers for us. So that 4.5 - <6 yrs ROI is probably conservative, for a much better performing car. I also rounded up the price of PEA, as nobody paid 5 baht, for easy math. You wouldn't use MG Supercharger, unless you couldn't charge at home. You could even use CS vendors that use off peak rates, of 5.5 baht per kWh, if really wanting to knock some baht off, about 25%. Also based on 20k of local driving as what most do. Same as ICEV owners, cost would go up when O&A, as hwy speed use more energy/fuel when maintaining constant 90kph, or trying to. So the same for both when O&A. Especially since off peak rates at some vendors on weekends, when you would be O&A. Of course, the more you drive locally, the more you save. When living at Udon Thani, I was putting on 70 kms a day, with 2 school runs daily, 6 days a week, 18.5k a year, (265 days) just taking the wee one to/from school for 9 months. If you picked up the EV, on one of it's discounted months, (about 4 last year) cost would only be 869k, I think. That would knock off about 2 year., making it 2.5-,4 yr ROI. As stated, you're getting a more comfy ride, that performs much better than the ICE version. The ROI and future savings is just a plus. Really a no brainer for someone spending 20k kms or more a year in their car.

That's nice ... 😷

If you don't have solar, though much quicker than your 229k or even 190k kms. Our EV cost 250k more than the ICE version, and if we save 55k a year w/solar, driving locally (20k kms), that ROI in <5 years. Apparently I was being generous with 40-50k a yr, and based on past calculation with lower petrol price. New & revised 20k kms / 360 kms = 55.5 full charges X 1000 baht saved = 55.5k baht a year. 250k baht / 55.5 = 4.5 years = 90k kms, with our solar via PEA ... only 42k saved per year 55.5 X 232 baht = 13k less than solar savings 55k so only 42k baht saved per year. 250k / 42k = <6 yrs / 120k kms Don't forget those oil changes & tune ups, saved along the way to 90 or 120k kms; 8 or 11 oil changes & 2 full tune ups.

Not sure how it would work (or how long) with half empty bottle ...

Not nearly enough. Nothing but black smoke all day every day, churned out by those dinosaur engines, burning that dinosaur fuel

Works out for both of us. You stay employed & enjoy all the comforts that come with, but then spend 1000 baht, taxes included, along with your fellow petroleum users. You do realize, you're paying your company, to pay your salary, along with your extra fuel taxes, probably to pay your company's subsidies Where all I've paid is the VAT and I think I get most of that back, via road upkeep, and help with social programs, so wife gets that almost free universal healthcare here. Along with saving 1000 baht, less taxes included. About 40-50k a year, and basically will pay for our solar system, in <10 yrs, on petrol savings alone. Only difference, I have to smell your damn exhaust when out on the scooter, or strolling in a congested area. Along with your fumes helping to dump down the masses. Which explains quite a bit THANKS

sea grass dying from imaginary high temp (1c over 100 yrs) OR sea grass dying from very real pollution you decide

Might have been made on day off, or before/after shift. Had bunch of bags along the 1 wall, and a bunch of pallets staged at another wall.

I've always been anti War, as don't consider any since WW II that were justified for USA to be involved. I graduated in 1973, and Nam was starting to wind down. My small hometown lost 4 to that silliness.

This caught my ears the other day, and I think SN is the last one she talked about:

That's crazy. I'm simply not paying that much for 4 wheels. Too thrifty, and I'm simply not a car person. As much as I like driving the ZS EV, was quite happy with the ICE version, and thought that was a silly price, @ ฿700k, but better than the entry level JP badged 'made in TH' offering starting @ w600k, at the time. Take away the govt incentive alone, would be enough, and then add a low 10% tax and I wouldn't even look at BEVs. I think I would have seriously considered a Suzuki Carry, and a RV, conversion on the back bed Something practical for me, as at that point, still didn't knew I was staying in TH. 2018-2020 was the 'am I staying in TH' question period, as the not so wee one was at Uni, at Krung Thep, a place I didn't want to live. Before I lop down another ฿20k for a new car, needed to decide if staying, since no real reason to stay in TH Liquidating everything and testing PKK out as living destination. Sedans for me are out. Got tired of 'made in TH' entry level crap (3 already), and JP imports are silly price IMHO.

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Yep ... keep it in the news, anything to not promote BEVs and make people think there's an alternative right around the corner. They and big oil/fossil fuel conglomerates ain't giving up the profits of their high maintenance ICEVs. Why BEV development has be stifled outside of CH.

Sorry, can't help, same as you, only passed through. But agree, should be a bit cooler, less concrete, more green. Total district population <16k, so don't expect too much of a town. Booking.com showing a few hotels: Strangely, G maps not showing much at all, when they usually show more than B.com

Appears everyone else is late to the party also, since H2 tech has been around for well over 25 yrs, and nobody seems to want to make use of it, for personal vehicles anyway. 4 countries using, but doubt if much is used for personal vehicles. source

Anything is better than petrol & especially diesel

Cook it well done ...

Toyota .. https://electrek.co/2024/03/01/toyota-says-it-would-rather-buy-credits-than-waste-money-on-evs/

Spring cleaning ... don't forget your air purifier ... ... and yea, that's embarrassing Amazingly, they still work fine, taking AQI/PM2.5 down to single digit, if now -0- Guessing will work a bit more efficiently, with less stress on motor now.

People really need to stop saying that, unless they want to come off as being extremely ignorant. Maybe on a weekend or long weekend, to/from tourist destinations, there might be a Q. Of course, you could have spent the 40 baht extra, and booked a time slot. Or simply go to next CS down the road. Our last O&A was on a long holiday weekend, and no Q's anywhere for us, or anyone waiting more than 5 mins for us to finish.