Should the British Government be responsible for housing and feeding ex-pats returning from Thailand?

[sanemax]

12 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

which ofcourse as his age he could well do, if he faces the real problem in his life first, the drink. if he doesn;t defeat that he'll end up in the gutter i'm afraid, seen it so many times before, haven't we all.

 

   Not only have we all seen it all many times before , many of us may be going through a similar situation and may end up like he has .

[sanemax]

He complained that he was given a place to stay where there were alcoholics staying .............and he also complained that he wasnt allowed to take alcohol to his room .

   That says it all really .

[Proboscis]

Alcoholism is an addiction. It is quite likely that Mark, had he stayed in the UK and never went to Thailand, would have ended up homeless and without money because of his addiction. 

 

As with any discussion on such topics, the issue of immigrants/asylum seekers comes up but are we really comparing the same situation? Remember that the latter don't come to the UK because they boozed it up back home and lost all their money that way - most are fleeing war and worse. Second, Mark complains that he ought to be given a house/flat just for him alone and feels that the country has let him down. But the reason he is not given a flat is that there are not the resources to provide for families with children who come first on any housing list. And even if the UK never provided housing to immigrants/refugees, there still would not be enough money in the kitty to provide flats for single individuals like Mark.

 

We have to remember that most of the funding for everything in the UK is paid for by taxes, and the largest earner of taxes is income tax. Whatever you or I may think about Mark, the fact remains that many tax-payers will see Mark as someone who is a sponger and does not do anything to help himself. There is also a view among the alcohol addiction specialists that the alcoholic has to hit rock bottom before he will truly commit to long-term recovery. Before that, there is a deep denial of the problem - Mark's resentment at having to live with alcoholics is indicative that he does not see the alcoholic in himself.

 

Rather than rushing to either throw him under the nearest bus or molly-coddle him in a purpose built flat, we may just have to wait until Mark hits rock bottom and decides that life without his addiction would be better and to provide him the support he requires when he does come around.

[4737 Carlin]

This fella is a bad example. He dossed around in Thailand during his peak earning years when most other people are busy grafting so they one day might be able to visit or retire to somehere like Thailand. Not much sympathy in his case. Having said that, ethnic Brits should always be put before non-Europeans when it comes to government assistance. Its insane that this point-of-view is even considered controversial - that is is what decades of brainwashing will do to a people.

[transam]

10 minutes ago, sanemax said:

 

    There are also many in low paid employment who do pay taxes .

Many do the jobs that Brits dont want to do .

All those Eastern European girls working in Starbucks on minimal pay, paying taxes and supporting Brits girls who are too lazy to work

That is their decision to accept a job with the salary on offer, obviously better than where they come from. If these girls were not here then Bucks would have to pay better salaries to attract local natives. Profits from Bucks just shows their agenda...The biggest fools are those who frequent the places, more money than sense...

[billd766]

1 hour ago, tonray said:

Why not buy insurance ? I know Brits are not accustomed to this but reality necessitates it here.

 

Have you tried to get insurance when you are over 70?

 

There was a thread running about that for a long time some 3 or 4 months ago.

[Media1]

5 hours ago, djayz said:

No! No government/country/tax payer should haul idiots back to their home countries.  Period! 

You paid for your flight here, you boozed and banged all your money away, you had a good time now rot in the gutter where you have landed. Sounds harsh, I know, but why should any adult expect others to bail him/her out? 

Yes only a smarty like you would come out with this remark. Thai Ness is rich you

[gandalf12]

5 hours ago, inThailand said:

Better and cheaper to pay him enough to live with soi dogs in Thailand. 

I think the Soi dogs would reject this apology for a human being

[berybert]

8 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said:

This fella is a bad example. He dossed around in Thailand during his peak earning years when most other people are busy grafting so they one day might be able to visit or retire to somehere like Thailand. Not much sympathy in his case. Having said that, ethnic Brits should always be put before non-Europeans when it comes to government assistance. Its insane that this point-of-view is even considered controversial - that is is what decades of brainwashing will do to a people.

He seems to be getting a lot more than many do. He has a roof over his head and £70 a week. There are people sleeping on the streets getting nothing. Many who have served in the armed forces.

Even now he is only worried about where he can get his next drink or packet of fags from.

Some people are just born losers.

[hobobo]

5 hours ago, johnray said:

There are no jobs in the UK because they outsource everything by choice.  So we have reached a point where government support is the only option for a lot of people in society.  This is simple mathematics.  If you have 10 people and 10 jobs. And than you give your company to China and loose 8 jobs.  You now have 8 people that need government support.  I don't really see the difference if he has been to a bar in Thailand or not.

 

It doesn't really matter if he's paid taxes because social security comes from general taxation.

Simplistic and inaccurate

[sanemax]

30 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said:

Having said that, ethnic Brits should always be put before non-Europeans when it comes to government assistance. Its insane that this point-of-view is even considered controversial - that is is what decades of brainwashing will do to a people.

 

    Irresponsible , alcoholic Brits should always come before responsible non drinking  non ethnic Brits ?

[djayz]

25 minutes ago, Media1 said:

Yes only a smarty like you would come out with this remark. Thai Ness is rich you

If your comment makes sense to you, then I'm happy for you. ?

[lamyai3]

"I decree today that life is simply taking and not giving
England is mine and it owes me a living
Ask me why and I'll spit in your eye"

 

The Smiths - Still ill

[Media1]

1 minute ago, djayz said:

If your comment makes sense to you, then I'm happy for you. ?

You are rude and have very little care of human beings. I did jail time with hardened crim's with more compassion than you. Lol

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, darksidedog said:

The individual in this story doesn't exactly cover himself in glory in his efforts, but it does raise the bigger question of those returning who have paid many, many years of Taxes and N.I. but for whom life overseas, for whatever reason has ended. As a UK citizen, you would like to think you would be offered at least the same benefits as recently arrived immigrants.

He only had to wait 3 months. If he hadn't been such a loser he would have had a job for at least that time.

Anyway, this guy is hardly typical of the usual guy returning to the UK after failing to make it in LOS for whatever reason.

BTW, he couldn't have stayed in LOS after his marriage ended, as too young for a retirement extension.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, hyku1147 said:

For the sake of argument, let's assume that he was stricken - whilst overseas - by a debilitating disease. Would he be eligible for assistance?

Apparently not. Unless he could get back to the UK and wait 3 months.

[anon789561]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He only had to wait 3 months. If he hadn't been such a loser he would have had a job for at least that time.

Anyway, this guy is hardly typical of the usual guy returning to the UK after failing to make it in LOS for whatever reason.

BTW, he couldn't have stayed in LOS after his marriage ended, as too young for a retirement extension.

why not. if he wasn't a piss head he could have well found a job. doesn't mention what he did before he ended up in LOS or studied

[djayz]

13 minutes ago, Media1 said:

You are rude and have very little care of human beings. I did jail time with hardened crim's with more compassion than you. Lol

I have loads of compassion for people who TRY to earn a living, who CONTRIBUTE to society and the comunity, people who are DILIGENT and live WITHIN their means, etc. In have zero compassion or patience for those who just take, take, take, squander and expect others to pick them up later.

I care only for those who are worth caring for. 

[KiChakayan]

"people are not generous in the UK, they just treat you like s**t"

 

Well what is he?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Happy enough said:

why not. if he wasn't a piss head he could have well found a job. doesn't mention what he did before he ended up in LOS or studied

I wouldn't employ someone who's work experience was owning a bar and partying for years, and barkeeping or labouring are not occupations that attract a work permit.

[LazySlipper]

5 hours ago, djayz said:

No! No government/country/tax payer should haul idiots back to their home countries.  Period! 

You paid for your flight here, you boozed and banged all your money away, you had a good time now rot in the gutter where you have landed. Sounds harsh, I know, but why should any adult expect others to bail him/her out? 

 

Yet the government will give welfare to people who claim asylum and who may very well be terrorists.

 

This case is the very reason why there is such a thing as welfare states. I am doing my best to survive here and support a family. If something (whatever) happens to me and I need to return home I would be really pissed off to see immigrants getting welfare to which I, a born national, am not entitled to.

Before condemning this guy people should really wonder if they are bullet proof themselves.

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

I get depressed every now and then but I fix it each time .....

I go and get a few more bottles of piss into me .....   then I'm right again 

I can imagine Mark posting something along those lines when things were going ok but he wasn't "fixing" it just papering over the cracks and digging a deeper hole. 

 

[sanemax]

7 minutes ago, Media1 said:

You are rude and have very little care of human beings. I did jail time with hardened crim's with more compassion than you. Lol

 

    Should people generally be caring and compassionate to everyone ?

This guy seems to had plenty of care and compassion from Family and Friends (and also the UK Gov) , plenty of help and support , but he always seems to be irresponsible and selfishly starts drinking .

   Why should he worry ?

There will always be someone there to bail him out

If he eventually finds himself in the gutter , with no one to bail him out

He may suddenly realise that hes got to stop drinking , although it may be too late by then .

    He seems to have adapted to the Thai mentality of just being concerned about where you next food or drink is coming from and not to be concerned about tomorrow .

[anon789561]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wouldn't employ someone who's work experience was owning a bar and partying for years, and barkeeping or labouring are not occupations that attract a work permit.

still don't know what he studied or if he had any other skills. he could be a talented computer programmer for all you know. maybe had a degree and could turn his hand to teaching if he quit the booze. Maybe the gift of the gab and a degree could land him a sales job at one of the many aussie SEO firms that have started opening up here over the past few years. like i said, who knows. i tend not to write people off until i know. he may well have no education or skills. but the story didn't fill me in on that so i wouldn;t say he had to go home because he wasn't at retirement age as i know many here for years who are neither married or retired thankfully.  i'd find the place pretty boring if it was like that TBH

[farcanell]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

So he likes a drink and a cigarette, it’s not right he should stop the things he enjoys because he is forced to choose between alcohol and food trying to live on seventy quid a week, this country needs to wake up and take care of its own”

 

What the f***.... ???

idiot friends as well, which can't help.

 

[dick dasterdly]

54 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Have you tried to get insurance when you are over 70?

 

There was a thread running about that for a long time some 3 or 4 months ago.

Or even in your mid 50's - with pre-existing conditions....

[farcanell]

12 minutes ago, LazySlipper said:

 

Yet the government will give welfare to people who claim asylum and who may very well be terrorists.

 

This case is the very reason why there is such a thing as welfare states. I am doing my best to survive here and support a family. If something (whatever) happens to me and I need to return home I would be really pissed off to see immigrants getting welfare to which I, a born national, am not entitled to.

Before condemning this guy people should really wonder if they are bullet proof themselves.

 

Factor a three month wait into your plans... done... sorted... your all good now, nannys got ya.

[sanemax]

12 minutes ago, LazySlipper said:

 

Yet the government will give welfare to people who claim asylum and who may very well be terrorists.

 

This case is the very reason why there is such a thing as welfare states. I am doing my best to survive here and support a family. If something (whatever) happens to me and I need to return home I would be really pissed off to see immigrants getting welfare to which I, a born national, am not entitled to.

Before condemning this guy people should really wonder if they are bullet proof themselves.

 

   We are talking about this guy in particular .

Asylum seekers and terrorists are besides the point .

You left the U.K. , other people went to live in the UK

They may now be entitled to some things that you are not .

[inThailand]

If this guy was not an expat in LOS, but instead did all this in the UK, does this make a difference of whether he should be taken care of?

[LivinginKata]

39 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

For the sake of argument, let's assume that he was stricken - whilst overseas - by a debilitating disease. Would he be eligible for assistance?

 

No chance .... UK government will not even pay for flight home without a pledge that someone will pay later. I happen to know 2 guys caught in this situation. One got his Thai girl friend to borrow money for his ticket home. The other died here in Thailand.