Thailand or Philippines? Who has been to both?

[manchega]

the question it comes down to for me is

 

do i really want to be in an environment where I require my own personal body guard to accompany me everywhere.

 

the answer is of course, nope, if i;m that scared why bother.

 

it is beautiful country though.

[balo]

1 hour ago, MaeJoMTB said:

False impression of safety ....... I've never heard of Filipinos gang kicking tourists, seen plenty of stories of it in Thailand.

You talk about false impression ,  I lived in Bangkok for 4 years and I could walk anywhere , late at night and felt safe . 

In Manila you are warned the minute you land at the airport that it's not safe to be seen alone as a foreigner in certain parts of the city . 

 

In Pattaya I also feel safe, but I am not hanging around in the bar areas waiting for a fight. 

 

It's a fact that a lot of foreigners has been murdered in the Philippines the last 20 years , here is a list of dead foreigners between 2003 and 2013

 

he following is a list of foreigner murders or acts of terrorism committed between 2003 and 2013. Many more are committed and not reported in the regional or national news: AITKIN, Phillip Andrew b: abt 1963 in Australia (British passport - dual) d: 20 Oct 2008 in Guadalupe Village, Lanang, Davao City, Mindanao, Philippines; AKSNES, Nils Frode Steen b: abt 1958 in Norway d: 20 Jul 2009 in Grantville Subdivision, Consolacion, Cebu, Philippines; ANG, Luis b: abt 1953 in Chinese National d: 18 Oct 2011 in Tondo District, Metro Manila, Philippines; ATKINS, Paul Raymond b: abt 1949 in Stoke On Trent, England d: 18 Oct 2011 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; BALMER, David b: abt 1955 in Northern Ireland d: Sep 2009 in Barangay Malabanias, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; BASHAM, James K b: 14 May 1947 in Jefferson County, Kentucky d: 19 Sep 2010 in Barangay Pampang, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; BAYLEY, Graham b: abt 1952 in of Staffordshire, England d: 31 Dec 2010 in Cabanatuan City, Nueva Ecija, Luzon, Philippines; BENNUN OR BANNAN, Geoffrey Allan b: abt 1950 in Canadian passport d: 12 Jul 2010 in Clarkview, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; BROWN, Ivan Royal b: abt 1943 in /of Bentleigh Court, Australia d: 24 Sep 2008 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; BUCHNER, Donald b: in United States d: 26 Sep 1989 in near Camp O'Donnell, Capas, Tarlac, Philippines; BUENAFLOR, Raymond Cesar b: 18 Oct 1938 in of the U.S. d: 10 Feb 2010 in Barangay Pulung Maragul, Angeles City, Pampanga; BUHLER, Ronald Barsh b: abt 1952 in Germany d: 26 May 2010 in Village 3. Talakag, Bukidnon, Mindanao, Philippines; BUJNOWSKI, George Harold b: 22 May 1947 in prob Massachusetts d: 26 Aug 2009 in Barangay Gun-ob, Lapu-Lapu City, Cebu, Philippines; BURNEY, Jim b: abt 1944 in Australia d: 25 May 2009 in Tangalan, Aklan, Philippines; BURNHAM, "Hostage" Martin "Missionary" b: abt 1960 in of Rose Hill, Butler County, Kansas d: 7 Jun 2002 in Mindanao, Philippines. [Source: Brain Twister, Topix, August 18, 2013]

 CABURNAY, Orlando Barrozo b: 19 Aug 1952 in /of Greatmills, St. Mary's County, Maryland d: 27 Jun 2011 in Brgy. Sampaguita, San Pedro, Laguna, Philippines; CAMPBELL, Julia "Peace Corps" b: 25 Jan 1967 in of Fairfax, Fairfax County, Virginia d: 8 Apr 2007 in Brgy. Batad, Banaue, Ifugao, Philippines; CARZEDDA, Fr Salvatore b: in Italy d: 1992 in Zamboanga, Mindanao, Philippines; CASTEEN, Leamon Wesley Jr b: 23 Jan 1935 in South Carolina d: 30 Mar 2011 in Sanciangko Street, Cebu City, Cebu, Phillipines; CHANDER, Subash "Lucky" b: abt 1977 in India d: bef 26 Sep 2010 in Ilagan, Isabela, Philippines; CHANG, Suk-hi (plus two unamed) b: abt 1954 in South Korea d: 27 Jul 2008 in Kabalan village, Olongapo City, Philippines; CHO, Rev. Te-Hwan "Missionary" b: in South Korea d: 22 Aug 2010 in Manila, Philippines; CHOI, In-Soo b: in South Korea d: 2 Dec 2011 in Hospital, Cagayan de Oro City, Philippines; CO, Shahani "Raymond" b: in Chinese National d: 28 Nov 2010 in Fontana Leisure Parks/Casino, CEZ, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; CONEJAR, Rodgen b: abt 1954 in Australia d: 11 Nov 2011 in Bunawan Brook, Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines; COWPERTHWAITE, John James b: abt 1944 in England d: 2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Mt. Luho, Balabag, Boracay Island, Aklan, Philippines; DAVIS, Sgt Randy b: abt 1957 in United States d: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; DAVIS, Steven "Steve" b: in England d: 2002 in Manila, Philippines; DEBONO, Joseph Mary b: abt 1938 in Australia d: 7 Aug 2011 in Ano, Brgy. Banilad, Dumaguete City, Negros Oriental, Philippines; DIEFENBACKED, Benn b: in Europe d: bet Jan and Sep 2011 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; DOLAN, Owen b: in New Zealand d: 15 Aug 2001 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; DVORAK, Richard Kevin b: 12 Apr 1961 in Missouri d: 27 Aug 2003 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; Ex-pat aka "Santa Claus” b: in United States d: 2000 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines.

 FAHEY, Kenneth b: abt 1953 in /of Sydney, New South Wales, Australia d: 24 Feb 2009 in near Ayungon, Negros Oriental, Philippines; FAUST, A1C Steven M b: 11 Sep 1965 in Deer Park, Harris County, Texas d: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; FAVALI, Fr. Tullio b: in Italy d: 1985 in Tulunan, North Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines; FORSTENHAUSLER, Anton b: abt 1941 in Germany d: 2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Boracay Island, Aklan, Philippines; FRONDA, Julius b: abt 1960 in /a U.S. Citizen d: 14 Mar 2011 in #284 Unson St., San Pablo City, Laguna, Philippines; FRONDA, Zenaida b: abt 1937 in /a U.S. Citizen d: 14 Mar 2011 in #284 Unson St., San Pablo City, Laguna, Philippines; <deleted>, Cheuk-Yan b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines; FUNG, Kwok Che b: abt 1949 in of Hong Kong d: abt 8 Apr 2011 in Sitio Cantimog, Brgy. Libhu, Maasin City, Leyte, Philippines; GRAHAM, James Kermit b: in United States d: in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; HA, Yang-Kang b: in South Korea d: 30 Jan 2010 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; HAESSLER, Kartsen b: abt 1963 in of Wolfsburg, Germany d: Nov 2006 in San Francisco, Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines; HAMMER, John d: abt 2000 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; HOLTZ, Hans b: abt 1954 in Germany d: 14 Apr 2006 in Clark Ave, Villasol Subd, Brgy Arunas, Angeles City, Philippines; HOLZ, Werner b: abt 1947 in of Melbourne, Australia d: 6 Jan 2009 in Ajuy, Iloilo, Philippines; HONDA, Hiromi b: abt 1951 in Japan d: abt 30 Jan 2010 in Manila, Philippines; HUANG, Shao-Huai b: abt 1964 in Chinese National d: 9 Jul 2011 in St. Luke’s Medical Center, Quezon City, Luzon, Philippines; HYDE, William P "Missionary" b: 3 Feb 1944 in of Iowa d: 4 Mar 2003 in Davao City, Mindano, Philippines; HYUNG, Hur b: abt 1952 in South Korea d: 28 Sep 2011 in San Juan City, Manila, Philippines.

 

More Foreigners Murdered in the Philippines

 

 IMOTO, Kazuya b: abt 1961 in Yoshimizu-Cho, Kyoto, Japan d: 8 Jun 2010 in Subic Techno Park, Subic Bay, Philippines; ISHERWOORD, Jane b: abt 1947 in England d: 30 Oct 2010 in Dau Street, Pilar Village, Las Piñas City, NCR, Philippines; JARMAN, Leonard b: abt 1940 in Rhondda Cynon Taf, Wales, United Kingdom d: 31 Aug 2007 in Las Pinas City, Metro Manila, Philippines; JOHNSON, SFC Mark Wayne "Green Beret" b: 7 Jun 1962 in Saginaw, Saginaw County, Michigan d: 2 Oct 2002 in Malagutay, Zamboanga, Mindanao, Philippines; JONES, Bruce Anthony b: abt 1960 in England d: 21 Sep 2010 in Brgy. Pulung Maragul, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; KAKARA, James Thomas b: 25 Feb 1950 in Los Angeles County, California d: 24 Dec 2011 in Viva Road, Barangay Kaybagal South, Tagaytay City, Cavite, Philippines; KANG, Ha-Young b: in South Korea d: 30 Jan 2010 in Clark economic zone, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; KESSLER, Martin b: abt 1963 in Germany d: May 2009 in Quezon City, Philippines; KIM, Jae-Chun Lee b: in South Korea d: 16 Dec 2011 in Sta Barbara, Piat, Cagayan, Luzon, Philippines; KIM, Min-Jung b: abt 1988 in South Korea d: 24 May 2011 in in Eurotel, Pedro Gil Street, Malate, Metro Manila, Philippines; KIM, Young-Dal b: abt 1954 in South Korea d: 26 Jul 2011 in Ternate, Cavite, Philippines; KINDY, Steven "Steve" aka Candy b: 12 Mar 1969 in of Midland, Midland County, Michigan d: 20 Sep 2010 in Mahayahay, Iligan, Lanao del Norte, Philippines; KO, Jaem-Young b: abt 1962 in South Korea d: abt 20 Jul 2010 in Villasol Subd., Brgy. Anunas, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; KRUSE, Herman b: abt 1941 in Germany d: 3 Jul 2009 in Daan Bantayan, Cebu, Philippines; KUMAR, Anil b: abt 1975 in India d: 20 May 2007 in Lucban town, Quezon, Luzon, Philippines. [Source: Brain Twister, Topix, August 18, 2013]

 LAVERI, William "Bill" b: 20 Aug 1939 in prob Connecticut d: 28 Jul 2011 in Sta. Maria 1, Balibago, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; LEE, Hyen-Koung b: in South Korea d: 26 Dec 2007 in Brgy. Manibaug, Paralaya, Pampanga, Philippines; LEUNG, Doris Chung-See b: abt 1989 in of Hong Kong (Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines; LEUNG, Jessie Song-yi b: abt 1996 in of Hong Kong (Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines; LEUNG, Ken Kam-wing b: in of Hong Kong (Canadian Passport) d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines; LIM, Kyong Il b: abt 1979 in South Korea d: 30 Jan 2011 in Ayala Alabang Village, Metro Manila, Philippines; LINGLEY, Barry Ernest b: 7 May 1950 in /of San Jose, Santa Clara County, California d: 27 Jun 2011 in Brgy. Cristo Rey, Capas, Tarlac, Philippines; LOBKI, Antonio Henricos b: abt 1919 in Netherlands d: 6 Jan 2009 in Barangay Liboron, Carcar City, Cebu, Phillipines; MAGELLAN, Ferdinand b: c 1480 in Sabrosa, Portugal d: 27 Apr 1521 in Mactan Island, Cebu, Philippines; MANGANTI, Ret. Sgt. Herculano b: abt 1927 in Philippines with U.S. Citizenship d: 28 Oct 1987 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; MASA, Tse b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines; MAXWELL, Charles "Charlie" b: abt 1948 in of Longbridge Deverill, Warminster, Wiltshire, England d: 12 Apr 2009 in Ubay, Bohol, Philippines; MAZZA, Sergio Sandro b: abt 1972 in of Berlin, Germany d: 10 Jun 2010 in Legaspi Village, Makati, Manila, Philippines; MCDONALD, John Lorne b: abt 1983 in of Aberdeen, Lancashire, England d: 5 Sep 2010 in Angona, Rizal, Philippines; MELTON, Jerry b: abt 1957 in United States d: 5 Mar 2009 in Barangay Malabanias, Angeles City, Philippines; MICHALSKI, Dr Frank Joseph M.D. b: 28 Sep 1938 in of Jacksonville, Duval County, Florida d: 10 Aug 2009 in Tagaytay City, Cavite, Philippines; MIDDLETON, Carl Roy b: abt 1968 in of England d: 19 Jun 2010 in Tayaw Lodge, Baguio City, Philippines; MILLER, William Henry "Billy" b: abt 1966 in United States d: 16 Dec 2010 in Barangay Capaya, Angeles City, Philippines; MITCHELL, Albert Raye Sr b: 28 Nov 1937 in Highpoint, Guilford County, North Carolina d: 22 Jul 2010 in Barangay Malabanias, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; MURDOCH, Gordan David b: abt 1939 in of Batemans Bay, Australia d: 16 Feb 1981 in Mindanao, Philippines.

 NICHOLAS, Anthony b: abt 1946 in of London, England d: 6 Sep 2010 in Sitio Matlag, Barangay 4, Sipalay, Negros Occidental, Philippines; NOE, Victor Eugene b: 31 Jan 1946 in of Indiana d: 24 Jul 2006 in R. Duterte Street, Banawa, Cebu City, Cebu, Philippines; OH, Young-Kwan b: abt 1969 in South Korea d: 26 Dec 2007 in Brgy. Manibaug, Paralaya, Pampanga, Philippines; PERIDER, Pierre b: in Belguim d: 22 Apr 2009 in Southern Tagalog Arterial Road (STAR) Tollway in Batangas, Luzon, Philippines; PORTER, James Bolton b: abt 1960 in of Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England d: 16 Jul 2010 in Barangay Balibago, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; R, Richard b: abt 1940 in of Canton, Switzerland d: 12 May 2010 in /near Manila, Philippines; RASAY, Mikael Troy Johansen b: abt 1993 in of Oslo, Norway d: 31 Jul 2011 in Timog Avenue, Quezon City, Philippines; REICH, Alexander b: abt 1987 in /of Brüttisellen, in canton Zurich, Switzerland d: 22 Sep 2011 in Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines; REUTENBERG, Darcy Hanz "Missionary" b: abt 1958 in Canada d: 26 Jun 2011 in Barangay Adlawon, Cebu City, Cebu, Philippines; ROBERTS, Paul Anthony b: abt 1949 in England d: 28 Jun 2009 in Barangay Canigao, Kalibo, Aklan, Philippines; ROWE, COL James Nicholas b: 8 Feb 1938 in McAllen, Hidalgo County, Texas d: 21 Apr 1989 in Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines; SABERO, Guillermo b: abt 1961 in of Corona, Riverside County, California d: abt 12 Jun 2001 in Basilan Island, Mindanao, Philippines; SCHOENI, Manfred b: abt 1944 in Switzerland d: 2 May 2004 in villa La Dolce Vita, Mt. Luho, Balabag, Boracay Island, Aklan, Philippines; SELVARAJ, Palaniappen b: abt 1955 in Malaysia d: 18 Jun 2009 in Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; SHINDA, Surinder b: in Jalandhar, Punjab, India d: Jul 2006 in Manila, Philippines; SIEPKAMP, Hans van de b: 10 Feb 1952 in Voorburg, Leidschendam, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands d: 15 Dec 2011 in Sta. Maria 1, Balibago, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; SINGH, Charmjewd b: in India d: 25 Nov 2010 in President Quirino, Sultan Kudarat, Mindanao, Philippines; SINGH, Gurmail b: abt 1969 in Kot-Bhaktu, Bathinda, Punjabi, India d: 22 Jan 2011 in Manila, Philippines; SINGH, Manjeat b: abt 1984 in India d: 15 Nov 2011 in Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines; SINGH, Mohinder b: in India d: 25 Feb 2011 in Manila, Philippines; SINGH, Pardeep b: abt 1985 in India d: 5 Mar 2011 in Angono, Rizal, Philippines; SINGH, Raja b: abt 1974 in India d: 10 Aug 2011 in Brgy. Lower Mohon, Talisay City, Cebu, Philippines; SINGH, Satinder b: abt 1984 in India d: 10 Jun 2010 in Panabo, Davao del Norte, Mindanao, Philippines; SINGH, Sokhdib b: in India d: 5 Oct 2010 in Brgy. Lag-asan, Cadiz City, Negros Occidental, Philippines; SINGH, Sukhinder b: abt 1985 in India d: 15 Nov 2011 in Agusan del Sur, Mindanao, Philippines; SMITH, Brian Thomas b: 20 Feb 1960 in Grinnell, Poweshiek County, Iowa d: 30 Jan 2002 in Mt. Pinatubo, Porac, Pampanga, Philippines; SO, Richard b: abt 1955 in Chinese d: 24 Sep 2010 in Haven Hotel, Brgy. Pulung Maragul, Angeles City, Pampanga, Philippines; STEIN, Nils Aksnes Frodei b: abt 1958 in Norway d: 20 Jul 2009 in Subd. Jugan, Consolacion town, Cebu, Philippines; SUBHASH, Chandre Bhati b: abt 1974 in India d: 7 Dec 2011 in Purok 2, Brgy. Naggasican, Santiago City, Isabela, Philippines; SUNG, Jung-Hak b: abt 1982 in South Korea d: 7 Aug 2010 in Brgy. Dau, Mabalacat, Pampanga, Philippines.

 TENTORIO, Fr. Fausto b: abt 1952 in Italy d: 17 Oct 2011 in Arakan, North Cotabato, Mindanao, Philippines; THOMPSON, William b: in United States d: 26 Sep 1989 in near Camp O'Donnell, Capas, Tarlac, Philippines; THORPE, Thomas Michael b: 26 Dec 1979 in Canandaigua, Ontario County, New York d: 13 Aug 2009 in Fields Ave., Balibago, Angeles City, Pampamga, Philippines; ; U.S. STATE DEPT FILE, Two Unnamed American(s) b: in U.S. Citizen d: 25 Mar 2010 in San Jose Del Monte, Bulacan, Philippines; ; US NAVY, Two "Sebees" b: in of United States d: 29 Sep 2009 in near Indanan, Sulu, Jolo Island, Philippines; VIKSTEN, Alfonso Melker b: abt 1947 in Sweden d: 7 Jun 2008 in Sitio Catap, Brgy. Banlot, Sibonga, Cebu, Philippines; WANG, Guilin b: abt 1964 in Chinese National d: 18 Dec 2001 in Nueva Ecija province, North Luzon, Philippines; WILLIAMS, Martin b: abt 1966 in of Liverpool, England d: 24 Mar 2009 in Boloc-boloc Spring, Brgy. Mansasa, Pangalo, Bohol, Philippines; WONG, Tze-Iam b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines; YEUNG, Yee-kam b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines; YEUNG, Yee-Wa b: in of Hong Kong d: 23 Aug 2010 in Quirino Grandstand, Manila, Philippines;

 

Peace Corps Volunteer Beaten to Death in the Rural Philippines

 

 In April 2007, an American Peace Corps volunteer, Julia Campbell, 40, of Fairfax, Va., disappeared during a solo hike to Ifugao province's famed mountainside rice terraces. Initially it was thought that she might have fallen and been carried away a rushing stream but later her killers confessed on television to what he did. Associated Press reported: “The man suspected of killing a Peace Corps volunteer who was beaten to death and buried in a shallow grave gave himself up and confessed on television, saying he would accept "whatever punishment you will impose on me." Juan Duntugan claimed he was fuming about a running feud with a neighbor when Julia Campbell bumped into him from behind, causing him to drop a bundle of clothes he was carrying. "My mind went blank," Duntugan told ABS-CBN television. "I did not know who she was or what she was. I got a rock and I hit her on the head. If I can change my body for hers, I will do it. But that's not possible. Whatever punishment you will impose on me, I will accept it." [Source: Associated Press, April 27, 2007 ><]

 “Apparently referring to speculation that Campbell may have been killed during an attempted rape or robbery, Duntugan said: "I admit it, yes. I killed her, but I did not do whatever other people are thinking I did." National police chief Oscar Calderon said police were "documenting his statement in the presence of a lawyer." Senior Superintendent Pedro Ganir, police chief of northern Ifugao province, where Campbell's body was found April 18, told The Associated Press that Duntugan's mother persuaded him to turn himself in and his uncle delivered him to the police station in the provincial capital of Lagawe. "We provided him security so that he will not be harmed," Ganir said. ><

 “Duntugan's wife had sold Campbell a soft drink before her hike, and a boy has told police that he saw him near the grave that day. Duntugan, a woodcarver who lives in the area, went into hiding the next day. A police autopsy showed that Campbell, who worked as a freelance journalist for The New York Times and other media organizations, was killed by multiple blows to the head, and that her arms were injured, indicating she tried to ward off an attack. ><

 “Campbell worked in Bicol as an English teacher. The Bicol region, southeast of Manila, includes Albay's provincial capital Legazpi and Donsol township in nearby Sorsogon province, which is famous for whale sharks and is where Campbell helped launch an ecology awareness campaign.

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[MaeJoMTB]

4 minutes ago, balo said:

In Manila you are warned the minute you land at the airport that it's not safe to be seen alone as a foreigner in certain parts of the city . 

Nobody has ever warned me, and I walk to/from the airport through the Barrio to Pasay  bus station every time I go.

According to Australian and British FO stats, you are 20x more likely to die on a trip to Thailand than you are in Europe.

Edited November 12, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[Gruff]

2 hours ago, balo said:

You talk about false impression ,  I lived in Bangkok for 4 years and I could walk anywhere , late at night and felt safe . 

In Manila you are warned the minute you land at the airport that it's not safe to be seen alone as a foreigner in certain parts of the city . 

 

 

Completely untrue now, i have flown into Manila at least half a dozen times in the past couple of years. Never seen such warnings ! 

 

Re the number of murdered foreigners in Phils in the years 2003 to 2013 what is the sense of that unless youhave a comparison withThailand ?

[MaeJoMTB]

1 minute ago, Gruff said:

Re the number of murdered foreigners in Phils in the years 2003 to 2013 what is the sense of that unless youhave a comparison withThailand ?

I'm thinking more tourists killed in Koh Tao (Island of death) than in the whole of the PI.

And all the foreign 'balcony jumpers' in Thailand, does that happen in PI?

Edited November 12, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[Gruff]

33 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

I'm thinking more tourists killed in Koh Tao (Island of death) than in the whole of the PI.

And all the foreign 'balcony jumpers' in Thailand, does that happen in PI?

I think you will find all of them in Koh Tao were suicide as well. Safe place Thailand !!!

Edited November 12, 2017 by Gruff

[balo]

Nonsense , just search for statistics from both countries , farang deaths in Thailand is mostly suicides and illness.   Defend PI all you want , there are some good areas , but Manila is not safer than Bangkok. 

 

 

 

 

[Gruff]

3 hours ago, balo said:

Nonsense , just search for statistics from both countries , farang deaths in Thailand is mostly suicides and illness.   Defend PI all you want , there are some good areas , but Manila is not safer than Bangkok. 

 

 

 

 

i have attempted to search for meaningful statistics comparing the two but have been unsuccessful so i would be very interested if you have had more luck with that.  I wish i could find something useful because i would like to be able to defend that the Phils is no more dangerous than Thailand as many have stated the opposite in this thread (but with no supporting evidence i would add)  What is clear is that on TV forum there are at least once daily reports of vicious attacks Thais on Thais, Thai(s) on Foreigner and Foreigner on Foreigner.  My perception and experience  is that the tourist places i have visited in Phils are less aggressive than the tourist areas in Chiang Mai. When i was in CM last year i was witnessing an unpleasant incident on almost a weekly basis. These include a Westerner thumped in the face by a Thai in Spicy, an argument between a Thai and a Burmese in LK Soi 1 when the Burnese guy drew a knife, an incident in a Moong Muang Soi where a group of Thais armed with whatever weapon they could find were chasing after a Westerner who had clearly been involved in a drunken argument. A Thai teenager who (without an ounce of provocation) ran up behind a friend and i whilst walking on the moat and jumped on my friend. An  American and Scottish guy in a vicious row in a Moon Muang bar which made me decide to leave to avoid involvement. A horribly drunk European guy walking into a Loi Kroh bar being really aggressive to all customers and picking up a stool to try and fight with. Well that is the 6 i recall and i was there less than 6 weeks. During the same vacation trip i also witnessed a vicious thump and run attack by a Thai on a Westerner in Pattaya.  I accept that i may have had an unlucky vacation (and i do really believe CM is becoming an unhappy place and a place in decline)  but i realise that my observations alone are no proof that Phils is safer or as safe.

[LostinSEA]

It depends on what kind of location you go to, my personal view (after having visited all but the Thai rural location)...

1. Capital City - Bangkok is much safer than Manila
2. "Monger" City - Pattaya is safer than Angeles City
3. Beach - Boracay is head and shoulders safer than Phuket
4. Major City - Davao is much safer than Chiang Mai
5. "Boonies" - Same Same, typically very safe to go if you're visiting with a "Friend"

 

YMMV

 

[MaeJoMTB]

9 hours ago, balo said:

 farang deaths in Thailand is mostly suicides and illness. 

That's if you believe a nation of liars.

(Can we use 'foreign' please, I'm not a racist, and everything isn't about white people)

[MaeJoMTB]

6 hours ago, Gruff said:

i have attempted to search for meaningful statistics comparing the two but have been unsuccessful so i would be very interested if you have had more luck with that. 

Just search for numbers of foreign deaths, forget the reported reasons for the deaths, and the answer becomes clear.

Thailand 20x more dangerous than Europe.

Edited November 13, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[Ulysses G.]

19 hours ago, balo said:

PI is not safe for  a foreigner to walk alone on the streets.  You can try it but you will not feel safe.  I am sure some of the PI expats will disagree with me but I choose Thailand because of safety .  Also Vietnam and Cambodia would be higher up on the list than PI .

 

I agree with you, but I have not been there for a while. Maybe the PI has gotten safer?

[Ulysses G.]

46 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Just search for numbers of foreign deaths, forget the reported reasons for the deaths, and the answer becomes clear.

Thailand 20x more dangerous than Europe.

If you mean the Philippines, Thailand probably has MANY more tourists. Statistics can be deceiving.

Edited November 13, 2017 by Ulysses G.

[baneko]

False impression of safety ....... I've never heard of Filipinos gang kicking tourists, seen plenty of stories of it in Thailand.
I've also had plenty of beggars come into Thai bars with their hands out, armed security don't allow that in PI.
 
Most of the dangers I've encountered in either country are thuggish foreigners looking for a fight.
The locals have always been friendly (and in PI polite).
 

That probably depends where you decide to stay in Thailand. No beggars or gangs where I live.

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[MaeJoMTB]

1 hour ago, baneko said:

That probably depends where you decide to stay in Thailand. No beggars or gangs where I live.

 

In rural Thailand the beggars are usually your (pretend) family and neighbors. 

In CM Hom Coffee this  morning, 3 beggars in 1 hour, 1 flowers, 1 snacks and 1 wanting something else.

Edited November 13, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[baneko]

In rural Thailand the beggars are your family and neighbors. 
In CM Hom Coffee this  morning, 3 beggars in 1 hour, 1 flowers, 1 snacks and 1 wanting something else.

You must have got unlucky with your family and neighbours. Im in Chonburi an hr from the airport rural but central. Suppose its your choice to live in CM.

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[balo]

4 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

5 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Just search for numbers of foreign deaths, forget the reported reasons for the deaths, and the answer becomes clear.

Thailand 20x more dangerous than Europe.

If you mean the Philippines, Thailand probably has MANY more tourists. Statistics can be deceiving.

 

 

Exactly , you can't compare the two. 

 

MaeJoMTB seem to have some sort of agenda to tell the world Thailand is the worst place in SE-Asia. 

I have lived in Chiang Mai for a year , never saw anything of what he describes , only friendly locals .  Yes killings happens anywhere but much safer in CM than in several parts of PI . 

 

 

 

[MaeJoMTB]

4 hours ago, balo said:

MaeJoMTB seem to have some sort of agenda to tell the world Thailand is the worst place in SE-Asia. 

I have lived in Chiang Mai for a year , never saw anything of what he describes , only friendly locals .  Yes killings happens anywhere but much safer in CM than in several parts of PI . 

 

I have lived in CM nearly 10 years, people I have met, 1 balcony jump (ladyboy in room), 2 fell in shower, 1 hit and run, 2 liver failure, 2 cancer, 1 dead in bed, 1 vegetable after rta, 1 crippled after rta (with gf). These were people aged  40-70 mostly in the mid to younger age. Compared to my previous 10 years in the UK, 1 from heart attack.

That's a massive death rate in CM.

 

I do have an agenda, that agenda is telling the truth.

Can't stand old men lying to themselves along with everyone else.

Yes, we all came here because we could no longer score a woman in our home country.

Yes, she does sleep with us because she wants our money, and no other reason.

Yes, it is a dangerous place but we'd rather risk death than endure forced celibacy.  

 

And Thailand, particularly CM, was great 10 years back, way better than PI, but now that has reversed.

Is it the worst place in Asia? Hardly, can't stand Laos (dull), Cambodia (dangerous), Burma (dull), Malaysia (really dull). Never been to Vietnam.  

As for friendly locals, never met any, they just smile because they want money, if you could speak Thai, you would know that.

 

Edited November 13, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[balo]

You sound like a bitter old man .

[MaeJoMTB]

1 minute ago, balo said:

You sound like a bitter old man .

and you sound like an old fool, so I've put you on 'ignore'.

Edited November 13, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[baneko]

Not all of us were old men who could not get a woman back home. I came aged 34 when I binned my GF.

I would be avioding you like the plague if I lived in CM. You sound like a dangerous person to know. ?

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[HooHaa]

On 11/3/2017 at 8:27 AM, pgrahmm said:

Many years in many areas pf both - none in the "seedy" areas.....The Philippines is a "ripe sh!t hole" per my last friend that visited there - and he's right.....

Beggars are everywhere knocking on your vehicle at stop lights.....Gangs of kids 4-11 are patrolling the streets......Women are afraid to go out unaccompanied - literally no women drivers, they hire security of they own their own cars.....Hospitals are unfit, dirty, and overflowing.....Thieves of opportunity everywhere.....Hostile mano on mano drivers.....Tryke drivers with suicidal tendencies.....The 3 tier government/anti government (basically country wide militia type organized crime - thugs for rent)/and local "face" - for show government.....Taxi drivers afraid to take foreigners......The food stinks as does their habitual cleanliness.....Small houses with 10-15-20 people....

My ex has a bedroom with 2 30' closets & could fit 4 kingsize beds - the rest of the house is just as spectacular.......

I am a part of a wealthy family there....We travelled with our own drivers, cooks, nannies, security = they live very well there......And they are all planning on moving to Thailand now that they've visited me here....

 

If you spend the time driving around observing the conditions (including the expats it draws) & get to know the place it is not a good/quality/healthy place to be.....No checks & balances like here - people disappear......

 

Mix in the fact that many cannot communicate if outside their dialect area which compounds - codifies the independent (away from the 3 tiers) crime affiliations/boundaries it's a perplexing place......

 

There are many nice people there....

 

Unless a family event takes place there I'd have to attend I won't go back.....It is really a 3rd world country or worse......

 

And that's the glossy version......

 

i am by no means a lover of the flops, but after 3 years with it as my main base, i would have to say that this is somewhat off the mark, if the poster is indeed not living in a "seedy" area then his post is rife with hyperbole.

Living in BGC, it is one of the cleanest places i have lived, roughly equivalent to singapore id say.

 

Excellent hospital etc.

however once past the boundaries of this oasis, many of the points above become true.

food is awful, streets are dangerous, locals can be hostile outside of their service roles.

 

poverty is rife, begging is out of control, neighborhood are dirty, unclean crowded.

 

oh and christmas decorations appear the minute the months begin ending in 'ber.

i look forward to my thailand moments, its like stepping into a warm comforting bath.




 

 

[theguyfromanotherforum]

11 minutes ago, balo said:

You sound like a bitter old man .

 

Ok, so from now on every time some old fool starts to harp about life being great in Chiang Mai comparing to back home (and we all know that for some reason people who live in CM seem to be extremely delusional) I'll call them - a bitter old fool.

 

For one I appreciate reading about Philippines....I've never been there. If the country is improving comparing to Thailand I'd also appreciate knowing about that fact.

 

Why does it bother you if he is projecting his experiences and likes the Filipinz  better?

 

 

[Naam]

31 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

1. Yes, we all came here because we could no longer score a woman in our home country.

2. Yes, she does sleep with us because she wants our money, and no other reason.

1. no! i brought my own woman when moving to Thailand.

2. no! her financial assets are up to the last copper penny the same as mine.

 

 

 

[theguyfromanotherforum]

5 minutes ago, baneko said:

Not all of us were old men who could not get a woman back home. I came aged 34 when I binned my GF.


 

 

The fact that you would even mention this shows extreme lack of confidence and the gf that you "binned" was most likely a 300 pound gorilla.

 

People come to Thailand in their 20s because they can't get laid "back home". Save your boasts for another forum.

[baneko]

 
The fact that you would even mention this shows extreme lack of confidence and the gf that you "binned" was most likely a 300 pound gorilla.
 
People come to Thailand in their 20s because they can't get laid "back home". Save your boasts for another forum.

Gorillas need love too! [emoji2]

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[Gruff]

21 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Ok, so from now on every time some old fool starts to harp about life being great in Chiang Mai comparing to back home (and we all know that for some reason people who live in CM seem to be extremely delusional) I'll call them - a bitter old fool.

 

For one I appreciate reading about Philippines....I've never been there. If the country is improving comparing to Thailand I'd also appreciate knowing about that fact.

 

Why does it bother you if he is projecting his experiences and likes the Filipinz  better?

 

 

It is nice to agree with you and in many ways it is with reluctance that i am spending more times in Phils than Thai. I had a 'love affair' with Thailand for 10 years or more and i am disappointed about the negatives i am starting to see. My purpose is to be purely factual about my observations in both countries and that is also what i want to learn from others. Opinions which are at least backed up with reasoning even if evidence is not possible.

[pgrahmm]

1 hour ago, HooHaa said:

i am by no means a lover of the flops, but after 3 years with it as my main base, i would have to say that this is somewhat off the mark, if the poster is indeed not living in a "seedy" area then his post is rife with hyperbole.

Living in BGC, it is one of the cleanest places i have lived, roughly equivalent to singapore id say.

 

Excellent hospital etc.

however once past the boundaries of this oasis, many of the points above become true.

food is awful, streets are dangerous, locals can be hostile outside of their service roles.

 

poverty is rife, begging is out of control, neighborhood are dirty, unclean crowded.

 

oh and christmas decorations appear the minute the months begin ending in 'ber.

i look forward to my thailand moments, its like stepping into a warm comforting bath.




 

 

It's all a matter of gathered perspective based on experiences.....

I was fortunate enough to know & talk to many people + not really stay in the touristy areas.....

Since I was planning/thinking about retiring there and was connected to an influential family I had leisurely access to knowledgeable people....I found them to be completely candid about there country.....

This included:

Two Judges - (they don't have jury trials there so they wield a lot of power)....They might have been the most candid/relaxed/honest....

Two Mayors of large cities....

Several ranked police officers....

Two village head men.....

Several civic and business leaders.....

A "retired" Captain in the NPA - that was always surrounded by 4-6 well armed bodyguards.....He was very open also.....They kind of play they're Robin Hood but it really a well organised country wide syndicate.....Have a problem & money = problem goes away; but then - you owe a debt....Police & chiefs were scared of them....They were a law unto themselves....

Almost all the "big" people did move with bodyguards - always made me nervous....

As a fact, a few offered me guns to carry as I liked to kick around by myself from time to time....

All of these people were very open to chat and (I believe) honest when I asked questions based on what I saw & asked about as I was already "in"....

Some good, bad, & interesting.....

 

Been to parties that were supposed to include the top 100 families in Luzon in beautiful houses the size of small hotels....Got to meet  & be seated with Mrs Alexander Poe - very nice lady....

 

Besides all of the above I still loved most of the people....But it gave me a perspective that's probably a little different than others in this discussion....I got to peak behind the "curtain" at the layers more than most....

 

Based on those experiences I knew it would difficult for me to live there.....

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[pgrahmm]

Addendum to the above.....

 

I'm from the states.....We're hardwired toward individualism....I didn't didn't like being behind high compound walls....I didn't like if I wanted something they'd send a house boy out to get it - or, if I wanted to drive myself I'd always have 2 house boys tagging along.....I got tired of the lack of options....

 

When I found myself bored enough to throw a baseball against the compound walls & catch it because nothing better to do I knew I'd spent enough time there....

 

As I said, everyone from there that has visited me here have all said they wanted to come to live here....Even the ones that do live here don't want to go back.....

 

For me - I've looked at both, and I'm happy here....

[MaeJoMTB]

1 hour ago, pgrahmm said:

 

I'm from the states.....We're hardwired toward individualism....I didn't didn't like being behind high compound walls....I didn't like if I wanted something they'd send a house boy out to get it - or, if I wanted to drive myself I'd always have 2 house boys tagging along.....I got tired of the lack of options....

I used to stay in an apartment above the lady who owned Baloy Long Beach, she had zero security and 2 middle aged maids. You could walk/swim/wade into her unlocked home from the beach starting at any point in Barretto, I often did.

There are wealthy paranoid people living in walled compounds all over the world, plenty in LA. 

That doesn't mean their fear is  real, or their country is dangerous.

Edited November 13, 2017 by MaeJoMTB