THAILIBAN Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/12/2018 at 7:31 AM, ubonjoe said: Can you suggest where to get one. I have not seen any reports of anybody getting one as director for several years. It has gotten very hard to get a single entry non-b visa for business purposes in recent years much less a multiple entry visa. I can 100% confirm that, particularly since the consulates are not allowed to issue multiple entry Visas any longer. Luckily I have now reached the "magic age" to apply for the retirement-extension, if I still would be 38 as I was when getting my first non-B multiple back then I would have definitely run out of options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, THAILIBAN said: I can 100% confirm that, particularly since the consulates are not allowed to issue multiple entry Visas any longer. Luckily I have now reached the "magic age" to apply for the retirement-extension, if I still would be 38 as I was when getting my first non-B multiple back then I would have definitely run out of options I didnt understand thing about magic age of 38. Edited January 17, 2018 by Master Jairam Age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Tuft Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 hours ago, THAILIBAN said: I can 100% confirm that, particularly since the consulates are not allowed to issue multiple entry Visas any longer. Luckily I have now reached the "magic age" to apply for the retirement-extension, if I still would be 38 as I was when getting my first non-B multiple back then I would have definitely run out of options Can also confirm this, as of directive from MoFA August 2016. No multiple B' from Consulates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Argus Tuft said: Can also confirm this, as of directive from MoFA August 2016. No multiple B' from Consulates. Official Thai consulates can issue them. It is honorary consulates that have been restricted from issuing them in some countries. It is any multiple entry non immigrant visa not just non-b visas. In the US they cannot issue multiple entry tourist visas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 11/1/2018 at 5:20 PM, elviajero said: You could become a Director (non executive) that would qualify you to get a Non-immigrant ‘B’ visa. You can be a Director without a work permit as long as you’re not involved in the day to day running. Being an investor is not a job (work) and doesn’t qualify for getting a work permit. Went to two attorneys, two exactly different answers. I was set up 49%/director and designated as the sole person to sign for the company for obvious reasons. Don't work, don't want WP. One attorney said like you, no problem. Other attorney said huge problem, either have WP or lose control/powers. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said: Other attorney said huge problem, either have WP or lose control/powers. I agree with that one. Signing certain documents does require a work permit and in some cases they could be considered as invalid if you don't have a work permit. It seems you are working as a managing director which does require a work permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: I agree with that one. Signing certain documents does require a work permit and in some cases they could be considered as invalid if you don't have a work permit. It seems you are working as a managing director which does require a work permit. there has to be one or more ways for farang to maintain powers without having to do the work permit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: I agree with that one. Signing certain documents does require a work permit and in some cases they could be considered as invalid if you don't have a work permit. It seems you are working as a managing director which does require a work permit. Actually the only powers I want is that my signature is the one required to sell or encumber the business. Not overly concerned about day to day and honestly want no part in management. Must be a way to rich that goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said: Actually the only powers I want is that my signature is the one required to sell or encumber the business. Not overly concerned about day to day and honestly want no part in management. Dong that is a function you can do as a share holder/director without a work permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Hav the authorities defined work? Given their scope for interpretation. Control cant be had only by means of shareholding, i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JAZZDOG said: Actually the only powers I want is that my signature is the one required to sell or encumber the business. Not overly concerned about day to day and honestly want no part in management. Must be a way to rich that goal? Can you nominate someone to run your business with full protection to you in anything done against your will? Edited January 18, 2018 by Master Jairam Mas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Master Jairam said: Hav the authorities defined work? Given their scope for interpretation. Control cant be had only by means of shareholding, i think. They have clarified that attending a board of directors meeting does not require a work permit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: They have clarified that attending a board of directors meeting does not require a work permit. Lets say i put my query to a lawyer and he says no problem go ahead. Can i depend on his statement? Or my better quedtion is this: Is it possible to walk in to the labour office and ask my query on work permit the need for it and otherwise? PS: and of course report back for everybody's knowledge here. Edited January 18, 2018 by Master Jairam Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Master Jairam said: Lets say i put my query to a lawyer and he says no problem go ahead. Can i depend on his statement? Or my better quedtion is this: Is it possible to walk in to the labour office and ask my query on work permit the need for it and otherwise? PS: and of course report back for everybody's knowledge here. 5 LAWYERS >5 DIFFERENT ANSWERS 5 LABOR OFFICE OFFICIALS<5 DIFFERENT ANSWERS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, JAZZDOG said: 5 LAWYERS >5 DIFFERENT ANSWERS 5 LABOR OFFICE OFFICIALS<5 DIFFERENT ANSWERS What do do then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, ubonjoe said: They have clarified that attending a board of directors meeting does not require a work permit. I HAVE HEARD THIS BEFORE Just now, Master Jairam said: What do do then? ???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, JAZZDOG said: I HAVE HEARD THIS BEFORE ???????????? Just get along, what else. Work and hav fun as much as fir as long as u can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Master Jairam said: Just get along, what else. Work and hav fun as much as fir as long as u can. Deal is I don't want to work, manage, nothing remotely associated with work, don't need to. Just want to insure the initial investment is under my control as far as selling or encumbering. It is done all over the world in such cases. In Costa Rica we would write into the corporate books that the day to day signing of docs can be done by the manager but any docs pertaining to sale or mortgage must have only my signature, Now can this be done here, don't know why not. It just seems like this must have come up on tens of thousands of occasions since farang can only have 49% share but likely put up 100% of investment funds. yet most attorneys when ask have this deer in the headlights look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said: Deal is I don't want to work, manage, nothing remotely associated with work, don't need to. Just want to insure the initial investment is under my control as far as selling or encumbering. It is done all over the world in such cases. In Costa Rica we would write into the corporate books that the day to day signing of docs can be done by the manager but any docs pertaining to sale or mortgage must have only my signature, Now can this be done here, don't know why not. It just seems like this must have come up on tens of thousands of occasions since farang can only have 49% share but likely put up 100% of investment funds. yet most attorneys when ask have this deer in the headlights look Knowing them are Thais capable of cheating u out of your money? If u can risk ur money in business u should take a chance with people as well in places like thailand. If u r highly suspicious of them why do biz around them. Even with the best provisions in the law u could still be parted from ur money by the judicial system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) For example, our company in India wants to invest in the US but we are scared of the judicial system over there. In Thailand u might be able to afford a lawyer just to prepare your paperwork and for some sensible advise ( even street smart will do) not so in the us of a. Let me add: currently we have kind of engaged a person who assures that no Thai will cheat us during his lifetime. Edited January 18, 2018 by Master Jairam Master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Master Jairam said: Knowing them are Thais capable of cheating u out of your money? If u can risk ur money in business u should take a chance with people as well in places like thailand. If u r highly suspicious of them why do biz around them. Even with the best provisions in the law u could still be parted from ur money by the judicial system. Look here, been in many businesses and your slant is beyond lame. If you are not suspicious and take the best provisions to insure the investment you have never been in business. I am sure your shareholders would be thrilled with your business model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said: Look here, been in many businesses and your slant is beyond lame. If you are not suspicious and take the best provisions to insure the investment you have never been in business. I am sure your shareholders would be thrilled with your business model Worked for us so far. I know it is risky. Very true. Seen bad days too. This model wont fit everyone. Our shareholders happy with us because we dont ask them are u happy with us :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Master Jairam said: For example, our company in India wants to invest in the US but we are scared of the judicial system over there. In Thailand u might be able a lawyer not so the uS of A. I can assure you the topic we are discussing would have been ironed out 300 years ago in the U.S. and structuring a business to protect seed money would be something 99% of all attorneys would be up to speed on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 By the way am just an employee...shareholders only names they cant write Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Master Jairam said: Worked for us so far. I know it is risky. Very true. Seen bad days too. This model wont fit everyone. Our shareholders happy with us because we dont ask them are u happy with us :) OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, JAZZDOG said: OK We r more backward and worse ignorant now than our forefathers...i was told. I kinda agree. Who has the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said: I can assure you the topic we are discussing would have been ironed out 300 years ago in the U.S. and structuring a business to protect seed money would be something 99% of all attorneys would be up to speed on Dont the word attorney scare u man??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jairam Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 No offence man...do u know of any pub in bkk where they play good jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZZDOG Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Master Jairam said: Dont the word attorney scare u man??? Not honest, educated, successful attorneys' that I know from experience over years of working with them that they have my back. Third World attorneys' scare me to death. Literally need to cull through dozens to find one that is marginally qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTT FITZGERSLD Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 1/11/2018 at 3:17 PM, lubfishin said: If this is the case then it is exactly what I am wanting to do...... well if you have a lot of money to invest in thailand, than you don;t have to work hence no need for work permit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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