'Active shooter' near Las Vegas casino

[farcanell]

This is so very very sad.

 

americans I know are often more preachy about drugs than guns... personally I reckon they need free access to Valium, and restricted access to guns, but they, as a nation, have made their choice ( and zealously protect that choice), as is their right.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

I doubt very much it was only 3 minutes...for the police to locate the source of fire, reach the hotel, and secure the perimeter  (several floors both above and below the 32nd floor were cleared) must have taken 20-30 minutes before they blew open the door to the shooter's room and took him out.

Where did i say 3 minutes?

[craigt3365]

59 minutes ago, khwaibah said:

 

From MSN

 

"The suspect in the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history has been identified as Stephen Paddock, authorities said.

Paddock, 64, is from Mesquite, Nev., about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas and had been known to local law enforcement."

 

If he was known by the police he had a cock up somewhere.

CNN says he was not known to police. Either way. So what. Horrible incident. More details will come out over the following days.

[TKDfella]

3 hours ago, zydeco said:

All the cameras, surveillance, informants, and wiretapping will never do anything to stop this stuff. I really don't know why they keep at it. The anti-terror people need to rethink their entire strategy. Three of these events in one day.

Basically, the things you mention are not part of anti-terror strategy. Cameras are standard procedure in any 'game'; surveillance has always been given a high loss risk factor due to its 'static' non-active role; informants have always been seen as dangerous as they often play two or more ways and can turn enemy at any moment (the same applies to double agents, 'insiders', who have to be 'trusted' as being patriotic, which again, is risky). Wiretapping is also a standard procedure but often yields little because it takes time to analyse. All information has to be checked and doubled checked which again, takes time. The only effective strategy is 'know your enemy and his mind', and as everyone knows, that ain't easy. So don't criticize them too much, I'm sure they are doing the best they can.

[craigt3365]

Over 400 injured now. Shooter had no previous contact with the police in Mesquite. Hundreds of shots fired and he had 10 rifles in the room.

[Emster23]

BBC reports the woman is Australian, for what that is worth.

After one of the many massacres, bill was put forth to limit clip sizes. Imagine could have slowed shooter down a bit, maybe saved some lives. Voted down by repubs and NRA Republicans also derailed attempt to ban semi auto assault weapons. Common knowledge that kits are easily had to covert to full auto.  This is on the Republicans and NRA 

 

Australia network said interviewed man at site upset he hadn't brought his gun to concert, which stunned reporter  What sort of chance would a man with a pistol hitting target on 32nd floor have, or even picking right target? If cops showed up in confusion, they might assume man firing pistol might be the perp, and shoot him dead. The fog of mass shootings

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Over 400 injured now. Shooter had no previous contact with the police in Mesquite. Hundreds of shots fired and he had 10 rifles in the room.

 

Sheer and utter madness. And what will come of it? Sadly, most likely, nothing.

 

An absolute national embarrassment. Hardly the first. And surely won't be the last.

 

Until the nation begins to get serious about stopping access to these kinds of mass killing weapons.

 

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

They now have the female in custody

 

Well done America!

[Slip]

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Sheer and utter madness. And what will come of it? Sadly, most likely, nothing.

 

An absolute national embarrassment. Hardly the first. And surely won't be the last.

 

Until the nation begins to get serious about stopping access to these kinds of mass killing weapons.

 

Not just an embarrassment, but a national disgrace.  And yet folks don't want to change anything.

[bazza73]

Strange, I don't see the dedicated defenders of the Second Amendment on this thread. But then, what could they say?

[craigt3365]

6 minutes ago, Slip said:

Not just an embarrassment, but a national disgrace.  And yet folks don't want to change anything.

Not true. A significant part of the US is in favor of gun control. Sadly, those in the government aren't as interested.

[Lokie]

21.26 BBC World Service reporting that IS now claiming this POS was a convert recently and carried out the attack against their enemies 

[Jack Mountain]

No mention of 'Russians did it' yet? Maybe later. RT is coming up with this for what it's worth of course because it's Russian. https://www.rt.com/usa/405409-isis-responsibility-vegas-shooting/

 

[Just1Voice]

12 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

Strange, I don't see the dedicated defenders of the Second Amendment on this thread. But then, what could they say?

I was a 20 year Marine, and a member of the NRA, and I, like most of us, are STRONG proponents of PROPER GUN CONTROL.  No one I know condones this, and think's it's abhorrent.  But the truth is, if you seriously want a gun bad enough, even full auto's, they are out there and you can get them. Look at Chicago.  A city that has one of the toughest gun control laws in the U.S., and has, for years, been #1 in the U.S. for gun/murder deaths.  You can have all the laws and enforcement you want, but if someone is determined, they will find ways around them.

 

[TonyClifton]

17 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

Strange, I don't see the dedicated defenders of the Second Amendment on this thread. But then, what could they say?

 

Perhaps you could enlighten us all as to what we should be defending?  You can't possibly be so apoplectic that you believe anyone here would defend the actions of this murderer?  

 

Are you ok?

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, Just1Voice said:

I was a 20 year Marine, and a member of the NRA, and I, like most of us, are STRONG proponents of PROPER GUN CONTROL.  No one I know condones this, and think's it's abhorrent.  But the truth is, if you seriously want a gun bad enough, even full auto's, they are out there and you can get them. Look at Chicago.  A city that has one of the toughest gun control laws in the U.S., and has, for years, been #1 in the U.S. for gun/murder deaths.  You can have all the laws and enforcement you want, but if someone is determined, they will find ways around them.

 

Yes, all kind of weapons are readily available because you have a gun problem in the US.

[chrisinth]

38 minutes ago, Slip said:

Not just an embarrassment, but a national disgrace.  And yet folks don't want to change anything.

 

Actually I would predict that something will be done after this.

 

This is the damage that one person can do with (I would imagine) legally purchased weapons. If this does not preempt a change to current gun control then there is no hope. It should have all supporters of 'own what you like because it is our right' rethinking the logic of that view.

 

I have no objection to the right to bear arms, but this is something completely out there. My sincere condolences to the families of those who died and were injured and a speedy recovery to the wounded.

[Skeptic7]

555 no surprise at all if this latest breaking news is true! Looks like The Religion of "Pieces" may have a hand in this and be fair game after all! Perhaps not true, but if so...would/could anyone possibly be surprised?

Islamic state claims Las Vegas shooting, says attacker recent convert to Islam

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http://aol.it/2xNFKbv

[newnative]

12 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

 

Actually I would predict that something will be done after this.

 

This is the damage that one person can do with (I would imagine) legally purchased weapons. If this does not preempt a change to current gun control then there is no hope. It should have all supporters of 'own what you like because it is our right' rethinking the logic of that view.

 

I have no objection to the right to bear arms, but this is something completely out there. My sincere condolences to the families of those who died and were injured and a speedy recovery to the wounded.

I certainly hope you are right but I am not optimistic with the way things are in America right now.

[IAMHERE]

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, all kind of weapons are readily available because you have a gun problem in the US.

Not a gun problem, a people problem. A person with problems did this.

[Throatwobbler]

Just now, TonyClifton said:

 

The protectors of Islamic terror will use any means necessary to not face the reality.

 You must be really angry that the shooter was white as you must have been so looking forward to posting your racist BS. You are waiting for more people to be killed to continue your anti muslim crusade. You people are sick.

[Throatwobbler]

2 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Not a gun problem, a people problem. A person with problems did this.

Every country has people with problems. The US has a person with problems who had access to weapons that can kill multiple people quickly. Yes you have a gun problem.

Edited October 2, 2017 by Throatwobbler

[attrayant]

3 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Not a gun problem, a people problem. A person with problems did this.

 

You mean we don't need to get rid of guns; we need to get rid of people?  I think that's what the gunman was trying to do.

 

VOX: America doesn't have a gun problem. It has several of them.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2017 by attrayant

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, IAMHERE said:

Not a gun problem, a people problem. A person with problems did this.

Disagree, but there is no point to this. Time and time again it has been proven nothing will be done. Only denial and excuses.

[JemJem]

I am not surprised at all that the guy was a converter to Muslim.

 

No offence to peaceful Muslims, but Islam has its hands in blood big-time ! Face it !

[TonyClifton]

Just now, JemJem said:

I am not surprised at all that the guy was a converter to Muslim.

 

No offence to peaceful Muslims, but Islam has its hands in blood big-time ! Face it !

 

I am.  I would like to know if true, how anyone got this "grandpa" as he is described, to convert to the religion of peace.

[JemJem]

3 minutes ago, TonyClifton said:

 

I am.  I would like to know if true, how anyone got this "grandpa" as he is described, to convert to the religion of peace.

 

Shsssst. ......don't hurt the feelings of the PC crowd :)

 

Sick ! 

 

I am waiting for the Islam-apologists !

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, TonyClifton said:

 

Am I white? When I am asked on a government form to check off my color or race, I always check Black.  What about you?

Yes, you're white and angry.

[stevenl]

I wouldn't put much faith in IS claims, but looks like Islam haters trust IS. Strange.

[nausea]

Putting a face to the name - Stephen Paddock

 

Pertinent extracts from latest BBC news:

 

Re Marilou Danley

Sheriff Lombardo said she had now been located outside the United States and was not thought to have played any role. 

 

Re Islamic State

But the group provided no evidence ... and has made unsubstantiated claims in the past.

 

Re gun laws

Nevada has some of the least stringent gun laws in the United States.

People are allowed to carry weapons and do not have to register themselves as a gun-owner.

Background checks are done when people buy guns, but they are also allowed to sell them privately.