Bundooman Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 7 hours ago, cornishcarlos said: I said maybe she could of reacted and the outcome might have been different. Maybe if I was in the same situation I might have been killed too, maybe not ? I can say that when I'm on my bike I pay attention to my surroundings, not just the 20yrs directly in front of me... You're entitled to your opinion, as am I... If the Thai lady had had '20 years, (yrs)' to react - she too could have avoided this very tragic accident that killed her. That wheel was travelling at great speed. How could she have avoided it? Are you 'Superman'? Or are you just plain stupid? The owner of the vehicle probably hasn't maintained his truck in 20 years either................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 To the RTP: - confiscate the truck, jail the owner until he gives up the driver. RIP Apinya Soithong and condolences to your family and friends. Such a needless tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazygreg44 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, smedly said: here we go again another superman Trust me mate - if you had been on that motorbike you would most certainly now be dead dare to question it, here's your reality-movie man as I already had several similar near-death encounters and I am still alive I accept that this is not on everybody's experience list so I understand your objection Edited December 9, 2017 by crazygreg44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublezero Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, lvr181 said: To the RTP: - confiscate the truck, jail the owner until he gives up the driver. Come on, TIT (this is Thailand)! 2000 Baht fine is the worst the driver has to expect. The owner of the truck will not even have to appear in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazygreg44 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, StevieAus said: Although it it has nothing to do with this accident your sentence in italics referring to “ day dreaming” has I think provided the answer to something that has puzzled me for a long time That is, why many Thais on motorcycles and bicycles turn out of side roads without looking. I had put it down to many other reasons mostly derogatory but maybe you have provided the answer. Actually there are several more answers to this phenomena. One is that they rely on other traffic participants to watch out for themselves, so they can't be dared to check. The other is, in many cases there is a one meter stretch of a motorcycle lane from the curb to the first white line, and they rely on this lane being solely reserved for them. Then another answer is, they rely on their amulet and "fate doesn't have it for me today". Quite another is, if a car hits them, then it isn't their fault because the unwritten Thai law that the bigger cars have to watch out for motorcycles. Daydreaming or being inattentive because busy with ice cream in one hand and a smartphone in the other . . well, the list goes on Edited December 9, 2017 by crazygreg44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2bme Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 After moving back to Australia after 20 years in Thailand something I've noticed is the plastic wheel nut lock devices on commercial vehicles (pickups) and trucks. Not sure if this is government requirement or pushed from companies such as mining or civil works. So many new rules since I've been gone. Anyway it would be a good and cheap and visible way of ensuring wheel nuts do not come loose. Google search "plastic wheel nut locks". Australia. RIP and condolences to family. Let's look for solutions rather than blame. Just because we live here we don't need to copy everything from their culture. Look for simple and achievable ways to improve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2bme Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Sorry I didn't read the whole story. Get bored easily with TV basher comments. Has there been proven negligence from the driver. If not I would not persecute him so quick. He probably did not tighten the wheel nuts same as you majority didn't on your car. Also strange that six wheel nuts came loose that rotate to tighten in the same direction as wheel rotation making it harder for them to come loose. (Left hand wheel nuts on trucks are left hand thread for same reason). A truck is different from your car. You will not feel a loose outer wheel (dual wheels) or shredding tyre unless on your steering wheels. These trucks stop frequently at weigh stations and are documented. I wonder if the drivers get out when at these stations. They are a good record of where he came from and how far he travelled. Could indicate how often he stopped where at which point he should have done a visual of tyres and wheel nuts. This could then possibly be an indicator pointing to negligence. You need facts before hanging someone. Solution in the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 7 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Absolutely spot on correct in your observation. The dissenters here, know nothing about anything having to do with driving, and the avoidance of those kinds of obstacles. When was the last time THEY tried to dodge a 50 kilogram wheel going 40 kph? She had one second to react. And that is if she happened to be looking directly at that truck, at exactly that instant! That much is obvious. Look, I believe in something that resembles the grim reaper. When your number is up, that is all they wrote. A "truck wheel" meaning, without the tire on it, is approximately 150 Lbs. A "wheel" meaning, with the tire on it, add 350Lbs to equal 500 Lbs. A "wheel" meaning, dual, a set of two side-by-side, equals 1,000 Lbs. A "wheel" meaning, the fifth-wheel, is approximately 1,200 Lbs. https://www.answerbag.com/q_view/36422 I do not know why my original post, to which Spidermikes is responding here disappears? Not that it is a problem for me, only knowing how a post dissolves itself is pure curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 People are thinking of more creative ways of killing each other on Thai roads,and will say it's karma .RIP the unfortunate lady. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug F Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 This tragedy was totally avoidable. Clearly the truck maintenance was not adequate. Motor vehicle regulations and monitoring is the responsibility of the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 7 hours ago, crazygreg44 said: dare to question it, here's your reality-movie man as I already had several similar near-death encounters and I am still alive I accept that this is not on everybody's experience list so I understand your objection be safe out there mate, your post was confusing - it started out one way and ended the complete opposite I have also been riding motorbikes for years and currently have one these last few years in Thailand This girl had absolutely no chance, doesn't matter how many bikes you have had or how long you have been riding - there was no escape from this. It is very tragic and is exactly why we have vehicle inspections in the west How many vehicles currently on the roads in Thailand would pass vehicle inspection tests in the UK, my guess would be that 70% of all heavy goods vehicles and busses would be condemned to the scrapper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waders123 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Wheather you are walking on a sidewalk, riding a bike, or driving a car, you should always try to remain vigilant to what is happening around you. You may not avoid an accident such as this one but you can sure as heck give it your best shot to try. My condolences to her family and to her, may she rest in peace. Better routine and spot inspections on commercial vehicles could help reduce accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thechook Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Agree with most on here, very poor maintenence and responsibility by the truck owner /driver. Poor girl it looked quick and she probably didn't feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfarang1948 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 2 hours ago, waders123 said: Wheather you are walking on a sidewalk, riding a bike, or driving a car, you should always try to remain vigilant to what is happening around you. You may not avoid an accident such as this one but you can sure as heck give it your best shot to try. My condolences to her family and to her, may she rest in peace. Better routine and spot inspections on commercial vehicles could help reduce accidents. That is a suggestion that is never going to be taken seriously. Don't you ever read the Minister's campaign promises of reducing road deaths? HA !! Not bloody likely. I will just call you naïve if you think transportation officials or the BIB give a crap about how many people die here in any kind of road accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Quote You report writers are sickening. Original articles, especially in the Thai press, often have grammatical mistakes or misspellings. ThaiVisa is not responsible for these nor does ThaiVisa have the rights to alter content it is reprinting from another source. Similarly, ThaiVisa is not responsible for any opinions reflected or quoted in reprinted news stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prairieboy Posted December 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2017 16 hours ago, crazygreg44 said: i must agree with cornishcarlos to the point that I am indeed surprised that there wasn't a single flicker of reaction on her side, from when the wheel started rolling to when it was still on top of the center section, and a great part away . . so I was waiting . . . waiting. . . . . for at least her rear brake light to light up . . . . but nothing . . . . It all happened very fast . . . . I am riding motorcycles since I was 13 and I am often taken aback at the sights of apparent daydreaming of motorcyclists on Thailand's roads. When I go for a ride, my overall attention is everywhere from 5 yards towards 200 yards ahead . . to the right, to the rear and to the left, and in Thailand, also to the above! You could call that "scouting" and it is part of my defensive riding style another part of my defensive riding style incorporates "always expect the unexpected". In Thailand this mostly means the sudden appearance of dogs, motorcycles cutting in your way from the behind or trucks coming from ahead suddenly swerving from their lane . . . I have already had my fair share of all of the above. So the "expect the unexpected" actually has grown stronger over my years in riding Thai roads. Thus said the accident is tragic and could have been avoided if the truck had undergone proper & regular maintenance. It was absolutely not her fault and there was little, very little she could have done. Even braking would have still kept her in the wheel's path. Just wondering there was nilch, nada reaction, as in my case I was able to count to three after the wheel had come off . . . again . . . . . but . . . then probably the poster is right who said that her view was obscurred by the shrubs in the median. She didn't see the wheel coming until it was across the shrubs There can't be any excuse and there's no way around it. Rest in Peace, young lady It is obvious to me that the CCTV camera had a bird's eye view whilst the motorcyclist's view was restricted by shrubbery! A real tragedy - R.I.P. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, theguyfromanotherforum said: Is such a cringeworthy title really appropriate? Original articles, especially in the Thai press, often have grammatical mistakes or misspellings. ThaiVisa is not responsible for these nor does ThaiVisa have the rights to alter content it is reprinting from another source. Similarly, ThaiVisa is not responsible for any opinions reflected or quoted in reprinted news stories. A post commenting on moderation has been removed. Edited December 10, 2017 by metisdead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 20 hours ago, smedly said: correct, she had no chance but of course the superman hero posting on this forum could have avoided it, pity there is no way the actually test that out We could put the poster on a motorcycle and do a re-enactment see how he does !! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keesters Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Thais believe in Karma. Karma: the spiritual principle of cause and effect where intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual. Don't wear a helmet, get smashed in the face by a runaway truck wheel. While a helmet would probably not have saved her, karma may have stopped the accident happening in the first place. Wear your helmets and avoid accidents. RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenrunCM Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 may be a helmet would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 12 hours ago, doublezero said: Come on, TIT (this is Thailand)! 2000 Baht fine is the worst the driver has to expect. The owner of the truck will not even have to appear in court. Yup, I know but it is not a tough 'problem' to solve though. If only someone in the RTP could you use some commonsense to get a desirable result (responsibility and accountability). I am thinkiong that both the driver and truck owner should, at the very least, pay money to the rider's family for the death caused and then whatever else happens for driving an unsafe vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) One more data point. If she had been driving a car, she'd have probably lived to tell her loved ones the harrowing tale of a broken windshield. It's tragic that economic realities put so many Thai's on scooters instead of inside cars that are 20-40x less dangerous, and a lot more comfortable. Edited December 10, 2017 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurseynutcase Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 So very sad for this lady - RIP. The lack of basic maintainance of vehicles in this country never ceases to amaze me. I hope her family get to the truth of who caused this very tragic accident. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 20 hours ago, atyclb said: "impact vector" refers to the tire Tyre is shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 3 hours ago, impulse said: One more data point. If she had been driving a car, she'd have probably lived to tell her loved ones the harrowing tale of a broken windshield. It's tragic that economic realities put so many Thai's on scooters instead of inside cars that are 20-40x less dangerous, and a lot more comfortable. I ride a bike a lot and it isn't really economic realities, more practicalities. Tragic when the economic situation forces a whole family on a bike and something bad happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 A truly tragic example of the general careless attitude towards consequence here in Thailand. Weekly reports of brake failure leading to deaths and accidents such as this 'errant' wheel are not uncommon with a handful reported yearly; I wonder how many go unreported. Issues such as this are simple to prevent - Maintenance, of course, without the adequate and enforced consequences vehicle and fleet owners have no interest in preventative maintenance and only choose to apply a fix when something breaks or goes wrong. As always this comes down to pure and simple apathy. Apathy of those in positions who could do something to improve the application and enforcement of safety measures. Further heartbreaking and avoidable tragedy - it really is depressing to see such avoidable events impact the innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikiea Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 On 12/9/2017 at 11:50 AM, smedly said: and of course you could have avoided the wheel - I would get a posting holiday if I really said what I want to say to you - shame on you There was no possible way for this young lady to avoid this horrific incident, the fault is clearly with whoever is responsible for the maintenance of the truck As usual Thais blaming everything but the actual cause corn-man is in a bubble all by himself on this one , for shame on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikiea Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 3 hours ago, chickenrunCM said: may be a helmet would help a hundred and fifty pounds of metal and core rubber hitting you at combined speed of 60 mph ....well ....chicken you should get out more , ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sledpull Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 RIP! So sad! If there wasn't enough to worry about on Thai roads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Excellent tourism PR and brand image reinforcement. Not......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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