Srikcir Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: Why, if he died of cardiac arrest as they claim? Because the body was allowed for autopsy? Better for the body to be quickly cremated without autopsy. Wouldn't be the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Celery Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jollyhangmon said: Yeah, I thought so. By 'missing' couple of organs - or have the family traveling around hospitals to pick some up - they've put it on a whole new level though ... I wonder what the chances are that the missing organs are those which provide evidence that the army and Mr Piggy are lying. I know it's hard to believe that Thais are not honest but it does sometimes happen (or so I'm told). Edited November 27, 2017 by Sid Celery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 6 hours ago, webfact said: we don’t want to hurt the reputation of the military or the school No fear of that; they can manage perfectly well on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieqw Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Sid Celery said: I wonder what the chances are that the missing organs are those which provide evidence that the army and Mr Piggy are lying. I know it's hard to believe that Thais are not honest but it does sometimes happen (or so I'm told). First you have to believe they are his organs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, Sid Celery said: I wonder what the chances are that the missing organs are those which provide evidence that the army and Mr Piggy are lying. I know it's hard to believe that Thais are not honest but it does sometimes happen (or so I'm told). No doubt. But... Apparently they forgot to remove at least one organ that also seems to confirm they are lying. Incompetent as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 hours ago, helloagain said: Comander of camp must also face charges cos under his watch Because of the "loss of face" factor In Thailand the buck never stops at the top. It always starts at the bottom and that is why some pre-cadet officers were transferred in the hope that the buck would not travel further up the ranks. Usually the trail is well disguised and smothered by irrefutable lies and deliberate destruction of evidence before it can go higher. That is the culture of the Thai military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 What hope that this case and the other 8 deaths of privates in last 8 years will be seriously investigated when the non elected military Prime Minister, deputy and the General in charge of the interior affairs have been evasive and have not made strong enough statement nor suggest a special committee of civilians to probe. I hope the parents will be pursue this vigorously with other human right activists and hope justice and punishment will be served. This military is evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 hours ago, SmartyMarty said: Thailand is a democracy (some of the time) and therefore needs independent reviews on such matters as this. Leaders are there to represent the people, and the people must be heard. Thailand seems to me like a pretend democracy sliding into authoritarianism. Too many cockroaches and scorpions under too many rocks for it to change quickly. Need many more brave voices. Internet is helping expose it. Luckily the Thai people want virtue in their leaders and are growing in boldness and demanding reforms. Go Thailand! You can win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megasin1 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 quelle surprise ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossy Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 22 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: What hope that this case and the other 8 deaths of privates in last 8 years will be seriously investigated when the non elected military Prime Minister, deputy and the General in charge of the interior affairs have been evasive and have not made strong enough statement nor suggest a special committee of civilians to probe. I hope the parents will be pursue this vigorously with other human right activists and hope justice and punishment will be served. This military is evil. Wise words. They could do with a few of you in the next government . . . an elected one, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky mike Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Bastardization gone wrong, the world military has used this for thousands of years as a right of passage. It would be very difficult if not impossible to stop as it is ingrained into the system. It does need some checks and balances so this happens much less if at all. The idea that the military polices itself leaves much to be desired.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I won't go on here. No need it's plain as day. Serving in the army for 7 years. I can assure you this was a severe beating by animals. As soon as l hurd of organ removal I immediately felt only hate for his superiors. This is a cowardly cover up conducted by cowards that in fact are not fitting to wear a uniform. You want to be elected to run the people lol. I laugh every day at you and your crew. I hope the family see justice and I also hope the Thai people see the truth about these cowards. He looked like a great kid. You are a disgraceful person as you were trained to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 29 minutes ago, Lucky mike said: Bastardization gone wrong, the world military has used this for thousands of years as a right of passage. It would be very difficult if not impossible to stop as it is ingrained into the system. It does need some checks and balances so this happens much less if at all. The idea that the military polices itself leaves much to be desired.... They have neither the education or moral fibre to police anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 38 minutes ago, Ossy said: Wise words. They could do with a few of you in the next government . . . an elected one, that is. Thai people must stand and remove these Muppets at a election and also dissolve there so called plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 Organ autopsy shows internal bleeding, Thai army pressured to explain cadet’s death By Coconuts Bangkok Facebook photo of Pakapong Tanyakan (center) and his family. Thailand’s military faces mounting pressure to explain the murky death of a teenage army cadet, whose case has seized national attention after his parents discovered his organs were mysteriously removed from his body. An autopsy performed on the organs revealed haemorrhaging in the young man’s spleen and liver, which could mean the cadet was beaten before he died and could be linked to why the organs were removed, reported Bangkok Post. The army said first-year cadet, Pakapong Tanyakan, died of heart failure on Oct.17 at his army training school outside Bangkok. But his family was skeptical and ordered a second autopsy — only to find their son’s brain, heart, bladder, and stomach were missing. The shocking discovery sparked public outcry and accusations of a cover-up by a military trailed by allegations of beatings and other abuse against young recruits that can turn fatal. The army has continued to deny foul play in Pakapong’s case, saying doctors removed his organs for further inspection and were not required to inform his family, reported AFP Full story: https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/organ-autopsy-shows-internal-bleeding-thai-army-pressured-explain-cadets-death/ -- © Copyright Coconuts Bangkok 2017-11-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 38 minutes ago, Lucky mike said: The idea that the military polices itself leaves much to be desired.... yeah, good thing they don't run a country; oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 7 hours ago, Get Real said: Must be hard to wait for something incomplete, due to that some organs suddenly disappeared or are missing. Quote: Supreme Commander General Thanchaiyan Srisuwan said yesterday that all parties had the right to comment, but should wait for the results of the autopsy and investigation before drawing any conclusions. People voicing their opinions now might pressure the investigative committee, he added. But.... they see fit to do the following before the investigation is over... Quote So far, two senior military officers have been transferred from the Thai Armed Forces Academies Preparatory School in the wake of the scandal surrounding the death. Thanchaiyan last week ordered the transfers of Colonel Chatchai Duangrat and Commander Noppasit Pienchob, who both oversaw student affairs at the military school. Seems rather contradictory ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, webfact said: Organ autopsy shows internal bleeding, Thai army pressured to explain cadet’s death By Coconuts Bangkok Facebook photo of Pakapong Tanyakan (center) and his family. Thailand’s military faces mounting pressure to explain the murky death of a teenage army cadet, whose case has seized national attention after his parents discovered his organs were mysteriously removed from his body. An autopsy performed on the organs revealed haemorrhaging in the young man’s spleen and liver, which could mean the cadet was beaten before he died and could be linked to why the organs were removed, reported Bangkok Post. The army said first-year cadet, Pakapong Tanyakan, died of heart failure on Oct.17 at his army training school outside Bangkok. But his family was skeptical and ordered a second autopsy — only to find their son’s brain, heart, bladder, and stomach were missing. The shocking discovery sparked public outcry and accusations of a cover-up by a military trailed by allegations of beatings and other abuse against young recruits that can turn fatal. The army has continued to deny foul play in Pakapong’s case, saying doctors removed his organs for further inspection and were not required to inform his family, reported AFP Full story: https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/organ-autopsy-shows-internal-bleeding-thai-army-pressured-explain-cadets-death/ -- © Copyright Coconuts Bangkok 2017-11-27 Ok, so the army did an autopsy that established a heart failure as the cause of death. Then returns his body to his parents with his brain, bladder, stomache and heart missing. After claims no investigation was needed, they now suddenly claim the organs were removed for futher investigation. And the organs have been removed without his parent's knowledge and consent. And they expect us to believe this story ? Utterly disgraceful. Of course this statement seems to imply the organs are not missing, so they could also be returned to the rightful owners, who can then arrange a second independant investigation on those organs right ? RIght ? Edited November 27, 2017 by sjaak327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 So the first autopsy was a lie. The 'doctors' or 'pathologists' responsible covered up the true cause of death. Surely thins is unethical and they should be pursued by the law and struck of the medical register (assuming such a thing exists). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Would say that is the face of a happy and proud Thai family. The stain on the army's reputation will not be so able to hide given this wonderful picture. Who is the army protecting if not these wonderful people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandor Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: Why, if he died of cardiac arrest as they claim? ...cardiac arrest...we all have that happen to us ..however it is hardly a contributing cause ..IMHO the heart would have to show signs of a faulty or leaking valve, signs of an infarction or atherosclerosis..all of which are highly unlikely in a youth that age..the cracked right side fourth rib is overlying the right middle lobe of the lung and not the liver..the spleen is a mushy organ and can easily rupture or tear with only a mediocre blow or fall for that manner..(a lot of sports persons get ruptured spleens)..evidence supplied by his father from phone texts supports this as well, as his son fainted and fell to the ground on quite a few occasions..all this evidence says is 'maybe this, or maybe that happened'..without direct evidence, eg a witnesses account or strong supporting medical evidence..it leaves the autopsy reports open to scrutiny and indeed reasonable doubt wither way. Edited November 27, 2017 by tandor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 7 hours ago, IamNoone88 said: It's a pity that they cannot arrange to send his body abroad for a private autopsy. I agree. Even if they have invited the most impartial forensic pathologist Khunying Pornthip, I am confident that the military would exert very great pressure on her for an "accurate finding". End of the day, it is extremely sad to know that a military school would do this to their charge. Parents in Thailand should wake up to this case now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Tragic, shocking, and disgusting ! It sounds to me like he was brutally assaulted by his peers, and they will all know who was responsible for the most damaging blows ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Celery Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 hours ago, wealthychef said: Thailand seems to me like a pretend democracy sliding into authoritarianism. Too many cockroaches and scorpions under too many rocks for it to change quickly. Need many more brave voices. Internet is helping expose it. Luckily the Thai people want virtue in their leaders and are growing in boldness and demanding reforms. Go Thailand! You can win! Amen to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Celery Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, retarius said: So the first autopsy was a lie. The 'doctors' or 'pathologists' responsible covered up the true cause of death. Surely thins is unethical and they should be pursued by the law and struck of the medical register (assuming such a thing exists). Don't hold your breath for any sign of ethics in Thailand. Academics, lawyers, doctors and the armed forces, government officers. Ethics not known or recognised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossy Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sid Celery said: Don't hold your breath for any sign of ethics in Thailand. Academics, lawyers, doctors and the armed forces, government officers. Ethics not known or recognised. And where and when do you even think about starting to cure this bag of ills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Celery Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Ossy said: And where and when do you even think about starting to cure this bag of ills? Not my job. There are the thinkers and there are the doers. I'm a thinker, and I do not envy the doers in Thailand one little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossy Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sid Celery said: Not my job. There are the thinkers and there are the doers. I'm a thinker, and I do not envy the doers in Thailand one little bit. And there's me, thinking that buck-passing was a preserve of the Junta! . . . only joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnapat Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Zero hope of any real justice in this tragic case. The lying will continue in order to ""save face"". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Celery Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ossy said: And there's me, thinking that buck-passing was a preserve of the Junta! . . . only joking No mate, I earned my stripes and got a kicking from my elders when I got it wrong. Now it's my turn. Time's a wunnerful thang. Pass the buck often. Become expert at it, it's good for you. Make it a hospital pass if you can - more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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