Jonathan Fairfield Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 JPMorgan's Dimon says bitcoin 'is a fraud' Jamie Dimon, Chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase & Co. speaks during the Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, California, U.S., May 1, 2017. REUTERS/Mike Blake NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bitcoin "is a fraud" and will blow up, Jamie Dimon, chief executive of JPMorgan Chase & Co <JPM.N>, said on Tuesday. Speaking at a bank investor conference in New York, Dimon said, "The currency isn't going to work. You can't have a business where people can invent a currency out of thin air and think that people who are buying it are really smart." Dimon said that if any JPMorgan traders were trading the crypto-currency, "I would fire them in a second, for two reasons: It is against our rules and they are stupid, and both are dangerous." Dimon's comments come as the bitcoin, a virtual currency not backed by any government, has more than quadrupled in value since December to more than $4,100. Bitcoin is a digital currency that enables individuals to transfer value to each other and pay for goods and services bypassing banks and the mainstream financial system. While banks have largely steered clear of bitcoin since it emerged following the financial crisis, the virtual currency has a range of people who support it, including technology enthusiasts, liberterians skeptical of government monetary policy and speculators attracted by its price swings. "Like it or not, people want exposure to bitcoin," Edward Tilly, chairman and CEO of exchange group CBOE Holdings Inc. <CBOE.O>, said at the same conference. CBOE has applied with U.S. regulators to launch a bitcoin futures contract and a bitcoin exchange traded fund on its venues. Any good trade is started with a difference of opinion, Tilly added. "So Jamie can be on the short side and the issuers and those trading in physical can be on the long side, and it sounds like we have a great trade.” Dimon may also be on the other side of another bitcoin trade closer to home. At another conference about two hours later, Dimon said that one of his daughters had bought some bitcoin. "It went up and she thinks she's a genius now," Dimon said at the CNBC Institutional Investor Delivering Alpha Conference. "WORSE THAN TULIP BULBS" Banks and other financial institutions have been concerned over bitcoin's early association with online crime and money laundering. The supply of bitcoin is meant to be limited to 21 million, but there are clones of the virtual currency in circulation which have made the market for it more volatile. "It is worse than tulips bulbs," Dimon said, referring to a famous market bubble from the 1600s. JPMorgan and many of its competitors, however, have invested millions of dollars in blockchain, the technology that tracks bitcoin transactions. Blockchain is a shared ledger of transactions maintained by a network of computers on the internet. Dimon said such uses will roll out over coming years as it is adapted to different business lines. Financial institutions are hoping blockchain can be adapted to simplify and lower the costs of processes such as securities settlement, loan trading and international money transfers. Dimon predicted big losses for bitcoin buyers. "Don't ask me to short it. It could be at $20,000 before this happens, but it will eventually blow up." he said. "Honestly, I am just shocked that anyone can't see it for what it is." Bitcoin’s price fell as much as 4 percent following Dimon's comments and was last trading at $4,164. Rumors that the Chinese government is planning to ban trading of virtual currencies on domestic exchanges has weighed on bitcoin recently. "It feels like we are in the midst of a negative news cycle, but even considering all this, we are still trading above $4,000." said John Spallanzani, chief macro strategist at GFI Group. (Reporting by David Henry and Anna Irrera in New York Additional reporting by John McCrank, Angela Moon and Lawrence Delevingne; Editing by Steve Orlofsky and Jonathan Oatis) -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-09-13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inThailand Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 This is a well respected finance expert. His comments maybe a little self serving, but its sure to rattle the bitcoin market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julietx Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 a lot of tv posters are going to get burned with all this crypto speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 "It's a fraud', well unless Mr. Dimon, Mr. Blankfein, and friends are controlling the show and are harvesting the lion's share of the profits. Blockchain will come to the banking industry, then whatever products that GS, JPM, et.al. create using blockchain technology will become - the true and legitimate currencies for the world. In the meantime, watch the IMF and 'distributed ledgers.' Last man standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGD Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 So because the Rothschilds can't control this they say it is flawed ? Somewhat typical approach ! BTW - I think it may well implode as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phycokiller Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 the banks are finally realizing its a threat to their business. did I mention poppy bubble and the word fraud? pretty childish response really. oh, and someones going to die, then the governments will step in. I mean kindergarten talk can be effective as trump proved but are those the people investing in bitcoin? dying from bitcoin? hard to take the guy seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Three words: Pot. Kettle. Black. BTW, I support Bitcoin (and others) as digital currencies. But they've been hijacked by speculators and other get-rich-quickers. Just like the mainstream financial markets. Edited September 13, 2017 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
does Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Can someone explain how governments could tolerate bitcoin if they can't control and tax it? Bit coins is "fiat" currency but consider whose "fiat" it is. The technology may be clever but if bit coin would spread like wildfire and even get to 10% of all transactions, the global economy would collapse. Do bit coiners really think the US national debt of $20 trillion and massive pension funds obligations can be serviced with with bitcoins? If not, who will pay your pension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Before some bright spark invented the name, Bitcoin, it was barter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 6 hours ago, does said: The technology may be clever but if bit coin would spread like wildfire and even get to 10% of all transactions, the global economy would collapse. Let's hope so . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansell Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 29 minutes ago, BuaBS said: Let's hope so . That is a real bright comment...so you want chaos in the streets, people robbing each other, and a complete meltdown of all the world's economies? Where are you going to park your fragile ass when all this happens? Oh, you never thought of that. Surprise! Dumb is, as dumb says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 6 hours ago, does said: Can someone explain how governments could tolerate bitcoin if they can't control and tax it? Bit coins is "fiat" currency but consider whose "fiat" it is. The technology may be clever but if bit coin would spread like wildfire and even get to 10% of all transactions, the global economy would collapse. Do bit coiners really think the US national debt of $20 trillion and massive pension funds obligations can be serviced with with bitcoins? If not, who will pay your pension? The concept will lead to a superceding equivalent. Bitcoin is the experiment. Nice way to eliminate 20 trillion debt is it not? Pension? Maybe a free headstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 10 hours ago, BuaBS said: the global economy would collapse. Big exaggeration . A shake up of the world economy would be great to deflate all the bubbles of 10 years of QE. No complete chaos , Mansell ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 In other news the coal mining industry is not super keen on solar power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnock Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Sounds like someone is getting worried about the day when banks will no longer be "too big to fail". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuaBS Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Kinnock said: Sounds like someone is getting worried about the day when banks will no longer be "too big to fail". No it just means they haven't found the perfect way to manipulate bitcoin like they do for gold & silver , and the stock market , bond market , mortgage loan market , .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 hours ago, BuaBS said: No it just means they haven't found the perfect way to manipulate bitcoin like they do for gold & silver , and the stock market , bond market , mortgage loan market , .... You can bet money someone is manipulating bitcoin...and its not small fry like you - who will lose it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Says JP Morgan who needed $25B of government support while he was the boss.... they just don't like something they cannot control! Had I invested a sizeable amount in bitcoin in 2010 I might be richer than him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 As if regular currencies weren't also fraudulent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piersbeckett Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: As if regular currencies weren't also fraudulent. And allowed to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phycokiller Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) On 9/13/2017 at 3:42 PM, does said: Can someone explain how governments could tolerate bitcoin if they can't control and tax it? Bit coins is "fiat" currency but consider whose "fiat" it is. The technology may be clever but if bit coin would spread like wildfire and even get to 10% of all transactions, the global economy would collapse. Do bit coiners really think the US national debt of $20 trillion and massive pension funds obligations can be serviced with with bitcoins? If not, who will pay your pension? thats a very good question. as far as governments tolerating it they have no choice, apart from a return to the stone age or all out fascism. the other questions most politicians dont have the foresight or intellect to consider but Im sure there will be solutions. some areas in Switzerland are already accepting tax being paid in bitcoin. Edited September 15, 2017 by phycokiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 10:23 PM, BuaBS said: No it just means they haven't found the perfect way to manipulate bitcoin like they do for gold & silver , and the stock market , bond market , mortgage loan market , .... They would have to make it a commodity and then open it to derivatives trading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phycokiller Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) heres the follow up to this story that you wont hear about in the normal news https://www.nordnet.se/mux/web/marknaden/aktiehemsidan/index.html?identifier=109538& ever since JP Morgan declared it a bubble and a fraud they have been buying in bigly. funny thing dont you think? Edited September 16, 2017 by phycokiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phycokiller Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) in fact they have released another statement comparing it to a pyramid scheme, while at the same time have bought up at least 19000 bitcoins (thats of over 60 million $ worth). make up your own minds folks, believe what they say or believe what they do? https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/15/jpmorgans-top-quant-strategist-echoing-ceo-compares-bitcoin-to-pyramid-scheme.html Edited September 16, 2017 by phycokiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inThailand Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 yeah crazy! banks speculating to make a profit. That doesn't mean f....all about bitcoins future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uli65 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 https://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2017/09/15/lead-fraudster-of-fraudulent-jp-morgan-says-bitcoin-is-a-fraud.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Everyone should own at least 1 bitcoin if you can afford it.... If you don't buy one by 2020 you won't be able to afford one and will end up buying a fraction of one at an inflated price from some stock brokerage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
does Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 8:28 AM, phycokiller said: thats a very good question. as far as governments tolerating it they have no choice, apart from a return to the stone age or all out fascism. the other questions most politicians dont have the foresight or intellect to consider but Im sure there will be solutions. some areas in Switzerland are already accepting tax being paid in bitcoin. Interesting, but it's just a municipality getting its feet wet. If someone can explain clearly how issuers of fiat currencies can allow cryptos on a national scale, without international agreement or framework, then I will eat my words.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
does Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 4:50 PM, BuaBS said: Let's hope so . If you hope so, I hope you don't rely on a pension denominated in fiat currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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