I have been blacklisted by thai immigration and banned for 5 yrs. (i was living in thailand from last 25 yrs)

Now my thai wife has appeal in immigration against this ban and our lawyer has given us some hope.

My question is what happens after i get removed from blacklist( legally) do i get some papers from immigration office that i m not blacklisted anymore as i dont want to be in any big trouble at my arrival on svarnbhumi airport

Does to get non -o visa (marriage visa)means that i m not blacklisted in thailand anymore?

Thanx eyeryone

Getting a visa does not mean you're off the blacklist. Theres not much point applying until you've written confirmation that you're off the list.

His question was the following;

"what happens after i get removed from blacklist( legally) do i get some papers from immigration office that i m not blacklisted anymore"

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Intresting to know,, if somebody could answer this...

 

Glegolo

4 hours ago, elviajero said:

Getting a visa does not mean you're off the blacklist. Theres not much point applying until you've written confirmation that you're off the list.

 

4 hours ago, elviajero said:

Getting a visa does not mean you're off the blacklist. Theres not much point applying until you've written confirmation that you're off the list.

Does the immigration and embassies dont share the same computer data base?

Removal from the blacklist before its expiry is extremely rare. I suspect your lawyer is "giving you some hope" because they are getting paid regardless, you did not negotiate a deal where you paid them only if successful.

 

Your lawyer, if they succeed in having you removed from the blacklist on compassionate grounds, would presumably be able to furnish you with documentation to prove it.

 

As stated above, consulates have no access to immigration blacklists. Being issued with a visa will probably not even allow you to check in for your flight to Thailand. The Advance Passenger Information System will alert immigration of your intention to travel, and immigration will tell the airline you will not be admitted.

 

The consulates are under the auspices of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Immigration Bureau is a completely separate branch of government. There is no formal data sharing between them.

6 hours ago, vasudev said:

our lawyer has given us some hope.

 

Lawyers always do give hope... only reason they stay in business...

And you got blacklisted because.....

4 minutes ago, Stradavarius37 said:

And you got blacklisted because.....

 

He was running a company with fake nominees.

Ahhh - Perhaps he didn't know it was illegal to do that...

You can appeal after 5 years, that is the earliest.

Once you get approval you will be removed from Blacklist, but they will maintain a lock on your name. 

Means every time when you leave and come back you will be ask to show the "approval letter".

BTW to change passport and name does not help because your  personal number does not change.

No need for a lawyer, that is a waste. Your wife can do, but earliest after 5 years.

 

If it were me I would simply move to Cambodia and bring my wife for the next 5 years.

Can we know the reason you were blacklisted?

Does any one really know how this "Black List" works.

Seems like some type of public legal proceedings would be requiter,

Who approves the addition of some one to the list?

It could be a dangerous tool in the wrong hands.

Is it public, who administers it, who has access to it?

How are you notified you are on this "Black List".

Lots of questions but no answers!

 

 

23 minutes ago, soistalker said:

Can we know the reason you were blacklisted?

He set up a Thai company with fake (non-existent) nominees, perhaps for the purpose of home purchase, not sure.

Edited October 4, 20178 yr by tonray

8 hours ago, vasudev said:

our lawyer has given us some hope.

You mean hes given himself hope of drawing a nice monthly salary of you for as long as he can string you along for, and i suspect your wife is the go between you and him so therefore even longer. Stated before will state again move to cambodia. Closer for your wife to visit you and she can still look after your MIL.

Edited October 4, 20178 yr by jeab1980

Cambodia is tightening the long term visa loop hole, many changes in Cambodia in the wind. Best to check the new rules and conditions, not that easy anymore.

 

14 minutes ago, tonray said:

He set up a Thai company with fake (non-existent) nominees, perhaps for the purpose of home purchase, not sure. He was forced to stay here for trial, the judgement was against him and I believe that he also ran into some overstay issues due to confusion about the special extension for the trial and verdict.

I was not overstay even for single day

Just now, vasudev said:

I was not overstay even for single day

Sorry....only trying to remember the details. I will correct,

Personally, I wouldn’t get your hopes up to high that the ban will be rescinded no matter what your lawyer says.  As was indicated in your previous post (Court case over but black listed) it is going to be an extremely expensive of action in terms of lawyer’s fees and disbursements. Removal of entry bans are extremely rare.

 

If, and when, the ban has either been terminated, or finished, it is unlikely that immigration will provide you with a letter confirming that the ban has been lifted. Again this is something that they normally will not do.

 

Please also bear in mind that even if the ban is lifted/finished and you obtain a visa, there is no guarantee that you will be allowed to enter the country.  Entry is at the discretion of the IO at the 'port of entry'.  The moment the IO scans your passport, your history will appear on their screen and if the IO has got out of the wrong side of the bed that morning they could refuse you entry for any one of several reasons.

 

Best of luck

32 minutes ago, farang62 said:

Cambodia is tightening the long term visa loop hole, many changes in Cambodia in the wind. Best to check the new rules and conditions, not that easy anymore.

 

I am still reliably informed its quite easy and painless. Rumour control is rife over there as it always is here  but thats all it is so far rumours. 

Edited October 4, 20178 yr by jeab1980

5 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

I am still reliably informed its quite easy and painless. Rumour control is rife iver there so im told but thats all it is so far rumours. 

Not rumor. In the news yesterday.

 

 

 

 

It might be difficult in theory, but this being corrupt Thailand, I wouldn't be surprised if the right amount of cash could get him off the blacklist.

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not rumor. In the news yesterday.

 

 

 

 

Still looks relativley easy a letter of employment is easily obtained. I note after all requirements the word OR is inserted im sure the agents are already up to speed.

19 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

Personally, I wouldn’t get your hopes up to high that the ban will be rescinded no matter what your lawyer says.  As was indicated in your previous post (Court case over but black listed) it is going to be an extremely expensive of action in terms of lawyer’s fees and disbursements. Removal of entry bans are extremely rare.

 

If, and when, the ban has either been terminated, or finished, it is unlikely that immigration will provide you with a letter confirming that the ban has been lifted. Again this is something that they normally will not do.

 

Please also bear in mind that even if the ban is lifted/finished and you obtain a visa, there is no guarantee that you will be allowed to enter the country.  Entry is at the discretion of the IO at the 'port of entry'.  The moment the IO scans your passport, your history will appear on their screen and if the IO has got out of the wrong side of the bed that morning they could refuse you entry for any one of several reasons.

 

Best of luck

Thanx for ur advice

Not being trite nor making a stupid joke - I thought they were ALL fake nominees, merely in name only.

Yes it is possible to clear Blacklist and enter the Kingdom, you will be escorted and given a VOA, from which you can revisa internally, Retirement, Dependant, ED 

Oh! source please!

 

Line :Yes it is possible to clear Blacklist and enter the Kingdom, you will be escorted and given a VOA, from which you can revisa internally, Retirement, Dependant, ED     Line :Thanyarat -14,she is doing for a German national at the moment 

The mechanics of Royal Thai Immigration are a mystery to the vast majority of posters here however, Num Jai is used along with discretion for people of good character and who have family within the Kingdom 

9 hours ago, vasudev said:

I have been blacklisted by thai immigration and banned for 5 yrs.

 

2 hours ago, visarunner said:

You can appeal after 5 years, that is the earliest.

Surely there wouldn't be much point in appealing after 5 years if the ban is for 5 years?

Or are you saying that you must appeal to allow you to be able to enter Thailand again after the ban is lifted?

Edited October 4, 20178 yr by Mattd