Brunolem Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said: It would change if for some reason people were able to live beyond what they have been able to up till now. What are you even asking this second question for? Do you want to die? The point in trying to change our maximum lifespan would be to try to live longer, duh! Wait until you reach 90, then you will see if you really wish to go on for another 20 years... My extended family is full of elderlies (2 over 100, 1 closing on 100 and a whole bunch closing on 90). Guess what...none of them would want another 20 years, not even 5 years. They are not poor, they haven't lost their mind, they just have had enough and have no prospects in life. Even worse, they have started burying members of the following generation (sons, nephews and nieces...) who were not so "lucky"... Edited January 23, 2018 by Brunolem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, MaeJoMTB said: I always prefer to use Socrates as an example as most people are confident he actually existed. Died age 71 in 399 BC, not of old age but executed. I'm 62 now, would be happy to make 65. As far as I can see life after 70 isn't worth living (well I haven't met anyone older that that I envied). We should meet sometime as I am 73 and still have many things I would like to do before I die. Perhaps you may not envy me but I still enjoy life to the best of my ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brunolem said: Wait until you reach 90, then you will see if you really wish to go on for another 20 years... My extended family is full of elderlies (2 over 100, 1 closing on 100 and a whole bunch closing on 90). Guess what...none of them would want another 20 years, not even 5 years. They are not poor, they haven't lost their mind, they just have add enough and have no prospects in life. Even worse, they have started burying members of the following generation (sons, nephews and nieces...) who were not so "lucky"... I am sure there are plenty of people who stop wanting to live, it's not as if there are a shortage of them at any given age, and perhaps everyone has enough in the end, but it is also a fact that there those who seek more, cryogenics, the search for the elixir of life, Highlander, Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Yet you still find the need to ask these childlike questions. Only 1 person has ever reached 120...seems unlikely that good old Moses went that far, so long ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brunolem said: Only 1 person has ever reached 120...seems unlikely that good old Moses went that far, so long ago... Like a child, trying to work out if Moses really existed! What the hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: I am sure there are plenty of people who stop wanting to live, it's not as if there are a shortage of them at any given age, and perhaps everyone has enough in the end, but it is also a fact that there those who seek more, cryogenics, the search for the elixir of life, Highlander, Etc. Yeah, but they are all looking for longer full healthy active lives in ever young bodies. Not another 50 years of Zimmer frames, incontinence pants, sexual dysfunction, diabetes and cancer treatments. Edited January 23, 2018 by MaeJoMTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: I am sure there are plenty of people who stop wanting to live, it's not as if there are a shortage of them at any given age, and perhaps everyone has enough in the end, but it is also a fact that there those who seek more, cryogenics, the search for the elixir of life, Highlander, Etc. The point is: do you personally know anyone who has reached 90 and who is willing to go for 20 more years? And by the way the elixir and Highlander have one thing in common: not eternal life, but rather eternal youth! When I will see professional athletes in their 50s and 60s, maybe I will change my mind. Right now, what we are offered is eternal old age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Like a child, trying to work out if Moses really existed! What the hell? Moses may have existed, or not...impossible to prove either way...but he or anyone else of his generation would have been unlikely to live a very long life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) I think people should be living shorter, but more fulfilled lives. I think a lot of people live a long time, but they do nothing with their lives. I like the old film 'Logan's run'. Seems a good idea to have people 'go' at about 50. If we knew we only had a set time to live, we might not waste to much of our time on smart phone games, social media and sitting in front of the TV watching bad films. Seriously, I think they should legalise euthanasia.. when you have had enough you are allowed to die when you want.. in a nice place, with your family.. without having to go on for years on end in pain and degenerating into a vegetable. PS.. for you poster saying Moses lived a long time.... no he did not.. if he existed (which is unlikely), they people back then where thick as 2 short planks and probably basic counting was not easy for them.... I doubt he had a birth certificate anyway... and most of the things in the bible are made up crazy stories by religious nutters. Edited January 23, 2018 by jak2002003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, billd766 said: We should meet sometime as I am 73 and still have many things I would like to do before I die. Perhaps you may not envy me but I still enjoy life to the best of my ability. At 73, my mother was travelling the world. Now, at 88, she can barely travel the street in front of her home! And she is not disabled or seriously ill...it is just that after 80, each year counts double, then triple, then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jak2002003 said: I think people should be living shorter, but more fulfilled lives. I think a lot of people live a long time, but they do nothing with their lives. How true! First, billions of people live a pretty miserable life, just trying to make ends meet, one day at a time... Then countless others live like robots (metro, boulot, dodo in French = subway, work and sleep)...they never take the time to think...as a matter of fact, they always complain that they don't have time for anything...which does not include watching football on TV or tweeting! I use to think that a giant observer looking at us from above would see something similar to what we see when we look at ants colonies...busy, certainly...intelligent, probably...wise, certainly not... Edited January 23, 2018 by Brunolem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, Brunolem said: The point is: do you personally know anyone who has reached 90 and who is willing to go for 20 more years? And by the way the elixir and Highlander have one thing in common: not eternal life, but rather eternal youth! When I will see professional athletes in their 50s and 60s, maybe I will change my mind. Right now, what we are offered is eternal old age! Yeah sure, Sean Connery was really youthful in Highlander! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 44 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said: Yeah, but they are all looking for longer full healthy active lives in ever young bodies. Not another 50 years of Zimmer frames, incontinence pants, sexual dysfunction, diabetes and cancer treatments. They are actually linked, if our lifespan was longer then we would expect to see our health retained for longer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 It's possible to enjoy old life after 70. My dad lived until 92 and enjoyed fishing and walking with his dog until a few weeks before he passed away. But he did not drink alcohol much and lived more healthy than the barstool people in Pattaya. So its possible . It will be my goal as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, balo said: It's possible to enjoy old life after 70. My dad lived until 92 and enjoyed fishing and walking with his dog until a few weeks before he passed away. But he did not drink alcohol much and lived more healthy than the barstool people in Pattaya. So its possible . It will be my goal as well . And mine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 9 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said: Yeah, but they are all looking for longer full healthy active lives in ever young bodies. Not another 50 years of Zimmer frames, incontinence pants, sexual dysfunction, diabetes and cancer treatments. Just reading that I'm off to blow out my brains........If i can find them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Brunolem said: At 73, my mother was travelling the world. Now, at 88, she can barely travel the street in front of her home! And she is not disabled or seriously ill...it is just that after 80, each year counts double, then triple, then... Shes a wimp, at 90 my Mother is still driving just fine despite the devastation of my Dad dying 3 years ago at 87. Cleans her own house and takes care of herself, skype with her everyday and she e mails me everyday to let me know she's ok. She flew out to Thailand when she was 88 though I did fly her Business Class and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 7:12 PM, amvet said: Always amazed how people with no knowledge of history think others are as ill informed as themselves. The first antiperspirant, which thwarts both sweat-production and bacterial growth, was called Everdry and launched in 1903. When did women start shaving underarms and legs? Do you know? Penicillin has saved between 80 and 200 million lives. And the motor car has probably killed as many! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 10 hours ago, gunderhill said: Shes a wimp, at 90 my Mother is still driving just fine despite the devastation of my Dad dying 3 years ago at 87. Cleans her own house and takes care of herself, skype with her everyday and she e mails me everyday to let me know she's ok. She flew out to Thailand when she was 88 though I did fly her Business Class and rightly so. Sounds pretty impressive, until you realize that what you say fits the description of the daily life of many elderlies...flying in business class not included... Now, if you told me that, twice a week, she goes to the golf club play nine holes, or to the yoga center for a training session...I would be impressed... If you told me that, twice a week, she meets with three friends of her age to play bridge...I would be impressed... If you told me that she is gardening, mowing the grass, pruning the trees...I would be impressed... If you told me that she has enrolled in a university program for elderlies, to study something she has a special interest for...I would be impressed... This all may seem preposterous, but is actually very normal for people up to their late seventies, much less so for people in their eighties or nineties. My point was to say that there is, in a vast majority of cases, a sharp decline once people reach their eighties, even though that doesn't mean they become vegetables, just that they have to slow down considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Brunolem said: Sounds pretty impressive, until you realize that what you say fits the description of the daily life of many elderlies...flying in business class not included... Now, if you told me that, twice a week, she goes to the golf club play nine holes, or to the yoga center for a training session...I would be impressed... If you told me that, twice a week, she meets with three friends of her age to play bridge...I would be impressed... If you told me that she is gardening, mowing the grass, pruning the trees...I would be impressed... If you told me that she has enrolled in a university program for elderlies, to study something she has a special interest for...I would be impressed... This all may seem preposterous, but is actually very normal for people up to their late seventies, much less so for people in their eighties or nineties. My point was to say that there is, in a vast majority of cases, a sharp decline once people reach their eighties, even though that doesn't mean they become vegetables, just that they have to slow down considerably. Ermmmm.....she is gardening almost daily in the spring/summer autumn , goes to the local church every Sunday ( Atheist) for the meeting, conversation and holds a job every Sunday at Llanerchaeron House from 10 -4pm owned by the national trust as a guide, is that ok? she doesnt do golf or the uni, she cant mow the grass as she likes it long ie 4 inches so has a man come to do that, if it was short she'd probably do it. Shes 5 miles from the nearest town and helps out her elderly (79) neighbour getting her shopping and her other neighbour 93 with his, I think theyre having it away ( kidding again) She vacuums herself every 3 days and dusts mainly because she always liked a clean tidy house. She does 25 press ups on one hand every day( nah just kidding) she cheats and uses fingers only same as Bruce lee ( kidding even more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 12:30 PM, Kieran00001 said: Like a child, trying to work out if Moses really existed! What the hell? We can only guess that as you brought him up and claimed he lived to 120 that you believe he existed and that he lived to that age. Most people I know would doubt he lived that long, or that he lived at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 43 minutes ago, seancbk said: We can only guess that as you brought him up and claimed he lived to 120 that you believe he existed and that he lived to that age. Most people I know would doubt he lived that long, or that he lived at all. Its a story, in the story he lives until he is 120. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said: Its a story, in the story he lives until he is 120. It's not a fact therefore it has no bearing on actual human lifespans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kieran00001 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, seancbk said: It's not a fact therefore it has no bearing on actual human lifespans. Wow, thanks for the info, I sure wish I had your brains with me all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: Wow, thanks for the info, I sure wish I had your brains with me all the time. or any at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 1:26 PM, Brunolem said: Certainly, but faster and easier are not everything...what about better? For example, nowadays cars conceived by computer look all the same...boring! Weren't hand designed cars from the 50s and 60s much nicer? More generally, why is it that the same persons who become rich thanks to technology like so much to spend their money on antiquities, on old cars, on shoes and clothes made by hand and so on? Isn't that contradictory, or is it maybe that these same people are fully aware of the low quality of today's products made by machines? Can't even fix a new car yourself, and they are cr*p, designed to be dumped in a few years. Identical except for the badge. At least when one got hit front or rear back in the "old" days, one didn't have to pay large to replace the useless plastic covers. I could even bend them back into shape myself. Oh well, plastic cars for plastic people in a plastic world, yuch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 20 hours ago, gunderhill said: And the motor car has probably killed as many! and modern weapons have killed millions and millions. Too much sugar in processed food is rotting children's teeth and killing people with diabetes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 hours ago, seancbk said: We can only guess that as you brought him up and claimed he lived to 120 that you believe he existed and that he lived to that age. Most people I know would doubt he lived that long, or that he lived at all. Was Jesus really born by a questionable woman called Maria? Evolution doesn't exist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: Evolution doesn't exist... Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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