SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[riclag]

"but bluster and aggression seems to be his only answer".

Is that happening in the NK summit,aggression ? Seems to be a little bit of confusion  here. The summit is a  act of  peaceful diplomacy. 

[Slip]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

"Even the New York Times, no friend to President Trump, has described the “wave of optimism” sweeping over Americans business leaders, saying it is “beginning to translate into the sort of investment in new plants, equipment and factory upgrades that bolsters economic growth, spurs job creation — and may finally raise wages significantly.” 

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy

I find it odd that the fox news reporter who wrote the blatantly biased opinion-piece in the hill quotes that, seeing as it was written 6 months ago.  It seems rather dishonest reporting to me.

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, Slip said:

I find it odd that the fox news reporter who wrote the blatantly biased opinion-piece in the hill quotes that, seeing as it was written 6 months ago.  It seems rather dishonest reporting to me.

dishonesty is a talent Trump excels at, he admires it in others.

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, riclag said:

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy

You need to learn the difference between an opinion piece and a news story.  You also need to read your own sources:

 

"The Wall Street Journal asked 68 business, financial and academic economists who was responsible for the strengthening of the economy, and most “suggested Mr. Trump’s election deserves at least some credit” for the upturn."

 

That's a pretty small survey (lazy journalism on the part of The Wall Street Journal) with no mention of how many of the small number surveyed were economists.  Also, "suggested Mr. Trump's election deserves at least some credit" is pretty faint praise.

 

No doubt Trump's trillion dollar deficits will provide some economic stimulus, deficits of that size generally do.  However deficits of that size should be used only to rescue a struggling economy, not to boost the already sound economy Trump inherited from Obama. 

Edited June 7, 2018 by heybruce

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Yes the post was wrong in saying the US doesn't help the poor with health care. But it could do a lot more to help the people it already does and even more for people just a little higher up on the economic ladder. Something to which Republicans are mostly opposed.

 

9 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

No question. The US could adopt single payer but no president of any party has suggested it, let alone fought for it.

I think a better statement would be that the US government doesn't help anyone enough with their healthcare.  That is why there is widespread agreement that medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US.

 

http://fortune.com/video/2016/11/02/leading-cause-personal-bankruptcy/https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0310/top-5-reasons-people-go-bankrupt.aspx

https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/simple-thrifty-living/top-10-reasons-people-go-_b_6887642.html

[riclag]

6 hours ago, Slip said:

I find it odd that the fox news reporter who wrote the blatantly biased opinion-piece in the hill quotes that, seeing as it was written 6 months ago.  It seems rather dishonest reporting to me.

 

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

dishonesty is a talent Trump excels at, he admires it in others.

I never quote a Fox source,it would be a tool for your narrative and diminish my  talking points. However I'm very much aware what ever I post that sides with a good economy or in favor of PT,it will be considered rubbish by the hateful deranged left.

Maybe newcomers to the thread can see some good in the economy from my posts.

The economy got 3 more years of life from Trump tax cuts: Wall Street veteran Howard Lutnick

• The economic "pop" from President Donald Trump's corporate tax cuts should head off any recession in the next few years, says Howard Lutnick.
• He believes the Trump administration's target of 3 percent economic growth is "absolutely in the cards as a reasonable outcome."
• https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/economy-got-3-more-years-of-life-from-trump-tax-cuts-howard-lutnick.html

 

Edited June 7, 2018 by riclag

[lannarebirth]

58 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

I think a better statement would be that the US government doesn't help anyone enough with their healthcare.  That is why there is widespread agreement that medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US.

 

http://fortune.com/video/2016/11/02/leading-cause-personal-bankruptcy/https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0310/top-5-reasons-people-go-bankrupt.aspx

https://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/simple-thrifty-living/top-10-reasons-people-go-_b_6887642.html

 

I think a better statement would be it helps "just enough" of the people that the majority of the people don't demand healthcare. The poor are being served. The elderly are being served. Veterans are being served. None of them are going to go out of their way to ensure that the rest of the people are. If you had a referendum tomorrow "healthcare for everyone or healthcare for no one", I'm quite certain everyone would have healthcare. It is the parsing up of the right/benefit and the nature of democracy that prevents it from being established.

[Opl]

12 hours ago, riclag said:

And the deranged left say PT is a disgrace and unfit and he doesn't belong in the WH. Keep it up PT !

There now are more job openings in the U.S. than unemployed workers to fill them

"Early in the recovery from the Great Recession in 2009, there were more than six unemployed workers for every job opening. That ratio has been narrowing ever since. In April, there was fewer than one unemployed worker for every opening".

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-job-openings-workers-20180605-story.html

 

 

TRUMP : 

"President Donald Trump’s tariff on imported solar panels has led U.S. renewable energy companies to cancel or freeze investments of more than $2.5 billion in large installation projects, along with thousands of jobs, the developers told Reuters. That’s more than double the about $1 billion in new spending plans announced by firms building or expanding U.S. solar panel factories to take advantage of the tax on imports."

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/07/billions-in-solar-projects-and-thousands-of-jobs-shelved-after-trump-tariff.html

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 

I never quote a Fox source,it would be a tool for your narrative and diminish my  talking points. However I'm very much aware what ever I post that sides with a good economy or in favor of PT,it will be considered rubbish by the hateful deranged left.

Maybe newcomers to the thread can see some good in the economy from my posts.

The economy got 3 more years of life from Trump tax cuts: Wall Street veteran Howard Lutnick

• The economic "pop" from President Donald Trump's corporate tax cuts should head off any recession in the next few years, says Howard Lutnick.
• He believes the Trump administration's target of 3 percent economic growth is "absolutely in the cards as a reasonable outcome."
• https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/economy-got-3-more-years-of-life-from-trump-tax-cuts-howard-lutnick.html

 

Funny thing about that promised growth rate of 3%:

 

"U.S. GDP growth will rise to 2.7 percent in 2018, 2.4 percent in 2019, and 2 percent in 2020. That's according to the most recent forecast released at the Federal Open Market Committee meeting on March 20, 2018.  This estimate takes into account Trump's economic policies."   https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669

 

The first quarter results support this:   https://apnews.com/ff1443c40f644b80b12c9d0e8d46d81f

 

So the economy is chugging along pretty much as it did under Obama:   https://bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_glance.htm

 

The big difference being that Obama's economic growth came with a declining deficit, while Trump's comes with a significant increase in deficit spending.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

 

 

TRUMP : 

"President Donald Trump’s tariff on imported solar panels has led U.S. renewable energy companies to cancel or freeze investments of more than $2.5 billion in large installation projects, along with thousands of jobs, the developers told Reuters. That’s more than double the about $1 billion in new spending plans announced by firms building or expanding U.S. solar panel factories to take advantage of the tax on imports."

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/07/billions-in-solar-projects-and-thousands-of-jobs-shelved-after-trump-tariff.html

 

Trump’s tariff has boosted the domestic manufacturing sector "as intended", which over time could significantly raise U.S. panel production and reduce prices.

From the same source

[riclag]

54 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Funny thing about that promised growth rate of 3%:

 

"U.S. GDP growth will rise to 2.7 percent in 2018, 2.4 percent in 2019, and 2 percent in 2020. That's according to the most recent forecast released at the Federal Open Market Committee meeting on March 20, 2018.  This estimate takes into account Trump's economic policies."   https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669

 

The first quarter results support this:   https://apnews.com/ff1443c40f644b80b12c9d0e8d46d81f

 

So the economy is chugging along pretty much as it did under Obama:   https://bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_glance.htm

 

The big difference being that Obama's economic growth came with a declining deficit, while Trump's comes with a significant increase in deficit spending.

but but Obama>He ran out of terms,2 and done!

Edited June 7, 2018 by riclag

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

but but Obama

Simply pointing out that things are not better under Trump, in many ways they are getting worse.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I think a better statement would be it helps "just enough" of the people that the majority of the people don't demand healthcare. The poor are being served. The elderly are being served. Veterans are being served. None of them are going to go out of their way to ensure that the rest of the people are. If you had a referendum tomorrow "healthcare for everyone or healthcare for no one", I'm quite certain everyone would have healthcare. It is the parsing up of the right/benefit and the nature of democracy that prevents it from being established.

I saved close to $800 per year .With the mandate of Obamacare, I was forced by the government to pay a annual penalty if I didn't meet the minimum government requirement  of coverage.

Edited June 7, 2018 by riclag

[riclag]

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Simply pointing out that things are not better under Trump, in many ways they are getting worse.

I don't look at it that way.3.8 % unemployment under PT watch is not worse .

[heybruce]

18 minutes ago, riclag said:

I don't look at it that way.3.8 % unemployment under PT watch is not worse .

No, the decline in unemployment that was established under Obama has, so far, continued under Trump.  The declines in deficit spending and overall global leadership under Obama has been reversed, big-time, under Trump.

[riclag]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, the decline in unemployment that was established under Obama has, so far, continued under Trump.  The declines in deficit spending and overall global leadership under Obama has been reversed, big-time, under Trump.

Under PT watch the unemployment decline initiated by the  previous admin .has reached decade lows. So how could that be destructive! PT agenda is  about growing the American economy and America first. Globally who cares what other countries think of America taking care of its own.

[Marc K]

On 1/27/2018 at 11:46 PM, TunnelRat69 said:

Let him finish this term, re-elect him for the second, elect Pence after that - 12 years of Republican  rule is exactly what America needs - to hell with the rest of the world.

 

TunnelRat69: Sorry? Your tagline says "living the dream in Thailand, Vietnam and Hawaii"? And you say "to hell with the rest of the world"?? Isn't that just a tad bit hypocritical of you?

[heybruce]

47 minutes ago, riclag said:

Under PT watch the unemployment decline initiated by the  previous admin .has reached decade lows. So how could that be destructive! PT agenda is  about growing the American economy and America first. Globally who cares what other countries think of America taking care of its own.

In other words, you think Trump is great because he hasn't yet derailed the economic growth established during Obama's Presidency. 

 

The fact that he can't deliver on the growth promised, he's running the deficit to unsustainable levels, he's initiating a trade war that will be bad for the US economy and ruinous for large segments of his base, and he's going into a nuclear negotiation without bothering to learn what he will be negotiating about doesn't bother you.

[MyFriend You]

4 hours ago, Marc K said:

 

TunnelRat69: Sorry? Your tagline says "living the dream in Thailand, Vietnam and Hawaii"? And you say "to hell with the rest of the world"?? Isn't that just a tad bit hypocritical of you?

Not at all, maybe I should have added "To hell with the rest of the world's opinion"  I still have ties, and investments, in the USA, stocks have jumped by leaps and bounds since he has been in office.........well, maybe not the International Stocks, I rest my case.

[Slip]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

 

I never quote a Fox source,it would be a tool for your narrative and diminish my  talking points. However I'm very much aware what ever I post that sides with a good economy or in favor of PT,it will be considered rubbish by the hateful deranged left.

Maybe newcomers to the thread can see some good in the economy from my posts.

The economy got 3 more years of life from Trump tax cuts: Wall Street veteran Howard Lutnick

• The economic "pop" from President Donald Trump's corporate tax cuts should head off any recession in the next few years, says Howard Lutnick.
• He believes the Trump administration's target of 3 percent economic growth is "absolutely in the cards as a reasonable outcome."
• https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/economy-got-3-more-years-of-life-from-trump-tax-cuts-howard-lutnick.html

 

I wasn't making an accusation against you dear Riclag: It was just that a couple of the choice quotes in the article such as:

 

"Democrats have done an excellent job of trashing Trump’s policies, issuing hysterical alarms over the supposed dangers of deregulation (toxic water, foul air!) and vilifying the GOP tax bill."

 

and "Democrats are terrified that the tax cuts will be a pleasant surprise to those who believed House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) when she called the bill Armageddon" 

 

got me to wondering 'who on earth is this writing for The Hill?' so I checked- I was wrong to say Fox reporter- I should have said Fox columnist.

 

[riclag]

5 minutes ago, lust said:

Trump’s not going anywhere. This should be closed. Start a new one with the title, “should trump run for a 3rd term?”. 

Sorry, The USA has 2 and out.

[lust]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

Sorry, The USA has 2 and out.

Lol, uhhh yeah. That’s kind of my point.

[soalbundy]

being a disgusting person isn't a ground for impeachment unfortunately.

[riclag]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

In other words, you think Trump is great because he hasn't yet derailed the economic growth established during Obama's Presidency. 

 

The fact that he can't deliver on the growth promised, he's running the deficit to unsustainable levels, he's initiating a trade war that will be bad for the US economy and ruinous for large segments of his base, and he's going into a nuclear negotiation without bothering to learn what he will be negotiating about doesn't bother you.

Nope, it doesn't bother me., America First. There is no one with bigger ba((s then Mr. Trump.He's got some good advisers to help with decisions , Larry K,Mike P., Mad Dog Mattis and John B.

So far so good,unless of course you were quite content with the last 20 years.What a mess he inherited. Definitively need 2 terms

[heybruce]

34 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said:

Not at all, maybe I should have added "To hell with the rest of the world's opinion"  I still have ties, and investments, in the USA, stocks have jumped by leaps and bounds since he has been in office.........well, maybe not the International Stocks, I rest my case.

The DJIA was at 8241 the month Obama was sworn in as President, it was at 21415 the month he left office. http://www.macrotrends.net/1319/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart

 

If your stocks didn't go up during this time you're a lousy investor.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Nope, it doesn't bother me., America First. There is no one with bigger ba((s then Mr. Trump.He's got some good advisers to help with decisions , Larry K,Mike P., Mad Dog Mattis and John B.

So far so good,unless of course you were quite content with the last 20 years.What a mess he inherited. Definitively need 2 terms

Posting "America First" and stating you don't care about Trump undermining the economic future of the US and negotiating nuclear weapons in ignorance does not present your intelligence in a favorable manner.

[soalbundy]

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Posting "America First" and stating you don't care about Trump undermining the economic future of the US and negotiating nuclear weapons in ignorance does not present your intelligence in a favorable manner.

Of course not, a true red neck Trump supporter.

[Opl]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

Trump’s tariff has boosted the domestic manufacturing sector "as intended", which over time could significantly raise U.S. panel production and reduce prices.

From the same source

 

remind us where Tump family members get their products manufactured  " as not intended" 

[riclag]

23 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

remind us where Tump family members get their products manufactured  " as not intended" 

We were talking about panels and tariffs.And how the tariffs has boosted mfg.So now you want to go into the Trump business.Going off topic,no thanks

Trump’s tariff has boosted the domestic manufacturing sector "as intended", which over time could significantly raise U.S. panel production and reduce prices.

From the same source

[FritsSikkink]

7 hours ago, riclag said:

PT agenda is  about growing the American economy and America first. 

Only if you are a straight white American, you can even be a pedophile or a woman molester, he doesn't have issue with that (like a lot of his followers)

Edited June 8, 2018 by FritsSikkink