Britain agrees to set EU 'Exit Day' in law

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

On 11/11/2017 at 4:18 AM, nontabury said:

This is the second post in which you suggest that I listen to people in the pub. Well sorry to burst your bubble, but I’ve never visited a pub in Grimsby in my whole life.

Then where and how did you manage to talk to the entire population of Grimsby? 

 

Or was your comment

On 10/11/2017 at 1:03 PM, nontabury said:

Visited Grimsby in September, they ALL want out.

typical Brexiteer hyperbole?

 

On 11/11/2017 at 4:18 AM, nontabury said:

Drag yourself away from the computer 7x7, there’s a whole world out there.

Indeed there is; a world I'd prefer the UK to be part of.

 

16 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

  This is far more representive of how the British fishermen feel.

It's representative of how Mike Hookham, a UKIP MEP, feels.

 

No doubt, like his boss Farage, he will be happy to pocket his MEP 'redundancy' money as well as his MEP pension and private health care for him and his family for life; the cost of which will be added to the UK's divorce bill! (British MEPs in line for €6m 'golden goodbye' when UK leaves EU).

 

If he cares so much about the plight of British fishermen there are charities to which he can donate this money; but I very much doubt he cares enough to give up any of his windfall.

 

You earlier disparaged a report from the Grimsby Telegraph as biased and totally unreliable because that paper supported Remain. Surely logic dictates that you must feel the same about any report from a UKIP MEP? 

 

I suspect that you will answer 'No' because you only consider reports and opinions to be biased and unreliable when they disagree with you.!

 

The same, of course, goes for the Express article quoted by Laughing Gravy. If you don't trust one newspaper because it backed one side in the referendum, you cannot trust another for doing the same!

 

But again, as you supported the same side as the Express, you no doubt do not apply the same standard to them as you do to the Grimsby Telegraph.

 

Finally, some facts: Will Britain’s fishermen be better off after Brexit?

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 while the Scottish fishing fleet depends relatively little on non-UK waters, the English fleet traditionally catches its fish in Irish, French and Norwegian, as well as UK, waters. “Retaining access to those waters will be an essential demand for the UK,” he says.

Indeed; it's essentially a quid pro quo situation; you let us fish in your waters and we'll let you fish in ours.

 

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the UK fishing industry depends heavily on exports to the EU, so is vulnerable to tariffs. Britain exported £921m of fish (including £224m salmon) to the EU in 2015, whereas total landings (the amount brought to the UK) were worth £775m. “Countries such as France and Spain would have every incentive to demand high tariffs on fish imports from the UK,” says Mr Lebrecht.

Hmm, seems we export more fish to the EU then we import from them!

 

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UK vessels benefit from rights to fish large quantities of cod in North Norwegian waters that are “paid for” by transfers to Norway of other stocks which are mainly of value to other EU countries.

Again, a huge blow to the British fishing fleet if it can no longer fish in these waters!

 

Of course, as that report comes from the Remain supporting Financial Times you will no doubt simply dismiss it as biased and so totally unreliable!

 

And 7by7 continues to ignore the one voice that is exponentially more important than any other voice on this issue: the British fishing industry . 

[Orac]

 
And 7by7 continues to ignore the one voice that is exponentially more important than any other voice on this issue: the British fishing industry . 

Would that be the one quoted earlier in this thread where Grimsby was first brought up where they are asking for an exemption from Brexit?


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[Khun Han]

12 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

 

Would that be the one quoted earlier in this thread where Grimsby was first brought up where they are asking for an exemption from Brexit?


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No, it was an earlier discussion.

[zydeco]

On 11/10/2017 at 8:14 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

Forgive me, but outside of the EU the UK will be just one more small/medium country with minimal influence.

Like Singapore?

[baansgr]

Its becoming clearer everyday how the EU is really run and that they need UK far more than the UK need them. Greedy little facists trying to get as much as possible for themselves befor the boat sinks.

Its really irrelevant what a few people on here think about the situation and the misinformed rubbish they spout.

UK is leaving the EU for a better future. Even the facist rag Guardian have admitted that more remainers would vote leave now.

[7by7]

18 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

And 7by7 continues to ignore the one voice that is exponentially more important than any other voice on this issue: the British fishing industry . 

Apart from the voices of people working in the British fishing industry I've quoted here and in the other topic you refer to!

 

I try to look at all informed opinions before reaching a judgement; unlike you, Laughing Gravy, nontabury and others, who simply ignore everything with which you disagree.

 

 

[7by7]

9 hours ago, baansgr said:

Even the facist rag Guardian have admitted that more remainers would vote leave now.

 

This must be the first time anyone anywhere has referred to The Guardian as a 'facist (sic) rag!'

 

Except, possibly, by a member or supporter of the Socialist Workers Party, Communist Workers Organisation, Workers Revolutionary Party or similar!

[ilostmypassword]

10 hours ago, baansgr said:

Its becoming clearer everyday how the EU is really run and that they need UK far more than the UK need them. Greedy little facists trying to get as much as possible for themselves befor the boat sinks.

Its really irrelevant what a few people on here think about the situation and the misinformed rubbish they spout.

UK is leaving the EU for a better future. Even the facist rag Guardian have admitted that more remainers would vote leave now.

yes, because a market of almost 500 million people is clearly at a disadvantage against a marketplace of 65 million people. Especially since they are so close to each other.

[Grouse]

11 hours ago, zydeco said:

Like Singapore?

Yes. Totalitarian state, massive inequality, "brave new world". Count me out

[chickenslegs]

57 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

This must be the first time anyone anywhere has referred to The Guardian as a 'facist (sic) rag!'

 

Except, possibly, by a member or supporter of the Socialist Workers Party, Communist Workers Organisation, Workers Revolutionary Party or similar!

The misspelling is rather apt when referring to the Grauniad.

 

Made me smile anyway

[taipeir]

I totally agree Nontabury. Utter Tosh and typical scaremongering.
 
The snippets from todays article says it all really. It wouldn't be a bad thing if people could eat more, cheaper fish than the crap they eat now.
 
In todays paper the exact is stated from the fishing industry.
 
"Long-neglected ports such as Lowestoft, Grimsby and Whitby could be given a new lease of life, along with Cornish coastal towns and seaside resorts such as Scarborough. 
At the moment 60 per cent of Britain’s fishing stock, worth £650million a year, is caught by foreign vessels from the EU."
 
"At a meeting at historic Fishmongers’ Hall in London last week, the National Federation of Fishermen’s Organisations and the Scottish Fishermen’s Federation predicted that reclaiming control of British waters would be one of the “great successes” of Brexit."
 
"The SFF has forecast that the fishing industry could grow by 50 per cent to be worth around £1.2billion a year, triggering an expansion in overall UK economic output and employment worth £2.7billion and 30,000 jobs."
 
"Under the Common Fisheries Policy, EU vessels caught 10 times more fish from our waters than we did in theirs in 2016. 
European fishermen landed 173 times more herring, 45 times more whiting, 16 times more mackerel and 14 times more haddock and cod from our waters, according to research by Dr Ian Napier, of the NAFC Marine Centre in the Shetlands."
 
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/878449/brexit-news-uk-latest-eu-fishing-industry-economy-michael-gove-fish-region

Where do they land the fish now?
Who owns the fish processing companies ?

Why will there be more fish landed in the UK now exactly and why will they be cheaper?



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[tomacht8]

12 hours ago, baansgr said:

Its becoming clearer everyday how the EU is really run and that they need UK far more than the UK need them. Greedy little facists trying to get as much as possible for themselves befor the boat sinks.

Its really irrelevant what a few people on here think about the situation and the misinformed rubbish they spout.

UK is leaving the EU for a better future. Even the facist rag Guardian have admitted that more remainers would vote leave now.

LOL

The 171 UK delegates for more than 40 years were involved in creating the eu dinosaurus and now they are complaining about it.

Sorry but that is stupid.

 

[nausea]

'Labour's Sir Keir Starmer said setting a date in law was a "desperate gimmick" that was "about party management not the national interest". '

BBC

 

Ting!

[Khun Han]

Keir Starmer is an Establishment gimp who has been parachuted into the Labour party by said Establishment to drag Labour into electability should the Tories carry on doing what they are doing. He has a face you wouldn't trust as far as you could throw it: a classic dodgy lawyer.

[Scott]

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[alant]

On 11/10/2017 at 10:38 PM, dunroaming said:

Well leaving the EU is unfortunately the plan.  It is now all about what deals can be done to still get some of the benefits without being part of the EU family.  At the moment it looks like there aren't any benefits from leaving so the negotiators need to pull something out of the bag or we will be very much up the creek.  40% of our exports go to the EU and of course many of our imports come from there.  Without a free trade agreement we  would not only lose a large part of those exports, we would also suffer tariffs on all our EU imports. All this means higher prices, lower pound, less safety nets for the workers, lower economic performance so less money for the NHS and schools.

 

People say that Britain has the fifth largest economy in the world and that is true.  However that is as part of the EU and after Brexit the position is bound to change.

 

Of course Article 50 can easily be reversed as has been announced today by the writer of the article Lord Kerr.  This has sent May into panic mode (again) and is why she is threatening to make the leaving date law.   To add to the misery after another week of talks in Brussels  we are still way off enough headway to move to the next stage.

 

Do you really need to ask?

Since you think it is stupid, tell me if you spend more money than your income every year could you continue that for all time. Would your bank cut you off? Just look at Greece that is posible if you do not adress the simple fact that if your outgoings exceed your income there will be trouble ahead.

Unfortunately many an economist believe you can get round this by issuing bonds thus what is now termed "Quantitative easing" ie printing money which I am sure you know is a major source of currency devaluation.

Is there the chance we will lose some of our exports because the EU tariffs will make them more expensive? Yes of course. The UK government may introduce tariffs on goods from the EU or it may not but the UK is a big market Angela et al will have to deal with the German car makers and their powerful lobby. Does it mean a lower £? it shouldn't but the speculators may well use the opportunity to devalue the currency. That of course will cancel out the effect of the higher export prices due to tariffs so industry could gain back all of its lost market (if it actually loses it which I doubt) so your trade argument would be null and void.

The loss of a safety net is a scare tactic, it is the EU that has prevented the UK from saving industry threatened with economic problems as per the steel production problems of a couple of years ago.

A recent document revealed it was the EU that are blocking negotiations as they are very worried the UK will have a significant trade advantage in a less regulated non protectionist market which is what the EU is now. 

[rockingrobin]

31 minutes ago, alant said:

Since you think it is stupid, tell me if you spend more money than your income every year could you continue that for all time. Would your bank cut you off? Just look at Greece that is posible if you do not adress the simple fact that if your outgoings exceed your income there will be trouble ahead.

Unfortunately many an economist believe you can get round this by issuing bonds thus what is now termed "Quantitative easing" ie printing money which I am sure you know is a major source of currency devaluation.

Is there the chance we will lose some of our exports because the EU tariffs will make them more expensive? Yes of course. The UK government may introduce tariffs on goods from the EU or it may not but the UK is a big market Angela et al will have to deal with the German car makers and their powerful lobby. Does it mean a lower £? it shouldn't but the speculators may well use the opportunity to devalue the currency. That of course will cancel out the effect of the higher export prices due to tariffs so industry could gain back all of its lost market (if it actually loses it which I doubt) so your trade argument would be null and void.

The loss of a safety net is a scare tactic, it is the EU that has prevented the UK from saving industry threatened with economic problems as per the steel production problems of a couple of years ago.

A recent document revealed it was the EU that are blocking negotiations as they are very worried the UK will have a significant trade advantage in a less regulated non protectionist market which is what the EU is now. 

The talk of tariif issues misses the point, In reality tariffs are almost non existent and have very limited affect , unless considered in the realms of countervailing measures , and sector protection.

As explained by the UK car manufacturers giving evidence to the BEIS committee yesterday , the real issue is NTB and TBT

Honda production in the UK imports parts from the EU and Japan, with regards to the EU imports the delay at the ports is minutes, However this is increased to 2/3 days for parts arriving from Japan. They mitigate against this by holding a months worth of stock for parts from Japan than the 1 hour for EU parts. If the delay to parts from EU was similiar to that of Japan it would be very challenging.

Edited November 15, 2017 by rockingrobin

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, alant said:

Since you think it is stupid, tell me if you spend more money than your income every year could you continue that for all time. Would your bank cut you off? Just look at Greece that is posible if you do not adress the simple fact that if your outgoings exceed your income there will be trouble ahead.

Unfortunately many an economist believe you can get round this by issuing bonds thus what is now termed "Quantitative easing" ie printing money which I am sure you know is a major source of currency devaluation.

Is there the chance we will lose some of our exports because the EU tariffs will make them more expensive? Yes of course. The UK government may introduce tariffs on goods from the EU or it may not but the UK is a big market Angela et al will have to deal with the German car makers and their powerful lobby. Does it mean a lower £? it shouldn't but the speculators may well use the opportunity to devalue the currency. That of course will cancel out the effect of the higher export prices due to tariffs so industry could gain back all of its lost market (if it actually loses it which I doubt) so your trade argument would be null and void.

The loss of a safety net is a scare tactic, it is the EU that has prevented the UK from saving industry threatened with economic problems as per the steel production problems of a couple of years ago.

A recent document revealed it was the EU that are blocking negotiations as they are very worried the UK will have a significant trade advantage in a less regulated non protectionist market which is what the EU is now. 

 

Interesting that certain other "senior" EU member states have ignored EU rules to ensure their threatened industries remain.

One of the many problems within the EU is the blatant hypocrisy of certain members who want to make the rules for all others but only apply them selectively to themselves.

 

And some people wonder why their exit bill / settlement figures can't be trusted at face value.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2017 by Baerboxer

[taipeir]

 

Interesting that certain other "senior" EU member states have ignored EU rules to ensure their threatened industries remain.

One of the many problems within the EU is the blatant hypocrisy of certain members who want to make the rules for all others but only apply them selectively to themselves.

 

And some people wonder why their exit bill / settlement figures can't be trusted at face value.

 

 

Examples?

 

You are surely aware that the UK had the most opt outs of all EU countries right ?

 

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