Stop fighting over Brexit and get real, Jim O'Neill tells UK

[webfact]

Stop fighting over Brexit and get real, Jim O'Neill tells UK

 

Goldman Sachs Asset Management Chairman Jim O'Neill speaks during the Reuters Investment Outlook Summit in London December 6, 2011. REUTERS/Benjamin Beavan/Files

 

LONDON (Reuters) - The British government should stop dreaming about having its own way in Brexit negotiations and start to get more realistic about the likely outcome of divorce talks with the European Union, said Jim O'Neill, a former Goldman Sachs economist.

 

Prime Minister Theresa May, who quietly opposed Brexit ahead of the referendum, has formally notified the bloc of Britain’s intention to leave and divorce talks are under way.

 

A botched gamble on a snap election in June undermined May's authority inside her own Conservative Party and some EU diplomats say the British negotiating stance remains both unrealistic and unclear.

 

O'Neill, who coined the term 'BRIC' in 2001 to describe how the economic clout of Brazil, Russia, India and China would challenge the West's dominance, told BBC radio that divisions inside the Conservatives were driving Brexit policy.

 

"The divisions between our political parties, particularly inside the ruling Conservative one, continue to dominate the policy discussion and it is very unfortunate and I wish it would change," said O'Neill.

 

In the June 23, 2016 referendum, voters in the United Kingdom backed leaving the EU by a margin of 51.9 percent to 48.1 percent.

 

O'Neill, who resigned from his job as a Treasury minister in May's government a year ago, said that the British negotiators' attempt to cherry pick an exit deal was unrealistic.

 

"The last thing the EU wants for a big country to leave and for there to be no consequences because at some point there would be others that might think: 'Well if it's that easy and you can get away from the worst bits but keep the good bits, then I'll have some of that too'," he said.

 

"It frequently seems our negotiators don't seem to appreciate that," O‘Neill said.

 

May says she will make Brexit a success and that she hopes the EU will agree to a deal that allows both sides to continue to trade as freely as possible.

 

(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; editing by Michael Holden)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-09-08

[lamecn]

Could it be that a small majority of the UK population has realized the truth behind the EU?

[RickBradford]

^^

Beautiful.

 

And unanswerable.

[Aforek]

39 minutes ago, lamecn said:

Could it be that a small majority of the UK population has realized the truth behind the EU?

Do you have a link ? you really believe all the bullshits that you find on the Internet ?

It was an hoax, written by an English guy ; did he show the letter ? 

Edited September 8, 2017 by Aforek

[tomacht8]

1 hour ago, lamecn said:

Could it be that a small majority of the UK population has realized the truth behind the EU?

Scam?

That is exactly the goal.

A united europe with russia.

As opposed to the usa, china and soon also india.  

The fight for the limited resources is in full swing on this overpopulated planet. The small single states will sink into insignificance.

[Enoon]

 

The text originates from David Icke, well known British media loony who went totally gaga after an experience with a psychic in 1990.

 

Perhaps most notorious for his firm belief that planet earth is ruled by hybridised lizards.

 

Seriously, that is what he believes:

 

David Icke - Wikipedia

"When you get back into the ancient world, you find this recurring theme of a union between a non-human race and humans—creating a hybrid race.

From 1998, I started coming across people who told me they had seen people change into a non-human form. It's an age-old phenomenon known as shape-shifting. The basic form is like a scaly humanoid, with reptilian rather than humanoid eyes"

 

 

Edited September 8, 2017 by Enoon

[Thongkorn]

Yes Britain should get real,  Do as article 50 says, Walk away pay nothing , and when the EW comes to its senses come talk to us,

Edited September 8, 2017 by Thongkorn

[Guest]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

LONDON (Reuters) - The British government should stop dreaming about having its own way in Brexit negotiations and start to get more realistic about the likely outcome of divorce talks with the European Union, said Jim O'Neill, a former Goldman Sachs economist.

The faster the reality becomes obvious, the faster we can get the Brexit negotiations over.. and only then we can start building new relationships and deals between EU and UK. 

 

While some Ruskie blasted a 70 year old 'quote', their aim is just to hinder western world to get it's act together. That's not helpful for either EU nor UK.

[phantomfiddler]

Those nasty europeans are going to make it as difficult and expensive as they can for U.K. to get out, mainly to try and scare any other country from trying to do the same. A bad idea from the start in my opinion.

[meinphuket]

7 hours ago, Thongkorn said:

Yes Britain should get real,  Do as article 50 says, Walk away pay nothing , and when the EW comes to its senses come talk to us,

Yes, if it were only that simple...take responsibility for your commitments, or else face the collective economic and immigration wrath of the EU. Forget not that the UK is based on islands, easy to embargo. British police kicked out of Le Havre will open the immigration floodgates.High tariffs, tolls, visa requirements will do the job. Frankfurt as the new London. Enjoy !

Edited September 9, 2017 by meinphuket
Typo

[pitrevie]

8 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

The text originates from David Icke, well known British media loony who went totally gaga after an experience with a psychic in 1990.

 

Perhaps most notorious for his firm belief that planet earth is ruled by hybridised lizards.

 

Seriously, that is what he believes:

 

David Icke - Wikipedia

"When you get back into the ancient world, you find this recurring theme of a union between a non-human race and humans—creating a hybrid race.

From 1998, I started coming across people who told me they had seen people change into a non-human form. It's an age-old phenomenon known as shape-shifting. The basic form is like a scaly humanoid, with reptilian rather than humanoid eyes"

 

 

Yep you couldn't make this up, that any sane rational person would post anything that comes from David Icke. Not only that but actually give it a thumbs up.

[pitrevie]

17 hours ago, lamecn said:

Could it be that a small majority of the UK population has realized the truth behind the EU?

Quite apart from it being Davis Icke a well known UK  loony there is no evidence whatsover that Monnet ever said this.

[lamecn]

16 hours ago, Aforek said:

Do you have a link ? you really believe all the bullshits that you find on the Internet ?

It was an hoax, written by an English guy ; did he show the letter ? 

Sorry to disappoint you mate, but take a look at the facts, read the full article: https://rollo57.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/the-future-whats-in-it-for-us/

[pitrevie]

14 minutes ago, lamecn said:

Sorry to disappoint you mate, but take a look at the facts, read the full article: https://rollo57.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/the-future-whats-in-it-for-us/

The fact is that there is no reliable source that Monnet ever said that.

https://eufundedproeutroll.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/european-union-what-did-monnet-say-about-europes-nations-and-the-superstate/

 

[lamecn]

3 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

The fact is that there is no reliable source that Monnet ever said that.

https://eufundedproeutroll.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/european-union-what-did-monnet-say-about-europes-nations-and-the-superstate/

 

Correct! He never said it in public, he wrote it in a letter!

[pitrevie]

1 minute ago, lamecn said:

Correct! He never said it in public, he wrote it in a letter!

Again no evidence for that either just a facsimile from a book which is unidentified. 

 

The current belief is derived from a popular quote attributed to Jean Monnet, one of the founding fathers of the European Union, in which Monnet is claimed to have written the following in a letter to a friend on 30th April, 1952:

“Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”

http://www.rense.com/general87/nationstates.htm

For those not familiar, Rense is a famous ‘conspiracy theory’ site run by Jeff Rense: More a clearing house than source. This is not case closed on discrediting as conspiracy theories do sometimes turn out to be conspiracy fact.

[Jonnapat]

One look at the negotiating team will tell you how clueless they are.

Still expecting to get the good bits and discard the bad ones.

27 v 1 should give us a clue as to the eventual calamitous conclusion.

[lamecn]

6 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

Again no evidence for that either just a facsimile from a book which is unidentified. 

 

The current belief is derived from a popular quote attributed to Jean Monnet, one of the founding fathers of the European Union, in which Monnet is claimed to have written the following in a letter to a friend on 30th April, 1952:

“Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”

http://www.rense.com/general87/nationstates.htm

For those not familiar, Rense is a famous ‘conspiracy theory’ site run by Jeff Rense: More a clearing house than source. This is not case closed on discrediting as conspiracy theories do sometimes turn out to be conspiracy fact.

Try Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe

[FreddieRoyle]

29 minutes ago, lamecn said:

Try Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe

lamecn, you have stated your case very clearly, with lots of evidence to back-up your assertions. Anybody with an open mind can see you are absolutely correct, but some people - well you could show them a video of Jean Monnet, or even have Jean Monnet tell them to their face that he did indeed say/write those exact words, and you know it, they will still carry on with this but..but..well it could...no, but...shape-shifting lizards....

 

You won this debate just ignore the trolls.

[Tchooptip]

2 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Those nasty europeans are going to make it as difficult and expensive as they can for U.K. to get out, mainly to try and scare any other country from trying to do the same. A bad idea from the start in my opinion.

1

"Those nasty Europeans" 

[RuamRudy]

49 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

lamecn, you have stated your case very clearly, with lots of evidence to back-up your assertions. Anybody with an open mind can see you are absolutely correct, but some people - well you could show them a video of Jean Monnet, or even have Jean Monnet tell them to their face that he did indeed say/write those exact words, and you know it, they will still carry on with this but..but..well it could...no, but...shape-shifting lizards....

 

You won this debate just ignore the trolls.

But both you and lamecn have failed to show a single piece of evidence that confirms that Monnet made this statement. You have pointed to a blog that quickly descends into claims about zionism, then you cite a discussion page from Wikipedia - not a Wikipedia article itself, but a forum for those inclined to discuss the article. Even one of the proponents of your view admits, "i know ppl will not accept that quote from Jean Monnet, even if is faulse quote that is what they are doing."

 

So even those who repeat the statement are uncertain as to whether it is truthful...

[champers]

1 hour ago, lamecn said:

Correct! He never said it in public, he wrote it in a letter!

It was a French letter.

[rockingrobin]

2 hours ago, lamecn said:

Correct! He never said it in public, he wrote it in a letter!

Yet, Vaclav Klaus claims that it came from a speech 30th April 1952 to UN

[pitrevie]

1 hour ago, rockingrobin said:

Yet, Vaclav Klaus claims that it came from a speech 30th April 1952 to UN

Monnet would have left behind a substantial body of correspondence available to academia and for those who have written about him since again along with recorded conversations. If it was in a speech to the UN then it would have been very easy to reproduce verbatim. 

[rockingrobin]

35 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

Monnet would have left behind a substantial body of correspondence available to academia and for those who have written about him since again along with recorded conversations. If it was in a speech to the UN then it would have been very easy to reproduce verbatim. 

Monnet was not at the UN on the said day , but addressing the US National Press Club about the Plevan plan. Monnet speech is recorded in the archives and does not mention the attributed qoute. It is clearly a fake 

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, meinphuket said:

Yes, if it were only that simple...take responsibility for your commitments, or else face the collective economic and immigration wrath of the EU. Forget not that the UK is based on islands, easy to embargo. British police kicked out of Le Havre will open the immigration floodgates.High tariffs, tolls, visa requirements will do the job. Frankfurt as the new London. Enjoy !

 

Our resident EU "nationalist".

 

All those illegal immigrants gonna swim to the British Isles once you've closed the border are they?

 

Frankfurt will never be the new London. Watch it collapse as the myth about German efficiency is exposed. And the jealous back biting from Paris, Dublin and others starts.

 

You are a good example of the reason many see the EU as being full of bigoted extortionists who want a spiteful revenge for their perceived previous historical failures.

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, lamecn said:

Try Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe

Don't forget the header for the text you just quoted: "this article is pure propaganda"

[dick dasterdly]

4 hours ago, lamecn said:

Try Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe

 

1 hour ago, pitrevie said:

Monnet would have left behind a substantial body of correspondence available to academia and for those who have written about him since again along with recorded conversations. If it was in a speech to the UN then it would have been very easy to reproduce verbatim. 

It may well be, but there is other  evidence that the UK government knew v well back in '75 that the EU was heading towards uniting countries into 'one state' (as per the Monnet letter) - but chose to not inform the electorate.

 

Edit - getting back on topic, O'Neill has his own self-serving POV, which is why there's no possibility of agreement on this issue. There's no way to forecast the future.

Edited September 9, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[pitrevie]

8 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

It may well be, but there is other  evidence that the UK government knew v well back in '75 that the EU was heading towards uniting countries into 'one state' (as per the Monnet letter) - but chose to not inform the electorate.

And you evidence is? So far the Monnet letter appears to be a work of fiction propagated by a right wing conspiracy site and in fact was first posted here copied from David Icke and you cannot get any more bizarre than that.

[pitrevie]

32 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

Monnet was not at the UN on the said day , but addressing the US National Press Club about the Plevan plan. Monnet speech is recorded in the archives and does not mention the attributed qoute. It is clearly a fake 

Its matters not a jot once a conspiracy theory takes hold. When people start posting stuff from David Icke, Alex Jones etc nothing will change their minds.