Michael Bloomberg: Brexit is stupidest thing any country has done besides Trump

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, Naam said:

the answer is they can. after freeing themselves from the colonial exploiting yoke and inspite of a terrible civil war the United States of America evolved to be (presently) politically, economically and militarily the most powerful nation.

I don't think you can compare the two.  A relatively newly discovered territory made up of multiple states, versus multiple countries each with centuries of their own identities, cultures, languages etc.

This idea of European nations all ganging up and becoming the USE to take on the USA is fantasy, and unnecessary in my humble opinion.

[Naam]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I make you right there, But most central banks of the world are owned by roughly the same people.

 

The people who own the FED also own the B-of-Eng.

Please do tell.

the majority of voting shares of the FED, the Bank of England and the European Central Bank is held by the United Headhunter Teacher's Pension Fund incorporated in Papua New Guinea.

[Naam]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

I don't think you can compare the two.  A relatively newly discovered territory made up of multiple states, versus multiple countries each with centuries of their own identities, cultures, languages etc.

This idea of European nations all ganging up and becoming the USE to take on the USA is fantasy, and unnecessary in my humble opinion.

some people differ from your humble opinion. i'm one of them.

[Naam]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

Nothing to do with Germany having to downsize it military then?

i served 12 years in the German armed forces and i am grateful because this enabled me to study alongside my service and obtain two master's and a doctorate which i, respectively my parents, could have never afforded financially. but judging the present situation i wonder whether Germany needs armed forces at all.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

THIS IS THE MOST STUPID THING

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/29/extremists-returning-jihadists-offered-council-house-bribes/

 

I'm going back. Where can I get RPGs?

 

There's about 400 beards

 

Should take about 3 Yorkshiremen

 

Who's with me?

Yes I agree and as a Yorkshire man you and those who can see beyond the Burkas should stand up for the UK. The EU wont. They will support the continued  integration of Islam into the Uk and other European countries. Will Grouse finally accept that the EU is Islamized.

 

http://www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/11831743.Keighley_man_returns_from_fighting_ISIS_in_Iraq/

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-isis-jihadis-who-are-british-fighters-waging-war-iraq-syria-islamic-state-1505425

[Airbagwill]

7 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

And again, this is just a list of companies that are making provision to operate in the EU post brexit. It is not a list of companies that are leaving, as you so falsely claim.

 

I guess that remainers feel the need to be so disingenuous all the time because the bald facts don't support their arguments. The only thing they got right was the currency drop, but everybody predicted that. And even that's working mostly in the economy's favour now.

Either you are arguing black is white  ... or ....When you say it isn’t gonna happen or is not happening, we draw the inference that you agree if it DID happen, that would be a bad thing.

 

Well it IS happening therefore you must agree that the remain prediction was right and as a Brexiteer you’ve made a big miscalculation

[oldhippy]

3 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Just a game, identifying your nationality. Can't imagine too many non-Germans putting the accent on the 'u' in your Beethoven quote.

Some non - Germans learned foreign languages.

By the way: did you have to google it? did you understand the link with the EU?

 

 

[oldhippy]

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I know Old Hippy. Your knowledge of beer, chocolates and carpets gives you away. Secret squirrel stuff. I'll not tell.

555

 

[oldhippy]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Please do tell.

That might be against forum rules.

 

PS. The European Central Bank fell in the hands of Draghi - formerly top employee of Goldman Sachs, the same Goldman Sachs that engeneered the Greek Debt Statistics fraud. (that was at the origin of the Greek euro crisis).

Google is your friend!

[oldhippy]

3 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I know Old Hippy. Your knowledge of beer, chocolates and carpets gives you away. Secret squirrel stuff. I'll not tell.

Carpets.... Yes I sell carpets, like we all do in Northern Africa.

But beer & chocolates?

[CG1 Blue]

35 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

Either you are arguing black is white  ... or ....When you say it isn’t gonna happen or is not happening, we draw the inference that you agree if it DID happen, that would be a bad thing.

 

Well it IS happening therefore you must agree that the remain prediction was right and as a Brexiteer you’ve made a big miscalculation

There has been a mixture of good and bad economic news since the referendum.  I acknowledge the bad news, even though it hurts to do so as a patriotic Brit. But the good economic news balances out the bad news. And if our economy has managed to remain strong throughout all this uncertainty, imagine what it can do once certainty is restored!

 

There are people who choose to only follow anti-Brexit news sources (Guardian, Independent, BBC etc.), and they probably won't know about the good economic news, which comes out on a very regular basis.

 

And then there are those remainers who are desperate for the UK economy to crash so they can say "I told you so". Those people just ignore any good economic news, and exaggerate the bad news.

 

[oldhippy]

My crystal bowl just reveiled the following scenario:

 

1/ no deal Brexit

2/ UK economy crashes

3/ UK loso elect a non hiso government (the first ever)

4/ Corbyn organises a Brentry referendum - result 99%><1% in favour

5/ Europeans remember the Parable of the Lost Sheep

6/ Europeans decide that they are not interested in sheep

 

[CG1 Blue]

12 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

My crystal bowl just reveiled the following scenario:

 

1/ no deal Brexit

2/ UK economy crashes

3/ UK loso elect a non hiso government (the first ever)

4/ Corbyn organises a Brentry referendum - result 99%><1% in favour

5/ Europeans remember the Parable of the Lost Sheep

6/ Europeans decide that they are not interested in sheep

 

Didn't Corbyn grow up in a 7 bedroom manor in rural Shropshire? Not sure how lo-so that is

[nong38]

The UK will leave the Europena Onion, that is fact and I dont understand why some people cannot accept that, even Juncker has confirmed that, once left we would not allowed back and after the way the EU has behaved since the leave vote who want to go back and told to stand in the corner?

For all those people with lots of money who have seen their fortunes wane and would like to see the UK fail, again I cannot understand this position, surely you want the UK to succeed to enhance your fortunes?

I voted to leave so I have to declare myself not clever for taking this position, yes the pound is down although not as down as it was when the Project Fear was in full cry, so thats good news, but with a little insight really clever people ( those who voted to remain )  who would have forseen the future of UK PLC would have safe guarded they finances rather than complain now. As a not very clever chap I decidied before the vote to move things financial into other fields which would only be affected by negative Brexit news by moving to areas which report in dollars which means that actually things have not gone to bad for me, so I do wonder how all these clever people did not do the same thing and no one has yet been able to answer that question so I have to surmise it might come down to something really very basic. When I went to school I was taught HOW to think whereas some were taught WHAT to think by their tutuors.

 

If anyone is not onboard UK PLC after the end of March 2019 thenthey are at liberty to apply for an European Onion passport from one of their countries, there is a choice, for me I am Backing Britain and we wont be the last to leave either.

[nong38]

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Didn't Corbyn grow up in a 7 bedroom manor in rural Shropshire? Not sure how lo-so that is

He comes from a rather well do family, I dont know what went wrong, the only good thing to say about him is that he supports the Arsenal!

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, oldhippy said:

My crystal bowl just reveiled the following scenario:

 

1/ no deal Brexit

2/ UK economy crashes

3/ UK loso elect a non hiso government (the first ever)

4/ Corbyn organises a Brentry referendum - result 99%><1% in favour

5/ Europeans remember the Parable of the Lost Sheep

6/ Europeans decide that they are not interested in sheep

 

 

Crystal bowls eh? Breakfast at your abode must be posh.

[oldhippy]

8 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Crystal bowls eh? Breakfast at your abode must be posh.

At least I did not type bowel.

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

Either you are arguing black is white  ... or ....When you say it isn’t gonna happen or is not happening, we draw the inference that you agree if it DID happen, that would be a bad thing.

 

Well it IS happening therefore you must agree that the remain prediction was right and as a Brexiteer you’ve made a big miscalculation

 

It isn't happening, and you're the one who is trying to claim that black is white. You presented a list of companies that you stated are leaving the UK, when it was nothing of the sort: it was a list of companies that are setting up subsidiary offices in the EU to satisfy post-brexit EU requirements.

 

I keep asking remainers this question, and all I ever get in reply is prevarication and speculation:

 

Name one major financial company that has announced it is shutting up shop in the UK, just one.

[Khun Han]

1 minute ago, oldhippy said:

At least I did not type bowel.

[oldhippy]

1 minute ago, Khun Han said:

 

It isn't happening, and you're the one who is trying to claim that black is white. You presented a list of companies that you stated are leaving the UK, when it was nothing of the sort: it was a list of companies that are setting up subsidiary offices in the EU to satisfy post-brexit EU requirements.

 

I keep asking remainers this question, and all I ever get in reply is prevarication and speculation:

 

Name one major financial company that has announced it is shutting up shop in the UK, just one.

Maybe businesses are waiting for the Tory/Paisley government to make up their minds about what kind of brexit they want?

[dundee48]

6 hours ago, vogie said:

It would appear that many of our european brethren do give a "rats arse" of the UKs decision to leave the funny farm, many of them keep reminding the majority of the UK who voted to leave what fools we are.

Especially the begging bowl countries.

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

There has been a mixture of good and bad economic news since the referendum.  I acknowledge the bad news, even though it hurts to do so as a patriotic Brit. But the good economic news balances out the bad news. And if our economy has managed to remain strong throughout all this uncertainty, imagine what it can do once certainty is restored!

 

There are people who choose to only follow anti-Brexit news sources (Guardian, Independent, BBC etc.), and they probably won't know about the good economic news, which comes out on a very regular basis.

 

And then there are those remainers who are desperate for the UK economy to crash so they can say "I told you so". Those people just ignore any good economic news, and exaggerate the bad news.

 

In a (Probably hopeless) attempt to strike some balance here, it is highly unlikely that UK plc will become a 3rd word basket case economy, or (Except for those living on planet Zog) that there will be no negative effect from ending full participation in the EU marketplace, to whatever extent that happens. When I heard Dr Fox boasting about how we could have a trade agreement with Panama, the hopeless inadequacy of what we have achieved so far on this front was impossible to deny,  we can only hope they do better in the future. You can't rule out the possibility that there are remainers who wan't the economy to crash so they can say "I told you so". They would have to be idiots, that outcome will hurt us all. The remainers I know, are genuinely worried that things - as they honestly see them - do not look good, they may yet be proved wrong even if that currently appears unlikely. The prosperity of countries - and to a large extent individuals also - depends on trade. Trade is based on co-operation between countries, not competition between them (Except for those with idiotic levels of "Go it alone- we are the greatest" nationalism). Trade should, and generally does benefit all involved (Post the days of colonial exploitation I should probably add). 

[chezy86]

This thread is better than Game of Thrones had a great laugh watching all the Remainers spouting their doom and gloom nonsense and the Brexiteers bitterly defending their decision to leave.Then there’s our European cousins telling us they don’t care we’re leaving when really they do care but they’re afraid others might follow and break up the party.
I’m sure Teresa May and her team are following this TV thread looking for ideas and advice so please keep it up can’t wait for the next episode.


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[oldhippy]

5 minutes ago, chezy86 said:

This thread is better than Game of Thrones had a great laugh watching all the Remainers spouting their doom and gloom nonsense and the Brexiteers bitterly defending their decision to leave.Then there’s our European cousins telling us they don’t care we’re leaving when really they do care but they’re afraid others might follow and break up the party.
I’m sure Teresa May and her team are following this TV thread looking for ideas and advice so please keep it up can’t wait for the next episode.


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May and her team? Did you say "team"?

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/team.html

A group of people with a full set of complementary skills required to complete a task, job, or project.
Team members (1) operate with a high degree of interdependence, (2) share authority and responsibility for self-management, (3) are accountable for the collective performance, and (4) work toward a common goal and shared rewards(s). A team becomes more than just a collection of people when a strong sense of mutual commitment creates synergy, thus generating performance greater than the sum of the performance of its individual members.

 

[Khun Han]

6 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

In a (Probably hopeless) attempt to strike some balance here, it is highly unlikely that UK plc will become a 3rd word basket case economy, or (Except for those living on planet Zog) that there will be no negative effect from ending full participation in the EU marketplace, to whatever extent that happens. When I heard Dr Fox boasting about how we could have a trade agreement with Panama, the hopeless inadequacy of what we have achieved so far on this front was impossible to deny,  we can only hope they do better in the future. You can't rule out the possibility that there are remainers who wan't the economy to crash so they can say "I told you so". They would have to be idiots, that outcome will hurt us all. The remainers I know, are genuinely worried that things - as they honestly see them - do not look good, they may yet be proved wrong even if that currently appears unlikely. The prosperity of countries - and to a large extent individuals also - depends on trade. Trade is based on co-operation between countries, not competition between them (Except for those with idiotic levels of "Go it alone- we are the greatest" nationalism). Trade should, and generally does benefit all involved (Post the days of colonial exploitation I should probably add). 

 

"When I heard Dr Fox boasting about how we could have a trade agreement with Panama, the hopeless inadequacy of what we have achieved so far on this front was impossible to deny"

 

We can't achieve anything much on the trade front until we leave the EU, other than informal talks with third parties, which have been highly positive. So no inadequacy there.

 

"The remainers I know, are genuinely worried that things - as they honestly see them - do not look good, they may yet be proved wrong even if that currently appears unlikely."

 

Spoken like a true remainer, the ones who base their views entirely on speculation which keeps being proven wrong by UK Inc's ongoing economic buoyancy (recession immediately after the referendum vote, recession by the end of 2016, recession guaranteed by the middle of 2017, recession by the end of 2017.....).

 

"The prosperity of countries - and to a large extent individuals also - depends on trade. Trade is based on co-operation between countries, not competition between them "

 

Which is exactly what the UK wants in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

 

"(Except for those with idiotic levels of "Go it alone- we are the greatest" nationalism)"

 

Oh dear. A remainer projecting his imagined prejudices again. Boring.

[Khun Han]

4 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

May and her team? Did you say "team"?

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/team.html

A group of people with a full set of complementary skills required to complete a task, job, or project.
Team members (1) operate with a high degree of interdependence, (2) share authority and responsibility for self-management, (3) are accountable for the collective performance, and (4) work toward a common goal and shared rewards(s). A team becomes more than just a collection of people when a strong sense of mutual commitment creates synergy, thus generating performance greater than the sum of the performance of its individual members.

 

 

UK government teams are rarely united. In recent decades it took a virtual dictator (Maggie) and a snake oil salesman (Blair) to do that. And even they, both, were undone by their own side eventually.

[chezy86]

May and her team? Did you say "team"?
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/team.html

A group of people with a full set of complementary skills required to complete a task, job, or project.
Team members (1) operate with a high degree of interdependence, (2) share authority and responsibility for self-management, (3) are accountable for the collective performance, and (4) work toward a common goal and shared rewards(s). A team becomes more than just a collection of people when a strong sense of mutual commitment creates synergy, thus generating performance greater than the sum of the performance of its individual members.

 

Haha yes maybe team was a little extravagant


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[oldhippy]

Politicians are by definition a weird bunch, but in the brexit soap both sides have gone through exceptional lengths to outdo one another in sillyness.

 

Cameron who thought to save his skin by organizing a referendum, Teresa who thought to get a strong mandate from early elections but now has to sleep with Paisley, the international clowns Farage and Boris, and some more minor clowns.

 

The European side counts 2,5 presidents (1 Juncker, 1 Tusk and 0,5 Tajani - I had to google for his name). And then there is Verhofstadt, that the Belgians dropped in the European parliament only to get rid of this smart ass troublemaker.

 

You would think that the average TVF poster would never take this soap seriously, but oh no, after all, this is the barstool forum.

 

 

 

 

[Nigel Garvie]

24 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

"When I heard Dr Fox boasting about how we could have a trade agreement with Panama, the hopeless inadequacy of what we have achieved so far on this front was impossible to deny"

 

We can't achieve anything much on the trade front until we leave the EU, other than informal talks with third parties, which have been highly positive. So no inadequacy there.

 

"The remainers I know, are genuinely worried that things - as they honestly see them - do not look good, they may yet be proved wrong even if that currently appears unlikely."

 

Spoken like a true remainer, the ones who base their views entirely on speculation which keeps being proven wrong by UK Inc's ongoing economic buoyancy (recession immediately after the referendum vote, recession by the end of 2016, recession guaranteed by the middle of 2017, recession by the end of 2017.....).

 

"The prosperity of countries - and to a large extent individuals also - depends on trade. Trade is based on co-operation between countries, not competition between them "

 

Which is exactly what the UK wants in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

 

"(Except for those with idiotic levels of "Go it alone- we are the greatest" nationalism)"

 

Oh dear. A remainer projecting his imagined prejudices again. Boring.

We can't achieve anything much on the trade front until we leave the EU, other than informal talks with third parties, which have been highly positive. 

Highly Positive? Do you know something no one else does? It could of course be self delusion, I understand the increasingly desperate need leavers have to convince themselves that it is all going wonderfully.

India told us to get lost because May wasn't prepared to address the student visa problem (Among others).

If you think China and Japan were overcome with excitement about loosing a gateway into the EU you have odd sources of news. Or maybe you base your views entirely on speculation.

 

Which is exactly what the UK wants in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

Which is exactly what the UK had in it's pre-brexit relationship with the EU.

Which is exactly what the UK is highly unlikely to get in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

 

[Khun Han]

3 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

We can't achieve anything much on the trade front until we leave the EU, other than informal talks with third parties, which have been highly positive. 

Highly Positive? Do you know something no one else does? It could of course be self delusion, I understand the increasingly desperate need leavers have to convince themselves that it is all going wonderfully.

India told us to get lost because May wasn't prepared to address the student visa problem (Among others).

If you think China and Japan were overcome with excitement about loosing a gateway into the EU you have odd sources of news. Or maybe you base your views entirely on speculation.

 

Which is exactly what the UK wants in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

Which is exactly what the UK had in it's pre-brexit relationship with the EU.

Which is exactly what the UK is highly unlikely to get in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

 

 

We can't achieve anything much on the trade front until we leave the EU, other than informal talks with third parties, which have been highly positive. 

Highly Positive? Do you know something no one else does? It could of course be self delusion, I understand the increasingly desperate need leavers have to convince themselves that it is all going wonderfully.

India told us to get lost because May wasn't prepared to address the student visa problem (Among others).

If you think China and Japan were overcome with excitement about loosing a gateway into the EU you have odd sources of news. Or maybe you base your views entirely on speculation.

 

The USA: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40716317

 

Australia: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40555634

 

New Zealand: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/13/uk-to-begin-talks-with-new-zealand-on-post-brexit-trade-deal

 

China: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-britain-trade/britain-china-pledge-to-promote-free-trade-idUKKBN15W0FN

 

And so on.

 

Which is exactly what the UK wants in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

Which is exactly what the UK had in it's pre-brexit relationship with the EU.

Which is exactly what the UK is highly unlikely to get in it's post-brexit relationship with the EU.

 

Which would be exactly the fault of the EU. And it would be exactly a huge financial loss to several of it's members, some of which would go into recession because of the EU's intransigence. And, unlike the UK, those members would be unable to negotiate independent trade deals to make up the shortfall.