Poor really are getting poorer in Thailand

[Cletus]

 

This is happening not only in Thailand but also, I'd better say especially, in Europe, America etc.

At least here everybody has got a job, unemployment is only for those who don't want to work.

Ok salaries are low, but most of them can have a decent (for their standards) life with that small money.

[Dave67]

4 minutes ago, blackcab said:

 

I do agree with you, but like I said previously, "I do think a significant percentage of those people in poverty could find work if they chose to."

 

Even 10 per cent of that number is over half a million more economically active citizens.

You sound like Thacher or Tebbit total contempt for the working class

Edited November 19, 2017 by Dave67

[blackcab]

8 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

What a total load of bull shit. The rich employer's rates of pay are similar to slavery hence they encourage mass immigration

 

Why would anyone choose to immigrate into slavery?

 

As I mentioned in a previous post, I really don't think large pay rises are going to happen, and that's not just the fault of employers.

 

Regional pay rates do affect things too. There's not much point paying factory workers 600 baht a day if lots of the factories move to Vietnam.

[Dave67]

2 minutes ago, Cletus said:

 

This is happening not only in Thailand but also, I'd better say especially, in Europe, America etc.

At least here everybody has got a job, unemployment is only for those who don't want to work.

Ok salaries are low, but most of them can have a decent (for their standards) life with that small money.

Rubbish  

[blackcab]

5 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

Why do think all over the world richer countries employ people from poorer countries leaving the unskilled uneducated with nothing, I've seen it every country I've working in Asia.

 

Because the citizens of the richer countries either don't want to do the job or they want more money to do the same job than someone from another country, both of which leave a gap in the work force.

 

Thailand doesn't have to let immigrants do this type of work. In fact the Labour law is specifically relaxed for citizens of neighbouring countries. Why did the Thai government do that?

[Dave67]

1 minute ago, blackcab said:

 

Why would anyone choose to immigrate into slavery?

 

As I mentioned in a previous post, I really don't think large pay rises are going to happen, and that's not just the fault of employers.

 

Regional pay rates do affect things too. There's not much point paying factory workers 600 baht a day if lots of the factories move to Vietnam.

Because their countries are worse than the ones the work in. Happens everwhere

[Dave67]

1 hour ago, blackcab said:

 

Because the citizens of the richer countries either don't want to do the job or they want more money to do the same job than someone from another country, both of which leave a gap in the work force.

 

Thailand doesn't have to let immigrants do this type of work. In fact the Labour law is specifically relaxed for citizens of neighbouring countries. Why did the Thai government do that?

To get more for less <Deleted> , 

Edited November 19, 2017 by metisdead
Profane acronym removed. Continue to post in this nature and your posts will simply disappear.

[blackcab]

1 minute ago, Dave67 said:

Because their countries are worse than the ones the work in. Happens everwhere

 

So if Thailand has the highest number of immigrant workers in the region then it can't be that bad, surely?

[Dave67]

1 minute ago, blackcab said:

 

So if Thailand has the highest number of immigrant workers in the region then it can't be that bad, surely?

Well it obviously is for the poor not for the rich

Edited November 19, 2017 by Dave67

[Cletus]

9 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

Rubbish  

you are rubbish.

[Dave67]

11 minutes ago, Cletus said:

you are rubbish.

I'd say you are with your 25% like rate

Edited November 19, 2017 by Dave67

[blackcab]

1 hour ago, Dave67 said:

To get more for less <Deleted> , 

 

Or was it to help sustain the building of new condos, hotels, factories, etc.

 

All of which create jobs for Thai people, taxes and economic wealth.

 

You seem to be viewing things at the micro level of the worker -v- the employer.

 

There are often much bigger, macro decisions to consider, especially in a developing country.

[blackcab]

3 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

Well it obviously is for the poor not for the rich

 

How do immigrants negatively affect the poor people we have been discussing?

 

These poor people either can't work or choose not to. The immigrants aren't exactly taking their jobs, are they?

[Srikcir]

54 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

 

Someone should wonder how these people got rich? Just take it from the poor..

 

 The counties with the most billionaires in 1996 were: 1) the United States (129); 2) Germany (53); 3) Japan (37); 4) Hong Kong (14); 5) Thailand (12); 6) France (11) and 7) Mexico and Indonesia (10 each). By 2013, Thailand wasn’t even in the top 25. It ranked 10th in Asia, tied with Singapore, with 10 billionaires.

 

http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Thailand/sub5_8c/entry-3229.html

When I use number of billionaires per capita based on the 1996 World Census, Singapore ranks #1 with Hong Kong close behind at #2; US and Indonesia tie at #4; Thailand at #7.

For 2017 Hong Kong ranks #1; Singapore #2; US #3; Thailand #6; Indonesia #9.

One might say higher ranks for US and Thailand might represent greater income inequality.

[Happyman58]

2 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

I know quite a lot of Thais who'd love to make 10 K a month, but there's nothing even close to find a job.

 

  Two relatives go working in Bangkok to be able to pay their school fees, after daddy can't work anymore after an accident and mom left.

 Are they bloody Thai because you say so? 

P.S. they don't work at bars..

 

  I had the good luck to have had relatively rich parents, but I'd never blame THE Thais. 

 

 

You want a job?

You totally missed the point    When u see people in there 30s and 40 s  looking through rubbish bins and there i s a sign across the road looking for waitstaff (Not a bar) and you see the sign what would u do? They chose to keep looking through rubbish bins then apply for the job In 3 months we have not had 1 application This waitstaff job pays more than 10k per month and they get fed also So were are all these Thais who would love to have the 10 k job?

[jenny2017]

12 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

You want a job?

You totally missed the point    When u see people in there 30s and 40 s  looking through rubbish bins and there i s a sign across the road looking for waitstaff (Not a bar) and you see the sign what would u do? They chose to keep looking through rubbish bins then apply for the job In 3 months we have not had 1 application This waitstaff job pays more than 10k per month and they get fed also So were are all these Thais who would love to have the 10 k job?

My post was more about people in rural areas of the northeast. 

[Dave67]

9 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

You want a job?

You totally missed the point    When u see people in there 30s and 40 s  looking through rubbish bins and there i s a sign across the road looking for waitstaff (Not a bar) and you see the sign what would u do? They chose to keep looking through rubbish bins then apply for the job In 3 months we have not had 1 application This waitstaff job pays more than 10k per month and they get fed also So were are all these Thais who would love to have the 10 k job?

Would anyone give someone a job in a restaurant if they were covered in shit and foul smelling, or should they pop home and have a shower and put on their new suit an apply for a job?

[Thongkorn]

6 hours ago, KiChakayan said:

You can see it in Pattaya though, go to soi 6.. Many there have smartphones, a conduit out of poverty...

Exactly Pattaya is not the real Thailand its a Toilet of corrupt  people along with sex tourist, Most Thai people would not be seen dead there, Get out into the real thailand say Sahmut Prakan or Sahmut Sarkon , These are Industrial areas,  You will see people working for 300baht a day,  Not the  Imaginary 400baht, I know because i have a Daughter In Law who works there , its take it or leave it, Most Tourists spend more on a Bar bill than these people earn in a day, food prices are going up especially rice,

Edited November 19, 2017 by Thongkorn

[blackcab]

19 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

Would anyone give someone a job in a restaurant if they were covered in shit and foul smelling, or should they pop home and have a shower and put on their new suit an apply for a job?

 

I don't quite get Dave's point. Can anyone explain his post to me please?

 

I can't ask him myself because he ignored me.

 

Please do not start your post, "Blackcab said..."

[pornprong]

37 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

You want a job?

You totally missed the point    When u see people in there 30s and 40 s  looking through rubbish bins and there i s a sign across the road looking for waitstaff (Not a bar) and you see the sign what would u do? They chose to keep looking through rubbish bins then apply for the job In 3 months we have not had 1 application This waitstaff job pays more than 10k per month and they get fed also So were are all these Thais who would love to have the 10 k job?

Thais are very discriminatory in their employment processes.

It is very hard for those outside the system to get into the system, even into lowly positions and once you reach a certain age your employment prospects drop to zero.

[Thongkorn]

1 minute ago, pornprong said:

Thais are very discriminatory in their employment processes.

It is very hard for those outside the system to get into the system, even into lowly positions and once you reach a certain age your employment prospects drop to zero.

 Agree My wife was told she was to old at 33 to be employed selling phones in Thailand. also remember mental health in Thailand is non existent. Families just turn out people with mental health issues leaving them to fend for themselves. They ahve to resort to scavenging to live, Not all are Alcoholics,

[metisdead]

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[Bob12345]

37 minutes ago, blackcab said:

 

You make excellent points and I completely agree with you.

 

What you didn't mention is that the internet holds an unimaginable quantity of knowledge and resources. Many people can access the internet in Thailand, even if they use a friend's internet or the free WiFi outside a coffee shop/guest house, etc.

 

With all of this knowledge available, where are the digital entrepreneurs, the ingenious little micro businesses, tiny start-up service businesses, etc.

 

These things could be happening and I could well be missing them.

 

Am I?

Good question.

 

I think these businesses are there but their profits are too small and opportunities too limited to get 6 million people out of poorness.

 

Every Thai starts a business at some point, but few have a noval idea. Most just copy their neighbor and open noodle stall number 6.

[coulson]

13 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Some 5.81 million people lived in poverty last year, defined as having an income below Bt2,920 per month

This doesn't make any sense for a country with 1% unemployment and a minimum wage of 300 baht per day......yet still depend on Myanmar and Cambodia for cheap labor.

 

Where are the facts?

[simoh1490]

1 minute ago, Bob12345 said:

Good question.

 

I think these businesses are there but their profits are too small and opportunities too limited to get 6 million people out of poorness.

 

Every Thai starts a business at some point, but few have a noval idea. Most just copy their neighbor and open noodle stall number 6.

The other problem is of course that most Thai's are only interested in profit now, future value and ROI.ROCE are foreign concepts to most - that short-termism defeats the potential to establish a lucrative business. Thailand is rife with established product gaps yet products can't be imported cost effectively and the population is not sufficiently motivated, nor educated or travelled, to begin to make those things themselves, not to a quality standard. 

 

All of the above is, however, changing, albeit very slowly.

[djayz]

The same can be said for any country. 

 

[mommysboy]

None of the postings so far countenances the notion that the great capitalist dream - every one a winner- could very well be ending as we know it!  In countries like UK, USA it relied on growing debt, rabid consumption with environmental impact, and ever increasing population base.  As we are now seeing, for someone to be very rich it is also necessary for thousands of others to not to be.

[sirineou]

 The gap between the poor and the rich will only increase for the following reason;

the return on labor increases at inflation rate  at best where than the return on Investment increases at a higher rate. 

So it stands to reason that the two classes will further diverge.

Using the rule of 70 (google it) an investment returning 7% will double in 10 years  where labor........

 

[amvet]

14 hours ago, ezzra said:

This figure represent less than 10% of the population, almost every Thai 

person owns a smartphone, a motorcycle or and a piece of gold ornaments,

most Thais now days will scoff at a minimum wage days work, a young guard

girl with no formal education get over 10,000 baht a month at our condo,

Thai people get fat and drink a lot, and travel overseas frequently, 

however, there's a serious issue with the elderly and the disabled who

has to do with a peanuts for living and something clearly has to be done there....

 

Thailand smart phone usage 27,628,000 40%  April 2017

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_smartphone_penetration

[simoh1490]

24 minutes ago, amvet said:

 

Thailand smart phone usage 27,628,000 40%  April 2017

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_smartphone_penetration

It may not be so but I doubt that data is reliable.