You are Going to Die – Are You Ready

[soalbundy]

4 minutes ago, giddyup said:

 That makes sense.

It does if you have involved yourself in spiritual teachings. He said basically the same as Parsons, "I don't have a 'me', I am one with everything".

[giddyup]

39 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

It does if you have involved yourself in spiritual teachings. He said basically the same as Parsons, "I don't have a 'me', I am one with everything".

If Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young is spiritual, but I believe Joni Mitchell actually wrote the song.

 

We are stardust, we are golden
We are billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

Edited February 27, 2018 by giddyup

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

If Crosby, Still Nash and Young is spiritual.

 

We are stardust, we are golden
We are billion year old carbon
And we got to get ourselves back to the garden

don't know about the garden bit but the rest is known fact, except of course carbon can be further reduced to atoms which are themselves made up of quacks and co. ie simply vibrating energy. Matter is energy nothing else, It is what you are so you cant show anyone a 'me' or a mind, the source of consciousness has never been found in the brain and it never will be if consciousness is non local.

[giddyup]

10 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

don't know about the garden

Back to nature.

[soalbundy]

16 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Back to nature.

We are nature. We were obviously predestined to have a 'me', illusory as it may be, by reason of evolution, it obviously helped our survival as a species but the same 'me' carries now the seeds of our destruction. The 'me' needed at first only a family for the protection of the entity that had identified itself as dual, separate, then a tribe, then a nation with millions of 'me's' competing with millions of other 'me's' in other nations, no wholeness, no oneness with the one consciousness which we all share, just competitive hate holding an atomic bomb and destructive waste management ruining the basis for our survival, the primitive peoples had more respect. That would be what you mean with back to nature, too late, we have a 'me'.

Edited February 27, 2018 by soalbundy

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 4:17 PM, seancbk said:

 

'Free' electricity ie the charge holding atomic particles together has no function for storing memories in itself.    It is merely the energy that keeps memories alive in a structure that can hold them. 

The same as a computer memory chip is powered by those free flowing electrons but once the current is removed the 'memory' ceases to exist.

Dissipating your remaining electrical energy into the ground and atmosphere once the ability to generate a constant flow of energy within your body wouldn't transfer your memories to a different mode of support, as there isn't one.    It might one day be possible to transfer the energy into a fresh body, but I believe that is a long way off.   More likely is we figure out how to copy it to a computer.

Either way that would not constitute heaven or hell.   No matter how many evil thoughts and actions I have, it isn't going to result in an eternity of discomfort.   

Death is like sleep without dreams and without waking up.    Every time you switch off for the night you are accepting that you might not wake up, therefore you are accepting death without much fuss.

Strange really that people make so much fuss about dying yet if they didn't wake from sleep they wouldn't even be aware they'd died.



 

Dissipating your remaining electrical energy into the ground and atmosphere once the ability to generate a constant flow of energy within your body wouldn't transfer your memories to a different mode of support, as there isn't one. 

and you know that because..................................

How do you know your memories are not transferred to some mode of support that science isn't aware of?

 

Death is like sleep without dreams and without waking up.

Been dead, have you?

 

Our science is still at the baby steps stage, and we know sod all of what there is yet to know.

Scientists actually think ''life" can only exist on planets similar to our own, which is about as arrogant as it is possible to be.

Edited March 3, 2018 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 4:56 PM, giddyup said:

It's the concept of never waking up and no longer having a conscious "self" that's frightening, as inevitable as it might be.

I'd be happier if I knew for sure that when I died I ceased to exist, as the church did a great job of brainwashing me when I was young.

 

[Once Bitten]

As some one who is getting on in years and in my late sixties , I like to read the posts and comments in the forums health and medicine section , especially the comments and experiences about medical issues relating to retirement and old age .

 

When I first started to read those comments I found the information and advice illuminating and informative . But slowly over time all those medical issues related to old age started to become some what frighting and alarming.

I know that you should learn from other peoples experiences and do what you can to try and avoid them . Like many posters here I try to eat sensibly and exercise daily .  

 

But reading these continuing age related medical issues that other forum members have experienced has only made me think of whats to come , like a medical Sword of Damocles hanging directly over my head waiting to drop. 

Yes we can if we want take out private medical insurance or self insure , yes we can try and look after our aging body's to the best of our ability . But what about our minds and our mental state , how do I find an antidote that will stop the little voice in side my head from constantly saying , its going to be your turn soon , your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

Some of my friends in the same age bracket as my self seem to,  with the help their continuing alcoholic antidote  be far less concerned about their mortality and medical issues to come. 

So what antidote do use to ease your mind or if your like me , silence that little nagging voice in side your head that keeps reminding you , that its only a matter of time before your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[giddyup]

12 minutes ago, Once Bitten said:

 

So what antidote do use to ease your mind or if your like me , silence that little nagging voice in side your head that keeps reminding you , that its only a matter of time before your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

 

Acceptance.

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, Once Bitten said:

As some one who is getting on in years and in my late sixties , I like to read the posts and comments in the forums health and medicine section , especially the comments and experiences about medical issues relating to retirement and old age .

 

When I first started to read those comments I found the information and advice illuminating and informative . But slowly over time all those medical issues related to old age started to become some what frighting and alarming.

I know that you should learn from other peoples experiences and do what you can to try and avoid them . Like many posters here I try to eat sensibly and exercise daily .  

 

But reading these continuing age related medical issues that other forum members have experienced has only made me think of whats to come , like a medical Sword of Damocles hanging directly over my head waiting to drop. 

Yes we can if we want take out private medical insurance or self insure , yes we can try and look after our aging body's to the best of our ability . But what about our minds and our mental state , how do I find an antidote that will stop the little voice in side my head from constantly saying , its going to be your turn soon , your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

Some of my friends in the same age bracket as my self seem to,  with the help their continuing alcoholic antidote  be far less concerned about their mortality and medical issues to come. 

So what antidote do use to ease your mind or if your like me , silence that little nagging voice in side your head that keeps reminding you , that its only a matter of time before your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everything that has ever lived has died. Before you were born you didn't exist as this manifestation of consciousness, as a different form of manifestation perhaps or just as pure consciousness which is everyone's true essence, the transient body with its story of 'me' that you haul around with you is only important to the illusory 'me'. It is said that in the moments before death the ego dies first as the mind gives up the illusion of 'me' before it too dies and consciousness is released back to its source (but not as 'me') having lost its confusion with the illusion and realizes its true potential, timeless unlimited power as one with everything.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, Once Bitten said:

As some one who is getting on in years and in my late sixties , I like to read the posts and comments in the forums health and medicine section , especially the comments and experiences about medical issues relating to retirement and old age .

 

When I first started to read those comments I found the information and advice illuminating and informative . But slowly over time all those medical issues related to old age started to become some what frighting and alarming.

I know that you should learn from other peoples experiences and do what you can to try and avoid them . Like many posters here I try to eat sensibly and exercise daily .  

 

But reading these continuing age related medical issues that other forum members have experienced has only made me think of whats to come , like a medical Sword of Damocles hanging directly over my head waiting to drop. 

Yes we can if we want take out private medical insurance or self insure , yes we can try and look after our aging body's to the best of our ability . But what about our minds and our mental state , how do I find an antidote that will stop the little voice in side my head from constantly saying , its going to be your turn soon , your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

Some of my friends in the same age bracket as my self seem to,  with the help their continuing alcoholic antidote  be far less concerned about their mortality and medical issues to come. 

So what antidote do use to ease your mind or if your like me , silence that little nagging voice in side your head that keeps reminding you , that its only a matter of time before your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what antidote do use to ease your mind or if your like me , silence that little nagging voice in side your head that keeps reminding you , that its only a matter of time before your going to become sick and its only going to get worse. 

 

I go on TVF and post a lot, or I watch too much tv/ DVDs.

The electronic medium cancels out self thought.

Basically, keep busy doing something that stops you thinking about your situation.

I find the nights the worst, when I'm all alone in my room. In the past I'd have gone to the bars, but I guess they just aren't as much fun for me now as in the past.

 

Whatever, it's usually not a good idea to listen to "Wildfire" ( by Micheal Murphy ) or almost anything by Chris De Burgh while looking at photos of when you were younger and having a good time.

[thaibeachlovers]

It's not so much the concept of "death" that saddens me, it's knowing that either I'm going to eke out years of decrepitude before a merciful end, or that I'll die before I'm ready with loads of money still in the bank.

If voluntary euthanasia was legal, I'd go out and spend it all having a legendary time, then after it was all gone I'd take the pill and bye bye cruel world.

Happy is the man that knows the time of his passing.

[totally thaied up]

Recently, I got sick. Very sick in fact and was in hospital. My mortality was brought straight to the forefront front of it all. You know, looking at ICU and the machine that goes 'beep'. You know that doctors serious look; ''You may have had a heart attack'' I was told but in the end, it was bacterial pneumonia and will all my other problems, I was told it was ''not good''.

 

Get the picture. 

 

I practice meditation, and my beliefs are maybe different to everyone (I am not religious). I believe now the world moves on and I will just go back into it all, as it has for billions of years. From my last post here a few months back, my thoughts have changed. I have changed. I have been on death's door a few times before but I forgot what came with it all as it was such a long time back.

 

I was not ready for death, and it scared me even with my mediation and my belief set.

 

I am only 48.

 

I now busy myself every day. Ride the motorbike when well I am well enough; watch the TV shows I love, eat good food that is healthy for me and exercise to what degree I can. I am seriously ill, but I try to make each day matter.

 

I try to keep VERY busy.

 

Death is more on my mind, but I do what I need to do to keep healthy. See a skin specialist every six months. Blood tests twice a year. Get scoped every four years (gastroscopy and colon) and scans of chest and stomach every five years. My family is full of cancer, so I have to proactive.

 

Death is coming to all of us, and I don't think any of us are going to be fully prepared for this at any stage of our life.

 

I know I am not. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, totally thaied up said:

Recently, I got sick. Very sick in fact and was in hospital. My mortality was brought straight to the forefront front of it all. You know, looking at ICU and the machine that goes 'beep'. You know that doctors serious look; ''You may have had a heart attack'' I was told but in the end, it was bacterial pneumonia and will all my other problems, I was told it was ''not good''.

 

Get the picture. 

 

I practice meditation, and my beliefs are maybe different to everyone (I am not religious). I believe now the world moves on and I will just go back into it all, as it has for billions of years. From my last post here a few months back, my thoughts have changed. I have changed. I have been on death's door a few times before but I forgot what came with it all as it was such a long time back.

 

I was not ready for death, and it scared me even with my mediation and my belief set.

 

I am only 48.

 

I now busy myself every day. Ride the motorbike when well I am well enough; watch the TV shows I love, eat good food that is healthy for me and exercise to what degree I can. I am seriously ill, but I try to make each day matter.

 

I try to keep VERY busy.

 

Death is more on my mind, but I do what I need to do to keep healthy. See a skin specialist every six months. Blood tests twice a year. Get scoped every four years (gastroscopy and colon) and scans of chest and stomach every five years. My family is full of cancer, so I have to proactive.

 

Death is coming to all of us, and I don't think any of us are going to be fully prepared for this at any stage of our life.

 

I know I am not. 

While few of us can be emotionally prepared, there are things we should do, as any of us can die in an RTA or plane crash, never mind stroke or heart attack.

Make a will

make a power of attorney with a trusted person

put important documents together in a safe place

write a list about ourselves so if we end up comatose or paralyzed people know our medical history

make sure that friends/ relatives know if we want to be resuscitated, or not, and what to do with our body if we die

keep an emergency fund handy so a partner/ wife doesn't have to wait till will is finalised to have some funds

write down addresses and e mails etc so those people can be contacted if we are gone.

etc.

 

That's just a short list of the things that can be done. Others can be included.

I asked my mother to write about her life, which was really good to read after she passed. IMO anyone with children should do that.

[Once Bitten]

This getting old curse seems to have taken another turn . I'm a fan of old British films produced at the Ealing Studios in London . After recently watching one of these old films about half way through I had a disturbing thought pop into my mind , every one on the TV screen was now dead , I'm watching actors who no longer exist . That thought I had in its self made and still makes me feel a bit morbid.

After feeling down I turned off the TV and turned on my computer to check whats going on in the out side world only to be presented with the news that yet another aging celebrity had just passed away .

There below the news about the now deceased celebrity was an article about the star wars film , The Last Jedi . I could not believe how old Mark Hamill now looks ( Luke Skywalker) 

So with in a couple of hours I had come to realize that watching old films containing all dead actors or finding out that yet another aging star is now dead or seeing a once hansom young person now look  like an old man , is not some thing that fills me with hope about my future 

 

 

--

[billd766]

7 minutes ago, Once Bitten said:

This getting old curse seems to have taken another turn . I'm a fan of old British films produced at the Ealing Studios in London . After recently watching one of these old films about half way through I had a disturbing thought pop into my mind , every one on the TV screen was now dead , I'm watching actors who no longer exist . That thought I had in its self made and still makes me feel a bit morbid.

After feeling down I turned off the TV and turned on my computer to check whats going on in the out side world only to be presented with the news that yet another aging celebrity had just passed away .

There below the news about the now deceased celebrity was an article about the star wars film , The Last Jedi . I could not believe how old Mark Hamill now looks ( Luke Skywalker) 

So with in a couple of hours I had come to realize that watching old films containing all dead actors or finding out that yet another aging star is now dead or seeing a once hansom young person now look  like an old man , is not some thing that fills me with hope about my future 

 

 

--

 

It fills me with both sadness and joy.

 

Sadness as the actors have all died and joy because I enjoyed watching the movies and by doing so it takes me to somewhat happier times as I can watch the movies time and again and still enjoy them.

[Ulysses G.]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll die before I'm ready with loads of money still in the bank.

 

That's one worry I don't have - unfortunately.

[akirasan]

8 hours ago, Once Bitten said:

This getting old curse seems to have taken another turn . I'm a fan of old British films produced at the Ealing Studios in London . After recently watching one of these old films about half way through I had a disturbing thought pop into my mind , every one on the TV screen was now dead , I'm watching actors who no longer exist . That thought I had in its self made and still makes me feel a bit morbid.

--

People live on through our memories of them.  

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, akirasan said:

People live on through our memories of them.  

Not much of a consolation, just being a memory.

[bannork]

I understand completely the sadness or melancholy, posters feel at watching old movies and realizing all the actors are now dead. It's the same with music for me- Hendrix, Rory Gallagher, Jerry Garcia,Johnny Winter, Huw Lloyd langton, the list is endless and keeps growing. Prhaps it's easier with music though because the very nature of music, its rhythm, gives one a sense of momentum, of life.

But I think we need to be less self-centred here. When we were in our twenties and life seemed to go on forever, our grandparents were facing what we are now: namely the gradual drawing of the curtains.Whilst we were full of life and its possibilities, they were contemplating the thought of death. It's nothing new, it's part of the life cycle.

It happens to us all, it's the wheel of life. I remember a doctor saying that whilst people feared death, in fact it was a great release/relief in the end. 

Let us remember the great impermanence of life. Trapped or set in time/space dimensions we cannot help but get old, if we are lucky enough to live so long.

And if the pain and/or suffering is too much to bear then I'm going for a cocktail and a peaceful exit.

And who knows what lies beyond the time/ space dimension once we have ceased to live in this world? 

Has Stephen Hawking sent a message since he slipped off? Perhaps we should give him a few more days.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Once Bitten said:

This getting old curse seems to have taken another turn . I'm a fan of old British films produced at the Ealing Studios in London . After recently watching one of these old films about half way through I had a disturbing thought pop into my mind , every one on the TV screen was now dead , I'm watching actors who no longer exist . That thought I had in its self made and still makes me feel a bit morbid.

After feeling down I turned off the TV and turned on my computer to check whats going on in the out side world only to be presented with the news that yet another aging celebrity had just passed away .

There below the news about the now deceased celebrity was an article about the star wars film , The Last Jedi . I could not believe how old Mark Hamill now looks ( Luke Skywalker) 

So with in a couple of hours I had come to realize that watching old films containing all dead actors or finding out that yet another aging star is now dead or seeing a once hansom young person now look  like an old man , is not some thing that fills me with hope about my future 

 

 

--

What's scary for me is realising that all the heroes of my life are either dead or at the age when death is not unexpected.

Even more scary is that many of the important people in the world are younger than me. It's always been that I was looking at older and hopefully wise people in charge, but now a younger lot has taken over. I was actually shocked to discover that Putin is younger than I.

 

The saddest thing, for me, is those of my friends and heroes that died many years ago, well before their time.

 

I could not believe how old Mark Hamill now looks

I can't believe how old many that are years younger than I look. I expect people my age to look old, but to see people 10 years younger looking aged is shocking. Too much stress perhaps?

 

Edited March 19, 2018 by thaibeachlovers

[soalbundy]

Death is one of those rare things that you don't have to be prepared for, it's not a conference at work, it happens all by itself, things happen and you are the space where it happens, perhaps it helps to know you are not in charge and never were. 

[thaibeachlovers]

I don't know what others feel about it, but most of the music I like makes me melancholy when I hear it.

The music I liked when I was young makes me miss those days when I was young and could do anything and had my whole life ahead.

The more recent music that I like, always seems to be melancholy, as though it's sympathising with my not so far off demise, or perhaps that's just because I imbue everything with regret.

 

It's worth bearing in mind though, that had I lived in the 19th century or before, I'd have died long ago, worn out from hard work, or disease. 

I think many of my forebears would happily change places with me.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Death is one of those rare things that you don't have to be prepared for, it's not a conference at work, it happens all by itself, things happen and you are the space where it happens, perhaps it helps to know you are not in charge and never were. 

The thing that scares me about it is precisely because it's not within my control, and I'm worried it'll happen just when something good happens to me, and I don't want to pass over.

Death is inevitable, but it's the uncertainty as to when that is disturbing.

[bannork]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The thing that scares me about it is precisely because it's not within my control, and I'm worried it'll happen just when something good happens to me, and I don't want to pass over.

Death is inevitable, but it's the uncertainty as to when that is disturbing.

It's within your powers to make the time certain.

(only joking)

[soalbundy]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know what others feel about it, but most of the music I like makes me melancholy when I hear it.

The music I liked when I was young makes me miss those days when I was young and could do anything and had my whole life ahead.

The more recent music that I like, always seems to be melancholy, as though it's sympathising with my not so far off demise, or perhaps that's just because I imbue everything with regret.

 

It's worth bearing in mind though, that had I lived in the 19th century or before, I'd have died long ago, worn out from hard work, or disease. 

I think many of my forebears would happily change places with me.

Every age has its benefits, I am nearly 70 and can honestly say that I feel happier now than when I was 30. I read recently an article in 'der Spiegel' that people 70+ tended to be happy and contented despite age related illnesses. It is said that youth is wasted on the young but I feel the era of youth is overrated, to many testosterone fueled interests distract one from what really is. Getting home at 4 in the morning and waiting for the hangover compares badly now where I get up at 4 in the morning and go for a dark walk around the nearby lake sit and muse and wait for the rising sun,watch the reflections in the water and listen to the first bird songs,watch the fish splash in the water and observe the people start to work on their vegetable patches next to the lake, I return home full of joy and a deep sense of being. 

[bannork]

Very true soalbundy. The joy of nature, a small farm or garden in Thailand is immeasurable. Over the years I've watched the various fruit saplings I planted grow into sizeable fruit trees as the whole area around our pond has grown into a green oasis amongst the rice fields, especially at this time of year.

The joys of a warm dawn, the birds and people coming to life, are indeed one of the pleasures of living in Thailand.

And having a loving family, a wife, children and grandchldren. Contentment.

[soalbundy]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The thing that scares me about it is precisely because it's not within my control, and I'm worried it'll happen just when something good happens to me, and I don't want to pass over.

Death is inevitable, but it's the uncertainty as to when that is disturbing.

I hope to be as pleasantly surprised by my death as I was by my birth. Waiting for something is a mistake, it implies a disregard of the present moment but that is all there is, the present moment, the past is gone,the future doesn't exist, the fleeting now is yours,it's all we have,accept it gratefully, not as a stepping stone to another 'better' or more 'fearful' now. 'Being' is what is, the illusary 'me', fearful of its demise will tell you all sorts of stories about fear, about something to resist, don't resist, accept with grace whatever comes,good or bad, it's just the dance of life, where are all your personal disasters from the past now? where are all your triumphs?. smoke and mirrors, trust life,it has kept you well up to now.

[Once Bitten]

One area or I could say reoccurring thought I seem to now be having relates to personal finances and planning ahead for the loved ones I will one day leave behind . 

Recently I was sitting having a cold beer with a retired friend at his home in a near by village , the friend is several years older that my self and has been married to a Thai woman for many years. He like my self has made what arrangements both personal and legal he can for his family .

I happened to mention that my current Apple Mac computer that I purchased from new ( a 2008 27inch iMac ) was playing up and I thought it was on its last legs and will soon be relegated to the cupboard where I keep all my old junk and deceased electronic stuff. 

On hearing the comment about my old iMac , my friend said , Oh well so you will be treating your self to a new Mac then. 

My reply was , Oh I would love a new MacBook pro Its some thing I've dreamed about for a long time but I can't really justify spending that sort of money ( around 75,000 Baht ) on my self . 

 My friend then said with a smile     why not treat your self your only here once.

It was then I came out with a stock answer that Ive been using for some years now, ....... Oh no I would not feel right spending that sort of money on my self when my aim is to make sure that my family will be financially secure after I've passed away.

 

My friend blurted out , your joking right .    But I was not joking and in fact for some years now my main concern has been trying to make sure that my family is looked after once I've departed , even if it means being careful with money and not spending to much on my self while I'm still around .

 

Does any one else have similar feelings when it comes to money and providing for their loved ones or family after they had passed away , even if it means making personal sacrifices now for their future benefit. 
 

[soalbundy]

7 minutes ago, Once Bitten said:

One area or I could say reoccurring thought I seem to now be having relates to personal finances and planning ahead for the loved ones I will one day leave behind . 

Recently I was sitting having a cold beer with a retired friend at his home in a near by village , the friend is several years older that my self and has been married to a Thai woman for many years. He like my self has made what arrangements both personal and legal he can for his family .

I happened to mention that my current Apple Mac computer that I purchased from new ( a 2008 27inch iMac ) was playing up and I thought it was on its last legs and will soon be relegated to the cupboard where I keep all my old junk and deceased electronic stuff. 

On hearing the comment about my old iMac , my friend said , Oh well so you will be treating your self to a new Mac then. 

My reply was , Oh I would love a new MacBook pro Its some thing I've dreamed about for a long time but I can't really justify spending that sort of money ( around 75,000 Baht ) on my self . 

 My friend then said with a smile     why not treat your self your only here once.

It was then I came out with a stock answer that Ive been using for some years now, ....... Oh no I would not feel right spending that sort of money on my self when my aim is to make sure that my family will be financially secure after I've passed away.

 

My friend blurted out , your joking right .    But I was not joking and in fact for some years now my main concern has been trying to make sure that my family is looked after once I've departed , even if it means being careful with money and not spending to much on my self while I'm still around .

 

Does any one else have similar feelings when it comes to money and providing for their loved ones or family after they had passed away , even if it means making personal sacrifices now for their future benefit. 
 

Yes, my biggest outlays are insurances but life is fickle. An example of one not being in control,as I have mentioned here before, my estranged wife caused me damages of 3 million Baht, to pay this I had to use money that I had put away for my sons higher education. There is no 100% safety but one can try within reason however don't forget yourself in the process,your enjoyment,within reason, shouldn't be secondary. I allow myself nothing, not because I am a saint but because I need nothing. The one thing I have learnt here is that Thais always seem to manage no matter what. I would say,without knowing your situation, buy your Mac, it's a simple enough pleasure and can be resold, maybe here on TV.