A Negative blood needed for patient at Bumrungrad Hospital

[Jonathan Fairfield]

A Negative blood needed for patient at Bumrungrad Hospital

 

Retired military veteran, who is having surgery at Bumrungrad and needs type A Negative blood, which is in very short supply in Thailand (actually all RH negative blood is). 

 

Details are as follows:

 

Type needed = A Negative (very rare in Thailand)

 

For patient = Mr. Robert at Bumrungrad Hospital

 

Donate at: Thai Cred Cross Blood Center

 

1871 Terdprakiat Bld., Henry Dunant Rd (near chulalongkhorn)

 

Patumwan, Bangkok 10330

 

Monday, Wednesday and Friday 0800 – 1630 hours

 

Tuesday and Thursday 0730 – 1930 hours

 

Saturday, Sunday and national holidays 0830 – 1530 hours

 

map here https://www.google.co.th/maps/place/National+Blood+Center,+Thai+Red+Cross+Society/@13.7335742,100.5302553,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x30e29f2a587c5d9d:0x78eb731258a608f1!8m2!3d13.733569!4d100.532444

 

Note that donations are accepted from people under age 60, and from people aged 60-70 provided they (the over 60's) have been a blood donor in the past. 

 

More details here https://english.redcross.or.th/node/49

[Ajvat37]

In a healthy, 38 yr old male with A negative blood and I’ve tried to donate at least three times here in Chiang Mai.  I can speak Thai a little but I can’t read or write and I’ve been turned down to donate each time because the staff can’t understand English at all.  If your in such a need of rh negative blood maybe make it easier to donate for farangs 

[Whitson]

O negative (the universal donor) is compatable with A negative also.

[connda]

Note that donations are accepted from people under age 60, and from people aged 60-70 provided they (the over 60's) have been a blood donor in the past. 

Better to die from lack of blood than to accept blood from an old person.  "You haven't donated before?  Go away!"  Amazing. 

[jackdd]

6 hours ago, connda said:

Better to die from lack of blood than to accept blood from an old person.  "You haven't donated before?  Go away!"  Amazing. 

The age limit is there because it's risky for the donor. If you donated regularly while you were younger your body is probably used to regenerating the missing blood and it's ok even when you are older, but if you never donated blood it's probably quite risky as a donor when you are older

[Hayduke]

The Thai Red Cross is largely responsible for this RH negative scarcity. If they would haul themselves into the 21^st century and amend their overly-restrictive age limitations, this shortage might be eased considerably.

 

Those in need of RH negative donations are usually foreigners...as this blood type is very rare in Thai people. It follows that potential donors would likely also be foreigners. However this demographic tends to be older and, with these age restrictions in place, the donor pool becomes very small. But those impacted by this shortage of RH negative blood are generally not Thai...which may partially explain the 'mai phen rai' attitude of the Thai Red Cross. It's simply not a priority.

 

The UK, Australia, the US and most of the modern world all have much more realistic policies on a maximum age for blood donation. By clinging to this age 60 anachronism the Thai Red Cross is unnecessarily putting lives in danger.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2018 by Hayduke

[connda]

16 hours ago, jackdd said:

The age limit is there because it's risky for the donor. If you donated regularly while you were younger your body is probably used to regenerating the missing blood and it's ok even when you are older, but if you never donated blood it's probably quite risky as a donor when you are older

I'm sorry but, show me the hard science supporting that assertion.  Otherwise? I don't believe it.

Edited January 29, 2018 by connda

[jackdd]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm sorry but, show me the hard science supporting that assertion.  Otherwise? I don't believe it.

Your body just regenerates faster when you are younger, that's common knowledge, isn't it?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161117151059.htm

I don't have something specific to the regeneration of missing blood, but i'm quite sure a younger body will also regenerate this faster.

And this age limit for donating blood is not something they have just in Thailand http://www.donateblood.com.au/faq/age

These companies are making money with this, so if they could make money from old people, they would do it

 

[Sheryl]

In Europe (inc UK) the age limit is usually 66, 70 if a previous donor. In Australia, the limit is 71 years for first time donor, 81 for previous donor.

 

In the US there is no upper age restriction, anyone over 17 years and healthy can donate, and plenty of older people do with no appartent ill effects.

 

There is no evidence that I am aware of that supports preventing healthy older people from being blood donors.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8974710

 

 

[milwaukeeboy]

My blood is A Negative

I have seen these urgent requests for A Rh Negative blood at least a dozen times in the past 20 plus years of living in Thailand.

It is always A Negative and never any other type that these appeals have gone out to.   

I have given in the past, but now I'm 61 and dread the day when I might need a transfusion.

[Aussieroaming]

On 28 January 2018 at 3:50 PM, connda said:

Note that donations are accepted from people under age 60, and from people aged 60-70 provided they (the over 60's) have been a blood donor in the past. 

Better to die from lack of blood than to accept blood from an old person.  "You haven't donated before?  Go away!"  Amazing. 

My wife donated blood last week in Bangkok. I also wanted to donate but they rejected me because I haven't been back in the Kingdom for 12 months. Irony being that my wife hasn't been in the kingdom either, but her blood is THAI and therefore acceptable. 

[Keesters]

On 1/27/2018 at 3:18 PM, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Note that donations are accepted from people under age 60, and from people aged 60-70 provided they (the over 60's) have been a blood donor in the past. 

I have A Rh negative but do not fall into your conditions being 65 and never having given blood before. While I'm 65 my blood is probably no more than 8 weeks old and I have no sickness and do not take any medications.

 

Please PM if you change your mind and require my blood.Ask your patient I require his permission not yours.

 

 

[Sheryl]

10 hours ago, Keesters said:

I have A Rh negative but do not fall into your conditions being 65 and never having given blood before. While I'm 65 my blood is probably no more than 8 weeks old and I have no sickness and do not take any medications.
 
Please PM if you change your mind and require my blood.Ask your patient I require his permission not yours.
 
 

Who are you addressing these remarks to?

The regulations around blood donation are set by the Thai National Blood Center which is operated by the Thai Red Cross. Thai Visa has nothing to do with it, we have simply stated what they are so as to avoid someone going to donate only to be turned away.

Unfortunately a patient's decision cannot override National Blood Center policies.

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[Keesters]

On 1/30/2018 at 11:42 AM, Sheryl said:

Who are you addressing these remarks to?

The regulations around blood donation are set by the Thai National Blood Center which is operated by the Thai Red Cross. Thai Visa has nothing to do with it, we have simply stated what they are so as to avoid someone going to donate only to be turned away.

Unfortunately a patient's decision cannot override National Blood Center policies.

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Of course I'm not addressing Thai Visa. I'm addressing the Red Cross and the hospital. Would of thought that was obvious as Thai Visa are not in the business of treating sick patients or in receiving blood donations. A patients decision should override national blood policy. It is for him/her to decide on the risk of taking blood. The National blood center's policy could mean a death sentence for him. He should be able to override that.

 

[Sheryl]

Unfortunately he is not. Neither are his doctors nor hospital officials.

 

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[nonameidentified]

Where is he? I fall in the category. Ironically I’m Asian with this rare blood type. But do they need certain certifications for foreign blood donations??

[Sheryl]

Bumrungrad hospital but donations need to be done at the National Blood Center near Chulslongkhorn. No special certification needed but you need to be under 60 years old.

I am not sure if this specific patient still needs blood, but even if not they will have used up scarce stock of A neg for him and it is in chronically short supply so donation much appreciated.

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[phetpeter]

Bumrungrad  hospital  someone wants your blood, please give freely to RED CROSS! for them? how about how much is it worth, thinking of the bill the  hospital will give the patient for having the blood. So who ever has that rare type...I think for them it should be "How much will you paid me for it?" Remember you will be saving a life but......? if the big bill is paid the big thank you should be given for your 'bitblood'!

[Minnehaha]

On 1/29/2018 at 8:35 AM, Hayduke said:

The Thai Red Cross is largely responsible for this RH negative scarcity. If they would haul themselves into the 21^st century and amend their overly-restrictive age limitations, this shortage might be eased considerably.

 

Those in need of RH negative donations are usually foreigners...as this blood type is very rare in Thai people. It follows that potential donors would likely also be foreigners. However this demographic tends to be older and, with these age restrictions in place, the donor pool becomes very small. But those impacted by this shortage of RH negative blood are generally not Thai...which may partially explain the 'mai phen rai' attitude of the Thai Red Cross. It's simply not a priority.

 

The UK, Australia, the US and most of the modern world all have much more realistic policies on a maximum age for blood donation. By clinging to this age 60 anachronism the Thai Red Cross is unnecessarily putting lives in danger.

 

 

Yes, and no. Lets remember RH- occurs in the Thai population at about 3% of the population. I know because I am B- and have been a super donor for decades and been included in their RH- group of donors they call when there is a person in need. Donated whole blood, plasma, and a few other things I dont know what they were. I gave more than once in 60 days on many occasions. There is a shortage of RH- donors compared to demand and this is primary reason, although your comment is not without some merit and they should allow for donations from more people. But lets also remember that they have laws in place and protocol that they follow to protect blood supply. 

[Suradit69]

On 2/1/2018 at 9:14 AM, Keesters said:

Of course I'm not addressing Thai Visa. I'm addressing the Red Cross and the hospital.

Do you think the Thai Red Cross and the hospital are members of TV and familiar with the idea of sending PMs to other members?

 

On 1/30/2018 at 9:17 AM, Keesters said:

Please PM if you change your mind and require my blood.

 

[Bang Bang]

On 2/1/2018 at 9:14 AM, Keesters said:

A patients decision should override national blood policy.

Balderdash.

 

I've always wanted to use this word but it's difficult to sneak it into a conversation without sounding like you've always wanted to sneak it into a conversation. But here's my chance and ain't letting it go.

[Keesters]

13 hours ago, Suradit69 said:

Do you think the Thai Red Cross and the hospital are members of TV and familiar with the idea of sending PMs to other members?

 

 

I have no idea whether they are or not. But I'm entitled to my say just in case they are.

[Keesters]

9 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

Balderdash.

 

Of course it's not. If it came to a possible life saving choice between no blood or blood from an over 65 then the patient has the right to choose. National blood policy should not be a death sentence.

 

[nonameidentified]

On 2/2/2018 at 3:58 PM, phetpeter said:

Bumrungrad  hospital  someone wants your blood, please give freely to RED CROSS! for them? how about how much is it worth, thinking of the bill the  hospital will give the patient for having the blood. So who ever has that rare type...I think for them it should be "How much will you paid me for it?" Remember you will be saving a life but......? if the big bill is paid the big thank you should be given for your 'bitblood'!

It’s weird to put this. True that you’ll end up with a hefty bill and yet the blood are donated.

Edited February 4, 2018 by nonameidentified
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