What start date do I recognize for my 90 reporting?

[lungjoe]

Hello All,

 

While I was back home in the States, I got a Non-0 Marriage Visa with plans to “covert” it to the 1-year extension based on marriage to a Thai. The Non-O Visa is dated 10/22/2017, however, due to an unforeseen family situation I was not able to return to Thailand until 12/30/2017.  Since I need to do a 90 day reporting, which date do I consider my 90 day start date? 10/22 or 12/30?

 

Unfortunately, I do not have all my paperwork ready at this time,  will I run into any trouble with my 90 reporting going in with just my passport and Form TM-7?

 

My thanks in advance any advice offered.

[VocalNeal]

The 30th . It is 90 days from last report or last arrival, including the day you arrived. So around 29 March from my reckoning. No need for any paperwork. Just your passport and the completed form that you downloaded.

 

You can go a few days before or after. It is a reporting not anything more.

[ubonjoe]

Unless you have already done the extension of stay application you do not need to do a 90 day report. Your first 90 day report will be due 90 days from the date you apply for the extension.

You can apply for the extension during the last 30 days of the 90 day entry from the non-o visa.

[PoorSucker]

First extension of stay counts as 90 day report. 

[steve187]

your on a visa , so no 90 day report, you have a leave by date of 90 days in your passport

[KKr]

6 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Unless you have already done the extension of stay application you do not need to do a 90 day report. Your first 90 day report will be due 90 days from the date you apply for the extension.

You can apply for the extension during the last 30 days of the 90 day entry from the non-o visa.

Correct!
Initially, I thought the subsequent extension date would be entered as a new 90-day period,  ( after all it is the same office ), but it is not, and I was fined 2.000 B for some 50 days late reporting c.q. overstay. 
 

[lungjoe]

Thank you everyone for your responses.  Just so Im clear....

 

 

And by January 25 I need to report to Chaengwattana....

 

Again my thanks and wish you all a happy new year!

 

[ubonjoe]

22 minutes ago, lungjoe said:

And by January 25 I need to report to Chaengwattana..

Neither of those dates are when you report to Chaeng Wattana.

You entered the country on December 30th, Look in your passport for a entry stamp has a admitted to date on it that should be the 29th of March. That is date you must leave the country or the date you must apply for an extension before.

The only date on your visa sticker that is important is is the enter before date on it (October 24th 2018) since you have a multiple entry visa that allows unlimited 90 day entries for a year from the date of issue.

 

[lungjoe]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Neither of those dates are when you report to Chaeng Wattana.

You entered the country on December 30th, Look in your passport for a entry stamp has a admitted to date on it that should be the 29th of March. That is date you must leave the country or the date you must apply for an extension before.

The only date on your visa sticker that is important is is the enter before date on it (October 24th 2018) since you have a multiple entry visa that allows unlimited 90 day entries for a year from the date of issue.

 

AH!!! Now I see it....AWESOME! Please forgive an old man eyes and knucklehead brain!  Appreciate you clearing that up for me.

[tgeezer]

Correct!
Initially, I thought the subsequent extension date would be entered as a new 90-day period,  ( after all it is the same office ), but it is not, and I was fined 2.000 B for some 50 days late reporting c.q. overstay. 
 

Gosh, the same thing happened to me years ago, I thought that Immigration had sorted this out.

Can the forum consider my interpretation of the procedure since I am about to extend for retirement this month?

I entered with a non Imm. visa with permission to stay 90 days, after 60 days, (two months money in the bank) I extend and am given permission to stay for the remainder of the year since entry, approximately ten months. This extension is now counted as a 90 day report. My 90 day report now becomes due after 150 days in the country by which time I would have left the country. Provided I return less than seven days before I am due to renew what we mustn't call a visa, this disparity isn't noticed and I appear to be reporting 90 days after getting a new retirement stamp which could be as much as 97 days after entering. After several years with no problems I returned once eight days earlier than my extension and after 98 days reported 90 days, 2000 baht fine!
It is all so obvious when written down like this and people will probably conclude that it is not a trap but I think it is.
The situation was created by Immigration it appears to save us a second visit to Immigration to report 90 days. This is no longer necessary since a 90 day report need not require a visit to Immigration.




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[tgeezer]

Hello All,
 
While I was back home in the States, I got a Non-0 Marriage Visa with plans to “covert” it to the 1-year extension based on marriage to a Thai. The Non-O Visa is dated 10/22/2017, however, due to an unforeseen family situation I was not able to return to Thailand until 12/30/2017.  Since I need to do a 90 day reporting, which date do I consider my 90 day start date? 10/22 or 12/30?
 
Unfortunately, I do not have all my paperwork ready at this time,  will I run into any trouble with my 90 reporting going in with just my passport and Form TM-7?
 
My thanks in advance any advice offered.

You say that you intend to extend on marriage grounds yet you have a visa more suited to someone who intends not to extend but to do border runs instead.
I don’t know your circumstances and don’t need to know but for the benefit of people who might get the wrong impression, could you not have got the less expensive single entry visa allowing a visit of 90 days in order to extend for one year on the grounds of marriage ?




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[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, tgeezer said:

I entered with a non Imm. visa with permission to stay 90 days, after 60 days, (two months money in the bank) I extend and am given permission to stay for the remainder of the year since entry, approximately ten months. This extension is now counted as a 90 day report. My 90 day report now becomes due after 150 days in the country by which time I would have left the country. Provided I return less than seven days before I am due to renew what we mustn't call a visa, this disparity isn't noticed and I appear to be reporting 90 days after getting a new retirement stamp which could be as much as 97 days after entering. After several years with no problems I returned once eight days earlier than my extension and after 98 days reported 90 days, 2000 baht fine!
It is all so obvious when written down like this and people will probably conclude that it is not a trap but I think it is.
The situation was created by Immigration it appears to save us a second visit to Immigration to report 90 days. This is no longer necessary since a 90 day report need not require a visit to Immigration.

 

Firstly 90 day report dates and extension renewal dates are separate procedures.

You can make a 90 day report anytime within the window of 14 days before or 7 days after the due date if reporting in person.

You can apply to renew your extension up to 30 days prior to expiry of your current extension.

 

Sometimes the windows may fall simultaneously and Immigration may reset your next 90 day report from the date of your extension.

Always check the date on the 90 day report slip, unless you've left and re-entered the Country, in which case you will have to calculate and memorise your next report date from the date of entry. 

(I always keep the old report slip in my passport, cross out the old date, and write the newly calculated date above it as a reminder)

 

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After several years with no problems I returned once eight days earlier than my extension and after 98 days reported 90 days, 2000 baht fine!

Your error was that you assumed because you renewed your extension, your next 90 day report was due 90 days after.

Unless Immigration gave you a new 90 day report date when you did your extension, then your report was still due 90 days from the day you re-entered the Country.

You were therefore fined for a late 90 day report, albeit by one day from what you say.

[lagavulin1]

Using lungjoes excuse. The knives in my drawer are getting blunter. May I tack on a related but different question to save wasting a new thread ?

I'm on retirement extensions. My latest expired on 30 October and I'm extended to 30 Oct 2018.

 

Because of the cremation of the late King I updated on 25th October.

 

Is my 90 day 30 Oct +90 OR 25 Oct + 90 ?

 

Sorry I  know this is a question often asked !

Thanks.

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, lagavulin1 said:

Is my 90 day 30 Oct +90 OR 25 Oct + 90 ?

Unless immigration changed your report date the report is due 90 days from when you did your last report.

Only the first extension of stay application is considered a 90 day report.

[Tanoshi]

47 minutes ago, lagavulin1 said:

Is my 90 day 30 Oct +90 OR 25 Oct + 90 ?

When did you last make a 90 day report.

In the back of your passport Immigration should have stapled a slip notifying the next report date. What date is it?

 

It will look like this;

 

 

[tgeezer]

Your error was that you assumed because you renewed your extension, your next 90 day report was due 90 days after.
Unless Immigration gave you a new 90 day report date when you did your extension, then your report was still due 90 days from the day you re-entered the Country.
You were therefore fined for a late 90 day report, albeit by one day from what you say.

If you read my post properly you will see that you are simply saying what I said using different words. I know that I am a different generation so if you can point to any ambiguity in what I wrote I would appreciate it.
The 90 day report is simple in its concept but made confusing by Immigration when they set up or reactivated a section specifically to receive reports. During a continuous period in the country after 90, 180, 270 and 360 days you make a report of your address in writing to Immigration. Any visit to Immigration where you report your address could be considered a 90 day report especially the 360 day report. People who don’t leave the country could forcast the days years in advance, goodness knows why an appointment was thought necessary!


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[Tanoshi]

6 minutes ago, tgeezer said:

If you read my post properly you will see that you are simply saying what I said using different words. I know that I am a different generation so if you can point to any ambiguity in what I wrote I would appreciate it.
The 90 day report is simple in its concept but made confusing by Immigration when they set up or reactivated a section specifically to receive reports. During a continuous period in the country after 90, 180, 270 and 360 days you make a report of your address in writing to Immigration. Any visit to Immigration where you report your address could be considered a 90 day report especially the 360 day report. People who don’t leave the country could forcast the days years in advance, goodness knows why an appointment was thought necessary!


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Sorry tgeezer, I thought you were asking us to consider your interpretation and comment.

 

You don't necessarily make reports after 90, 180, 270 and 360 days.

Most Immigration offices date your next report 90 days from the date of the application, not the due date

As there are windows allowing early application (up to 14 days prior) then the dates could be after 87, 167, 244 and 230 days.

Only on the first application of an extension is it considered to also be a 90 day report, thereafter the extension renewal date and the dates of due 90 day reports are totally separate entities.

 

You are reporting being in the Country for 90 consecutive days, not reporting your address.

[lagavulin1]

40 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

When did you last make a 90 day report.

In the back of your passport Immigration should have stapled a slip notifying the next report date. What date is it?

 

It will look like this;

 

 

Hi. Thanks for answering. I did not get the slip as I was on retirement extension as well. Hence my confusion.  Regards P

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, lagavulin1 said:

Hi. Thanks for answering. I did not get the slip as I was on retirement extension as well. Hence my confusion.  Regards P

Renewing an extension is not the same as making a 90 day report.

They will not necessarily give you a new 90 day report slip just because you renewed your extension.

 

Look in the back of your passport for the last slip stapled there.

Failing that, what date did you last make a 90 day report before renewing your extension.

 

I fear you may have missed a report and will be fined for a late report.

[tgeezer]

Sorry tgeezer, I thought you were asking us to consider your interpretation and comment.

 

You don't necessarily make reports after 90, 180, 270 and 360 days.

Most Immigration offices date your next report 90 days from the date of the application, not the due date

As there are windows allowing early application (up to 14 days prior) then the dates could be after 87, 167, 244 and 230 days.

Only on the first application of an extension is it considered to also be a 90 day report, thereafter the extension renewal date and the dates of due 90 day reports are totally separate entities.

 

You are reporting being in the Country for 90 consecutive days, not reporting your address.

Actually the act states that you must report your address after a continous period of 90 days. It is in what I call “keeping tabs on us” section. The same section of the Immigration Act stipulating that working is not allowed, informing on change of address etc. That is Section 4 article 37/5

Since there is so much latitude as you say why not base the date on multiples of 90 ?

I know that the reports and extensions are seen as separate but they need not be need they? That is the reason people get confused, on the other hand the country derived revenue of 2000baht from me and others so not much incentive to change.

 

 

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[Tanoshi]

19 minutes ago, tgeezer said:

Actually the act states that you must report your address after a continous period of 90 days. It is in what I call “keeping tabs on us” section. The same section of the Immigration Act stipulating that working is not allowed, informing on change of address etc. That is Section 4 article 37/5

Since there is so much latitude as you say why not base the date on multiples of 90 ?

I know that the reports and extensions are seen as separate but they need not be need they? That is the reason people get confused, on the other hand the country derived revenue of 2000baht from me and others so not much incentive to change.

You do indeed note your address on the form but read the form

. FORM FOR ALIEN TO NOTIFY OF STAYING LONGER THAN 90 DAYS

Many IO offices no longer require the form, just your passport with TM6 and last 90 day receipt.

No confirmation of address is requested. If you'd changed address since you last reported you should have filled a TM28.

If you haven't, then it is safe for the IO to assume you are at the same registered address.

 

It is based on multiples of 90. Ninety days after your report.

 

 

 

[tgeezer]

Apart from keeping people in work there is practically no point in any of the paperwork, everything can be accomplished with computers so it is wonderful to me that we try to make sense of it at all. Logic is glimpsed briefly on occasions but no system that might be divined from that seems to last long, don't you think it also wonderful that the receipt of you last report is necessary? I believe the lack of that receipt has attracted a fine in the past!


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