Son of Thailand's ex-PM Thaksin charged with money-laundering

[RWA]

2 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

You may be right , either way his family is being persecuted.

rightly so

[pornprong]

2 hours ago, jippytum said:

The bank during the Thaksin government was complicit in giving millions to a defunct building company . The money was shared among many hi so people .Some beneficiaries of the fraud are already in jail. Why should a member of the Thaksin family who received some of the ill gotten gains be treated differently from any one else .People who think this is victimization are wrong . This is  justice  be it overdue .

Why is it overdue?

It happened nearly 15 years ago.

Between then and now there has been 3 coups producing 2 Juntas and Abhisit's Democrat government......roughly 7+ years of non Thaksin governments and yet no charges filed up until now.

 

With an upcoming election that cannot be pushed back any further than the first half of 2019, suddenly the son of the messiah is facing charges that would make him ineligible to contest said election.

 

Touch curious don't ya think?

Edited October 19, 2017 by pornprong

[realenglish1]

This is political motivation after 14 years  get a life

 

 

[scorecard]

28 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Why is it overdue?

It happened nearly 15 years ago.

Between then and now there has been 3 coups producing 2 Juntas and Abhisit's Democrat government......roughly 7+ years of non Thaksin governments and yet no charges filed up until now.

 

With an upcoming election that cannot be pushed back any further than the first half of 2019, suddenly the son of the messiah is facing charges that would make him ineligible to contest said election.

 

Touch curious don't ya think?

 

'the messiah' 

 

Wow  - a very very naughty messiah...

 

Why did it take so long? Ever thought that there could be unethical behind the scenes activities to keep the wheels turning very slowly and even stop during the red gang years?

 

"suddenly the son of the messiah is facing charges that would make him ineligible to contest said election."

 

You really think he's seen as having the appropriate capabilities and track record to be a contributing politician (never mind, I guess he fits the PT / Red qualifications checklist).

Edited October 19, 2017 by scorecard

[Eric Loh]

Perhaps there are still hope that those old corruption Suthep cases will be brought to justice. Those wheels are turning too damn slow. 

[pornprong]

16 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

'the messiah' 

 

Wow  - a very very naughty messiah...

 

Why did it take so long? Ever thought that there could be unethical behind the scenes activities to keep the wheels turning very slowly and even stop during the red gang years?

Clutching at straws a bit here aren't we?

 

Your theory is that during the:

 

2006 coup Junta - Thaksin controlled the courts (yet curiously allowed himself to be convicted)

2008 coup Abhisit government - Thaksin controlled the courts (yet curiously allowed several of his allies to be convicted)

2014  coup Junta - Thaksin controlled the courts (yet curiously allowed Yingluck to be convicted)

 

I am curious as to how you explain that even in periods when Thaksin was in power and presumably had more control over the courts, the courts have still:

 

Twice disbanded his political partied (TRT and PPP)

Removed 3 of his elected Prime Ministers (Samak, Somchai and Yingluck)

Seized billions of baht of his own assets

 

I am also curious as to how you explain the total lack of any prosecutions or party disbanding for Abhisit and his Democrats.

 

But, but, but, but Thaaaakksiin

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2017 by pornprong

[Cats4ever]

That does it. My plans to change my surname to Thaksin by deed poll are definitely over.

[hotchilli]

Say's he'll fight it all the way in court... just like his dear ole sister did... right up to (almost) judgement day...

Flight risk seems to run in the family... best take his passport now or just forget all the preliminaries & ask him to leave for Dubai now!!

[Bundooman]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

Hahahahaha.

How wrong you are.

 

Democracy cannot be denied the people of Thailand for much longer.

1976, 1992, 2010 and soon 2018 will be added to the list.

 

The Thais know how to get rid of Junta's.

They may take their time going about it.

But in the end, they get it done.

 

And there is one more certainty to be added to this list.... whenever there are elections, Thaksin wins.

 

I can't wait to read what you're posting the day Thaksin and Yingluck step foot back in Thailand.

It'll be the biggest party the nation has ever seen and it will be within the next 5 - 6 years.

 

Hahahaha

(perhaps it is you who should be scouting out a residence in Dubai?)

Hahahahaha.

How wrong you are.......................... What a silly little boy attitude that is!

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

You may be right , either way his family is being persecuted.

Perhaps you mean prosecuted?? And they should be

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

Perhaps you mean prosecuted?? And they should be

Persecuted and prosecuted. That's how the junta get rid of their political enemies with the full array of judiciary cronies. 

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Persecuted and prosecuted. That's how the junta get rid of their political enemies with the full array of judiciary cronies. 

The shins are as corrupt as they come, just because you blindly follow them doesn't mean they are innocent of their many crimes and it doesn't mean they should get away with the terrible things they have done.

 

Its easy to say others too are corrupt but the more people they charge now with corruption the more that will continue to be charged. You have to start somewhere.

 

So sorry for you that they are holding your dearly loved Shins (aka. family of fugitives on the run) accountable for their actions but they deserve it!!!!

[pornprong]

27 minutes ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

The shins are as corrupt as they come, just because you blindly follow them doesn't mean they are innocent of their many crimes and it doesn't mean they should get away with the terrible things they have done.

If you know the "Shins" are as corrupt as they come, then you must know at least a little about the corruption of other Thais (otherwise, how else could you make the comparison?). So, just to enlighten us lay people, could you please list the three most severe cases of Thai corruption that you are aware of that doesn't involve a "Shin". You know, the ones you compared with "Shin" corruption to reach your conclusion that the "Shins" are as "corrupt as they come". 

 

Should you be unable to provide such a list, we are all going to have to assume that your opinions regarding the "Shins" are a result of (fascistic leaning) prejudices and not facts.

 

(ps - good place to start would be -  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/motherjones-mj93-course-corruption/

 

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Its easy to say others too are corrupt but the more people they charge now with corruption the more that will continue to be charged. You have to start somewhere.

Corrupting the legal system does not lead to less corruption.

 

Doesn't take a genius to realise this simple fact.

 

http://www.tlhr2014.com/th/?p=4774

 

Perhaps you need to remove the blinker restricting the range of vision of your "allseeingeye"

 

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So sorry for you that they are holding your dearly loved Shins (aka. family of fugitives on the run) accountable for their actions but they deserve it!!!!

Maybe they do deserve legal sanction, then again, maybe not - that's the problem created when the courts are interfered with to achieve desired political outcomes.

 

Would you feel comfortable pulling the trigger to fire the fatal bullets into the two Burmese lads convicted of the Koh Tao murders?

Edited October 19, 2017 by pornprong

[Eric Loh]

23 minutes ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

The shins are as corrupt as they come, just because you blindly follow them doesn't mean they are innocent of their many crimes and it doesn't mean they should get away with the terrible things they have done.

 

Its easy to say others too are corrupt but the more people they charge now with corruption the more that will continue to be charged. You have to start somewhere.

 

So sorry for you that they are holding your dearly loved Shins (aka. family of fugitives on the run) accountable for their actions but they deserve it!!!!

Only the Shins are corrupted? Are you so blind only see the Shins and not those aligned politicians, wealthy families, police officers and generals. No dearly loved Shin for me. Just want fair dispensation of justice regardless of their allegiance, wealth and power. 

[biggles45]

"they go for the rest of the family, revenge has no ending, it would appear."

 

The hatred runs deep on both sides and that is why talk of "reconciliation" is a waste of time. The party with the power, with or without the armies help, is always gonna victimise the other side. Been happening for years and won't change

 

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, biggles45 said:

"they go for the rest of the family, revenge has no ending, it would appear."

 

The hatred runs deep on both sides and that is why talk of "reconciliation" is a waste of time. The party with the power, with or without the armies help, is always gonna victimise the other side. Been happening for years and won't change

 

And how exactly have the Shinawatra's victimised the generals and the generals elite puppet masters?

 

The victimisation has been exclusively a one way affair.

 

Reconciliation will come about when the agreement for a complete pardon for the generals and their cronies is given in exchange for a return to democracy.

 

Sad outcome for justice, but, in the long run, the best outcome for the  nations future.

 

 

[Remus1830]

The junta will not be happy until every shinawat is out of Thailand because in an election any one of them would win.

Edited October 19, 2017 by Remus1830

[joecoolfrog]

1 hour ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

Perhaps you mean prosecuted?? And they should be

And so should hundreds of others including some who are currently in positions of power , that is the point.

[JAG]

36 minutes ago, pornprong said:

And how exactly have the Shinawatra's victimised the generals and the generals elite puppet masters?

 

The victimisation has been exclusively a one way affair.

 

Reconciliation will come about when the agreement for a complete pardon for the generals and their cronies is given in exchange for a return to democracy.

 

Sad outcome for justice, but, in the long run, the best outcome for the  nations future.

 

 

If the Generals are pardoned then s soon as the elected government does anything they don't like then they will be back.

 

The only outcome which works is one which removes the army, and it's remarkable number of generals, from politics.

 

How to do this?

[sandrew33]

20 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 Which is appalling but doesn't excuse or minimize the corruption of the Shin family, does it?

 

If you are pulled over for speeding, would your defense be that others were driving faster? 

<deleted>, this issue is that it's completely one sided and a purge and Thai people understand this. 

 

Ultimately it just sets the stage for the next round of tensions and trouble. It's entirely counter productive. 

 

I'm addressing the notion, expressed by many in here, that Thaksin is some sort of corrupt outlier. He simply isn't. His crime is he was better at the game than the establishment, so they have just taken over the country. This is pointless, takes the country nowhere and ultimately moves it backwards. Any assertion that it's warranted when judged against the standards of those judging him is absurd. 

 

Using your analogy, my defence for driving 10kmh over the limit in a country where everyone drives 20kmh over with impunity would in fact point out that fact. And it would be a defence that should cause folk to wonder why they only went after me, when those bringing the charges are at least as bad. 

 

Surely you can see that?  

[wakeupplease]

5 hours ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

The shins are as corrupt as they come, just because you blindly follow them doesn't mean they are innocent of their many crimes and it doesn't mean they should get away with the terrible things they have done.

 

Its easy to say others too are corrupt but the more people they charge now with corruption the more that will continue to be charged. You have to start somewhere.

 

So sorry for you that they are holding your dearly loved Shins (aka. family of fugitives on the run) accountable for their actions but they deserve it!!!!

I just wonder where you have been living for the last 80 years and what history books you read.

 

I do understand you cannot read the same books as I can as they are all blocked here aren't they, I wonder why that is.

[sandrew33]

21 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But you missed the little bit out the story, where he by-passed parliamentary procedure and just changed the law himself so he could sell the business to foreign buyers. Change the law and flog the business the next day - how quaint.

Because that's a naive or disingenuous interpretation of what happened in its context. 

 

The proposed law change to increase foreign ownership from 25% to 49% in telecommunications had been proposed and drafted in 2001. The Democrats had pushed for increased limits for years and Thaksin was constantly criticised by Abhisit for several years before the change for not freeing up foreign ownership to make the sector more competitive. 

 

Other carriers were already technically in breach of the foreign ownership laws. And Thaksin was under fire for owning such a huge interest in a critical sector while PM. 

 

He couldn't sell to anyone other than Thais at the time due to the foreign ownership laws and there were no adequately resourced and competent Thai operators offering to buy. 

 

So under pressure to sell; under pressure to relax foreign ownership laws and using a draft law that was almost 5 years old he passed it to enable said sale and to relax foreign ownership laws as demanded by the major opposition party (and ultimately coup backers). 

 

Damned if he did and damned if he didn't. 

 

This is all public record and was clear to anyone living here at the time and with a functional mind. 

 

Did you miss it? 

[daboyz1]

He created one of the most successful telecoms companies in the country.

What's the salary of a senior army official these days - they seem to do pretty well on it.

If we're taking tax evasion by rich Thais into account then I think we're going to run out of internet if we properly delve into whether or not this particular family are being abnormally targeted.

I'm curious how a cop suddenly starts a telecom conglomerate?

[rwdrwdrwd]

36 minutes ago, daboyz1 said:

I'm curious how a cop suddenly starts a telecom conglomerate?

 

He didn't.. "Founded in April 1986, AIS started off as a computer rental business"

Edited October 19, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[daboyz1]

 
He didn't.. "Founded in April 1986, AIS started off as a computer rental business"

Even more suspicious.

[janclaes47]

1 minute ago, rwdrwdrwd said:

 

"Founded in April 1986, AIS started off as a computer rental business"

 

And sold pc's to the whole police department.

[rwdrwdrwd]

Hey I didn't claim he wasn't an astute manipulator of connections. Though... anyone successful in Thailand has to be.

Edited October 19, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[Baerboxer]

11 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Somehow the 150 others who received some of the ill gotten money will not be investigated by the DSI. Justice misplaced? 

 

Whether or not they get investigated doesn't have any bearing on this case. He received 10 million and just like Daddy thought the returning it when caught was all he had to do. 

 

He is one of the ones likely to be in court. All he has to do is explain why he was given it and why he tried to give it back. Simple enough. But the Shins never want to do that. They consider themselves above the law, the courts and any explanations.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

 

And sold pc's to the whole police department.

 

Yep. And Thaksin allegedly was the policeman who organized the procurement tender! 

[billd766]

20 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yep. And Thaksin allegedly was the policeman who organized the procurement tender! 

 

IIRC he was awarded the contract by his Father in law, Potjaman's Daddy who was a police general in charge of procurement.

 

Her Father was a police general as are/were 2 of her brothers.