rooster59 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Fears alcohol tax may increase hard-liquor consumption By The Sunday Nation Thai Health Promotion Foundation manager Supreeda Adulyanon The Thai Health Promotion Foundation expressed concern yesterday that the new alcohol excise-tax structure would drive drinkers to consume more cheap white liquor at the expense of their health. Foundation manager Supreeda Adulyanon said the number of estimated drinkers in the country has remained constant recently. Many people have turned to drinking beer instead of liquor, he said, but the new excise tax structure would cause beer to become more expensive in terms of its level of alcohol in comparison to that of white liquor. Supreeda worries that drinkers may turn to white liquor, with a resulting increase in health problems. The Finance Ministry is scheduled to enact a directive enforcing the new tax structure as of September 16. The new tax would be calculated based on retail prices rather than on producer prices as is now done. The new tax would create a level playing field for producers. Some critics have claimed that the current approach works to the benefit of some producers over others. Those in favour of the new approach argue that market forces should decide retail prices and tax authorities should enforce the law accordingly. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30325615 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-09-03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harada Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Lao Khao nectar of the gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inThailand Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) Fears alcohol tax may increase hard-liquor consumption Isn't the main goal of sin taxes is to curb alcohol consumption? I guess LOS is more concerned with the increased revenue stream. Edited September 2, 2017 by inThailand fat fingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 1 hour ago, rooster59 said: The new tax would be calculated based on retail prices rather than on producer prices as is now done isn't that what VAT is ? I hope everyone is ready for the massive price increase that is coming - just like the supposed 2-3% on ciggies which turned out to be 30-40% .........expect the same with alcohol or maybe even more They have to pay for those subs somehow and it seems that hitting tourism is the way to go lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sletraveler Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 The cheap liquor, Thai whiskey is nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inThailand Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, smedly said: isn't that what VAT is ? I hope everyone is ready for the massive price increase that is coming - just like the supposed 2-3% on ciggies which turned out to be 30-40% .........expect the same with alcohol or maybe even more They have to pay for those subs somehow and it seems that hitting tourism is the way to go lol A more likely scenario is the bottles will once again get smaller rather than increase the price. Soon, we will just get a shot of beer for the same price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, inThailand said: A more likely scenario is the bottles will once again get smaller rather than increase the price. Soon, we will just get a shot of beer for the same price! That is going to be one very small bottle Everyone knows Prayuths view on alcohol (which is fine up to him) but PM to extend those personal views into the economy is a grave error, Thai booze is already expensive when compared to other countries in the region and in some of the tourist areas is actually more expensive than countries in the west, this will have the effect of reducing tax revenue and certain tourists will think twice before coming here when far cheaper alternatives are available. They really need to think this one through before it is put in place, there are already many businesses that are struggling as it is. If he is so anti alcohol why not use article 44 and ban it altogether If Thailand really wants to see tax revenues increase then combating the endemic disease of corruption is how you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inThailand Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, smedly said: That is going to be one very small bottle Everyone knows Prayuths view on alcohol (which is fine up to him) but PM to extend those personal views into the economy is a grave error, Thai booze is already expensive when compared to other countries in the region and in some of the tourist areas is actually more expensive than countries in the west, this will have the effect of reducing tax revenue and certain tourists will think twice before coming here when far cheaper alternatives are available. They really need to think this one through before it is put in place, there are already many businesses that are struggling as it is. If he is so anti alcohol why not use article 44 and ban it altogether If Thailand really wants to see tax revenues increase then combating the endemic disease of corruption is how you do it. Hopefully, the couple of liquor companies that control the market will give the general a taste of his own medicine, an attitude adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, smedly said: reThat is going to be one very small bottle Everyone knows Prayuths view on alcohol (which is fine up to him) but PM to extend those personal views into the economy is a grave error, Thai booze is already expensive when compared to other countries in the region and in some of the tourist areas is actually more expensive than countries in the west, this will have the effect of reducing tax revenue and certain tourists will think twice before coming here when far cheaper alternatives are available. They really need to think this one through before it is put in place, there are already many businesses that are struggling as it is. If he is so anti alcohol why not use article 44 and ban it altogether If Thailand really wants to see tax revenues increase then combating the endemic disease of corruption is how you do it. In Vietnam beer on the street can be as low as 22 to 30 baht for good quality bottled beer and 8 to 15 baht for a glass of fresh beer. There is no tax or duty or excise on beer and spirits in Vietnam. Tourism is booming. Depending on the final wash up of alcohol prices this could be the stake through the heart of many food and bar and entertainment/tourism businesses in Thailand. People will likely be out of work and income but importantly for Prayut the war toys will be in the barracks and subs tied up at the docks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pdaz Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Wine is healthy. They should reduce tax on wine to zero % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 1 hour ago, inThailand said: Fears alcohol tax may increase hard-liquor consumption Isn't the main goal of sin taxes is to curb alcohol consumption? I guess LOS is more concerned with the increased revenue stream. methinks it is the usual thoughtlessness at the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 3 hours ago, rooster59 said: Supreeda worries that drinkers may turn to white liquor, with a resulting increase in health problems. Then raise the vat on that threefold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Knowing how Thai military government officials, including the Big Cheese himself, are not particularly inclined to think through the consequences of their impetuous policies this liquor tax increase has all the makings of an administrative pig's breakfast. Every chance there will be rorting at wholesale level and ripping off at retail level and tax evasion. Unemployment will likely increase, businesses shut, tourists going elsewhere and shops, bars and restaurants under closer police scrutiny and law enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alant Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 2 hours ago, smedly said: That is going to be one very small bottle Everyone knows Prayuths view on alcohol (which is fine up to him) but PM to extend those personal views into the economy is a grave error, Thai booze is already expensive when compared to other countries in the region and in some of the tourist areas is actually more expensive than countries in the west, this will have the effect of reducing tax revenue and certain tourists will think twice before coming here when far cheaper alternatives are available. They really need to think this one through before it is put in place, there are already many businesses that are struggling as it is. If he is so anti alcohol why not use article 44 and ban it altogether If Thailand really wants to see tax revenues increase then combating the endemic disease of corruption is how you do it. Think it through... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 4 hours ago, inThailand said: Fears alcohol tax may increase hard-liquor consumption Isn't the main goal of sin taxes is to curb alcohol consumption? I guess LOS is more concerned with the increased revenue stream. Of course revenue is raised not to curb drinking but to raise income for the state. Like the price raises in the name of the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rv Hawee Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Lets's be honest, that is for alcoholic's dude. My simple answer to their rising fracking taxes is to buy (much more)less ! (And wait visiting friends or familly from France bring me a bottle...) But yes, they may be affraid to loose some revenues with their "logic".TiT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Jeez, with the price of beer going up and soft drinks as well, how much will a <deleted> SHANDY cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 6 hours ago, smedly said: isn't that what VAT is ? I hope everyone is ready for the massive price increase that is coming - just like the supposed 2-3% on ciggies which turned out to be 30-40% .........expect the same with alcohol or maybe even more They have to pay for those subs somehow and it seems that hitting tourism is the way to go lol Was in Bangkok a few weeks ago smoking a cigar at a neighborhood bar when this young Korean man walks up to me. He asked about my cigar. Told him it was Dominican and got it in Cambodia for five for 75 Baht. He had an e-cigarette machine with him. Since returning to Bangkok e-cigarettes are everywhere. Thought they were to be outlawed, but they are everywhere. If Thailand wants to price themselves out of the market, their mistakes are their neighbors opportunities. Subs, yeah, great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky mike Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Kill the goose ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasanews Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) What is white liquor? Is it Vodka . Edited September 3, 2017 by nasanews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korkenzieher Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Then raise the vat on that threefold. 3* nothing = nothing. And for the large part, we are talking barn-yard stuff when it comes to rural Thailand. Edited September 3, 2017 by korkenzieher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Of course they will, and that stuff is nasty. It kills. Had a distant relative kill himself by drinking himself to death on that rot after losing his daughter in auto accident. Ironically, drunk driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 26 minutes ago, nasanews said: What is white liquor? Is it Vodka . Rice, the distillation process must be primal. Even the Lao Khao moonshine in Lao is far better. Makes Korean soju taste like single malt scotch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 9 hours ago, Cadbury said: In Vietnam beer on the street can be as low as 22 to 30 baht for good quality bottled beer and 8 to 15 baht for a glass of fresh beer. There is no tax or duty or excise on beer and spirits in Vietnam. Tourism is booming. Depending on the final wash up of alcohol prices this could be the stake through the heart of many food and bar and entertainment/tourism businesses in Thailand. People will likely be out of work and income but importantly for Prayut the war toys will be in the barracks and subs tied up at the docks. Now you are talking about some country that knows how to treat tourists not just rip them off. Keep going mr p another good reason why quality tourists go elsewhere, soon there is just one reason why the bottom end of the tourist market comes here and its not to play darts but similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasanews Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 5 hours ago, Number 6 said: Rice, the distillation process must be primal. Even the Lao Khao moonshine in Lao is far better. Makes Korean soju taste like single malt scotch. So, which is better to drink Scottish whiskey like Johnnie walker or white whiskey such as vodka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 21 hours ago, Pdaz said: Wine is healthy. They should reduce tax on wine to zero % Well if the alcohol content is zero that would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosst Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 23 hours ago, Cadbury said: In Vietnam beer on the street can be as low as 22 to 30 baht for good quality bottled beer and 8 to 15 baht for a glass of fresh beer. There is no tax or duty or excise on beer and spirits in Vietnam. Tourism is booming. Depending on the final wash up of alcohol prices this could be the stake through the heart of many food and bar and entertainment/tourism businesses in Thailand. People will likely be out of work and income but importantly for Prayut the war toys will be in the barracks and subs tied up at the docks. Alcohol in the Philippines is the cheapest I can remember in Asia except wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 taxing beer and wine is the most stupid thing they can do, why not better tax higher alcohol grades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mountain Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 My wholesaler said the prize of a box of small Singha will go up by 20 Baht in a few weeks, that's less then 3%. Can live with that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Posts and replies about home brewing have been removed as that is an illegal activity in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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