British man arrested over death of bar girl in Pattaya

[cyberfarang]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

We are talking about this case in Pattaya from a few days ago, not about prostitution in London 150 years ago and not about the safety of working as a prostitute in general

I`ll argue this till the cows come home, prostitution is an extremely dangerous occupation, those working in Pattaya are no exception to the rule, and time scales have not made any difference, it`s been like this throughout history. There was a well publicised case either last year or the year before, think it was in Indonesia, whereas a high profile young English guy, well to do working in a financial institution and in all appearances seemed respectable and a safe bet, had murdered scores of young prostitutes over a short period of time. Those girls suffered horrendous deaths at his hands, some held and tortured for days and that was just one of thousands of such cases.

[cyberfarang]

6 minutes ago, The manic said:

I was asking a question about the Thai coverage of UK crime but I take your point. The apparent murderer is British. Not the first and not the last tourist, British or otherwise, to loose the plot here. In this case the circumstances are dreadful for the poor girl and her family. Thank goodness it is a rare and unusual event. 

Sorry, but these are not rare and unusual events.

[Chivas]

5 minutes ago, The manic said:

I was asking a question about the Thai coverage of UK crime but I take your point. The apparent murderer is British. Not the first and not the last tourist, British or otherwise, to loose the plot here. In this case the circumstances are dreadful for the poor girl and her family. Thank goodness it is a rare and unusual event. 

His first trip it appears and a big overstay on the visa and now a longer overstay care of the judiciary

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, cyberfarang said:

I`ll argue this till the cows come home, prostitution is an extremely dangerous occupation, those working in Pattaya are no exception to the rule, and time scales have not made any difference, it`s been like this throughout history. There was a well publicised case either last year or the year before, think it was in Indonesia, whereas a high profile young English guy, well to do working in a financial institution and in all appearances seemed respectable and a safe bet, had murdered scores of young prostitutes over a short period of time. Those girls suffered horrendous deaths at his hands, some held and tortured for days and that was just one of thousands of such cases.

You really need to start your own thread about the dangers of prostitution 

[watcharacters]

3 hours ago, Senior Player said:

As others have pointed out, The Sun reports possession of the gir’s phone, so he’s a thief as well as a coward. Another overstayer giving legitimate visa holders a bad name. Stole a motorbike as well. The report also includes a packet of Kamagra oral jelly which was found next to her body which gave the first clue that she wasn’t alone. I mention this as there are some here having difficulty understanding the report of erectile disfunction drugs. For such a young stud this guy must have psychological problems not to get it up without the aid of Kamagra. Clearly he wasn’t that drunk that he couldn’t scarper immediately after her death and check into another hotel.

 

I’ve also just had a look at the photos of the balconies at Cosy Beach View and they are modern, high and have a glass facia. These aren’t some cheap, rickety old balconies we’re talking about here. The couple would have had to have been standing on a chair or table for the girl to have tipped herself over. Sorry, but I can’t see how it was possible to accidentally fall off this balcony, certainly not without the partner falling closely behind. The logistics of this look impossible. Unless of course he lifted her up and helped her over.

 

Even if we take the death of this young girl out of the equation, the suspect still comes across as an unsavoury character, being a thief and all. Not that we can take her death out of the equation, that is.

 

This will probably upset a few of the degenerate brigade that frequent these boards, and that have a perverse sympathy for this particular individual (god knows why), but the signs don’t look good for Reece Vella. Even if he is somehow found innocent of this poor girl’s death, he’s an absolute bounder and a cad for running away. Either way, I hope he gets his just desserts.

 

RIP Wannipa Janhuathon 

 

 

 

 

No,  friend.   He's accused of being a thief.    Or has he already been tried?

 

"The Sun reports possession of the gir’s phone, so he’s a thief as well as a coward".

[DeeMak9]

Unbelievable what an amazing amount of total <deleted> are on this forum.

 

Yes, the guy shouldn't run. But given the fact we are in Thailand it is also totally reasonable to panic in these kind of situations. We all know that as a foreigner you're toast when something like this happens. It does not matter if you're guilty or not, they will hang you, apparently including 90% of the sad people on this forum.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

I was asking a question about the Thai coverage of UK crime but I take your point. The apparent murderer is British. Not the first and not the last tourist, British or otherwise, to loose the plot here. In this case the circumstances are dreadful for the poor girl and her family. Thank goodness it is a rare and unusual event. 

Hold on, why call him an "apparent murderer " ?

People here are just speculating too much.

I agree that some Farangs are not something to be proud of...

I feel so sorry for the poor woman, it must be very hard to accept this whole thing for her family and friends.

I feel sorry for the guy too, his remorse must be an impossible weight to carry.

[Dumbastheycome]

18 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

This could be equated to drivers that are involved in hit and run incidents.

Absolutely !

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, DeeMak9 said:

Unbelievable what an amazing amount of total <deleted> are on this forum.

 

Yes, the guy shouldn't run. But given the fact we are in Thailand it is also totally reasonable to panic in these kind of situations. We all know that as a foreigner you're toast when something like this happens. It does not matter if you're guilty or not, they will hang you, apparently including 90% of the sad people on this forum.

I do not believe that though , Westerners usually get treated fairly by the RTP , even get preferential treatment .

   

[DeeMak9]

Just now, sanemax said:

I do not believe that though , Westerners usually get treated fairly by the RTP , even get preferential treatment .

   

I hope youre joking. You have no idea how the boys on soi 9 work then.

[Dumbastheycome]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Hold on, why call him an "apparent murderer " ?

People here are just speculating too much.

I agree that some Farangs are not something to be proud of...

I feel so sorry for the poor woman, it must be very hard to accept this whole thing for her family and friends.

I feel sorry for the guy too, his remorse must be an impossible weight to carry.

I  can  bet  his  remorse  is  about  ducking  out,   not  about  the  woman's  death!

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, DeeMak9 said:

I hope youre joking. You have no idea how the boys on soi 9 work then.

OK, list all the names of the Westerners in jail in Thailand for murder, who are not guilty and who were framed by the RTP.

  List the names 

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

I  can  bet  his  remorse  is  about  ducking  out,   not  about  the  woman's  death!

Well, i could be wrong, but it seems an accident to me.

Let's wait for some statement from the RTP,  i would be surprised if it was an intentional murder.

[The manic]

22 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Hold on, why call him an "apparent murderer " ?

People here are just speculating too much.

I agree that some Farangs are not something to be proud of...

I feel so sorry for the poor woman, it must be very hard to accept this whole thing for her family and friends.

I feel sorry for the guy too, his remorse must be an impossible weight to carry.

OK sorry.  The Killer.

[Dumbastheycome]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, i could be wrong, but it seems an accident to me.

Let's wait for some statement from the RTP,  i would be surprised if it was an intentional murder.

The  average  perception  of   accidental   death  is  that  maybe  he  vigorously   bunted  her  over  the  edge. Ok. Accident. But  then  he  ran. I  doubt  it  was  that  simple  but  that  he  ran at all   makes  his   liable  for  whatever. 

 

[Henrik Andersen]

I just hope we hear the end of this story and his sentence 

And please why all people in here fighting each other 

I think we all can agree his lack of empathy for this poor lady 

[balo]

Reported in the British media today : 

 

"Mr Vella has been arrested on suspicion of negligence causing others to die, overstaying his visa in excess of 59 days and stealing a motorcycle at night. " 

 

So overstaying for 2 months , and simple theft , tells you something about the man . 

 

[oldlakey]

40 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

I`ll argue this till the cows come home, prostitution is an extremely dangerous occupation, those working in Pattaya are no exception to the rule, and time scales have not made any difference, it`s been like this throughout history. There was a well publicised case either last year or the year before, think it was in Indonesia, whereas a high profile young English guy, well to do working in a financial institution and in all appearances seemed respectable and a safe bet, had murdered scores of young prostitutes over a short period of time. Those girls suffered horrendous deaths at his hands, some held and tortured for days and that was just one of thousands of such cases.

3 years ago I think, it was in HK the girls were Indo

[cyberfarang]

31 minutes ago, DeeMak9 said:

I hope youre joking. You have no idea how the boys on soi 9 work then.

Judging by past cases involving serious crimes, the authorities will use foreigners as sacrificial lambs to protect the reputations of Thais and Thailand. I think the tragic case of the Burmese 2 is a classic example and also criminal activities involving foreigners are much more publicised them those committed by Thais, the most we don`t get to hear about unless picked up by the international media.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

What am I missing here?

 

--If he intentionally pushed the woman to her death, he's a murderer.

 

--If they were having sex on the balcony, things got overheated, and she fell to her death while engaged, that pretty much sounds like an accidental death to me and under the law.

 

The fact the guy did a runner doesn't make him a candidate for citizen of the year. But neither does running from an accidental death somehow legally make him a murderer.

 

If you're a young bloke here on holiday, partying at night, and ending up having sex with a bargirl on the balcony one minute, and the next minute she's dead or dying on the street below, that would be enough to pretty well shake up most folks if you were in his shoes.

 

 

 

[cyberfarang]

4 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

3 years ago I think, it was in HK the girls were Indo

That`s right, thanks for refreshing my memory. The guy was found guilty of murdering a number of prostitutes but it was said they believed he murdered scores more, exactly how many that will probably never be substantiated.

[DeeMak9]

Yep, and he cut them up and put them in a suitcase.

 

This guy however is in a total different situation. So lets not compare....

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

I feel sorry for the guy too, his remorse must be an impossible weight to carry.

It appears he managed to carry that weight to another hotel quite easily, and to the bar.

[cyberfarang]

Here is a full account from the Daily Mail. Read and form your own opinions:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5245699/Briton-arrested-Thai-prostitute-falls-death.html

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It appears he managed to carry that weight to another hotel quite easily, and to the bar.

How easily we don't know, but drinking himself to death is compatible with the feeling of remorse.

I am not defending his actions btw, i was taught to respect and protect women, more so if they are guests .

I just can't imagine this guy as a ruthless criminal.

But, of course, i might be wrong.

[Bigfarang1948]

13 hours ago, hansnl said:

Well, he is a farang, of course.

That makes perfect sense because we do not hear to many stories of Thai men taking Thai bar girls to local tourist hotels.

[drgoon]

13 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Why would a 26yo man need to be anywhere near bargirls [prostitutes], and on Viagra too? Poor girl probably refused unreasonable sexual demands and things deteriorated from there,[ it's amazing how fast the 'girlfriend experience' can turn nasty], violence resulted, girl gets thrown off balcony. If this is the case I hope he gets 50years in Bang Kwang. 

Typical nasty TV reply. Speculation without all the facts. What a jerk

[Kadilo]

Reported in the British media today : 
 
"Mr Vella has been arrested on suspicion of negligence causing others to die, overstaying his visa in excess of 59 days and stealing a motorcycle at night. " 
 
So overstaying for 2 months , and simple theft , tells you something about the man . 
 

Yes , but it doesn't say he's a murderer


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[Filadog]

They should arrest those who set the code for high rise balcony rail height in Thailand. How many must die before they acknowledge it is insufficient? 

[greatwhitenorth]

17 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Yes , but it doesn't say he's a murderer


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if he was negligent and caused her death he is killer.  I  can t imagine that it was his intention to kill her mostly because he obviously didn t have an escape plan.    are all killers murders? no murder requires intent and premeditation.  

 

is he a slimy piece of faeces?  no doubt about that, he knew she was at least badly injured, made no effort to help her, stole her phone, a motorcycle and hid out.  I hope he rots in Thai prison